"Inverse Generator" made in Singapore
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The problem I have with this so called TS is that his integrity is not holding up well when he chose to edit the comments on his youtube page by only including those which are either in favour of his contraption or the ones which are not critical of it's flaws.
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Wah a replacement for the "Hamster" and its spinning wheel to Charge my handphone !!
There's this expensive solar-panel that can store some battery power to charge the handphone.
Interesting how much energy can be output and stored efficiently. We all need to explore alternative energy. Some of us can look into how to store the electricity and tap it.
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If you are referring to electromagnetic, the main setback between EM and electrostatic is that EM is heavily dependent on speed. For my case, it is capturing normal vibrations that a human makes, and the speed may be of a very low amplitude. Electrostatic generator works by maximum displacement of the capacitor plates, or you could also view it as change in capacitance. The speed of motion is not involved at allOriginally posted by crosshairs:Wouldn't that be easier done using an induction device? I mean, according to your desciption, you will have to somehow maintain the opposing charges on the plates, which could possibly include another set or sets of capacitors for the purpose of effective collection and storage of the useful energy generated. -
In the eyes of physics, you could see work is being done on the capacitor when the plates are being moved apart against their electrostatic attraction, and thus energy is input into the system.Originally posted by crosshairs:But wouldn't varying the distance of the plate amount to changing of potential difference only? How is work done achieved?
With regards to formula, you could also see that E = 0.5 Q^2 /C. Hence a change in displacement affects the Capacitance (C) which will in turn affect the energy (E) stored in the capacitor.
A separate circuit is then used to charge or decharge the capacitor during the cycle appropriately, and then to store the captured energy.
With regards to the way electrostatic generators work, there are charge constrained and voltage constrained. But to go into details will require graphs and a rather long explanation -
I see your point about work done on the capacitors. If I am not wrong, your proposed method involves heavily charging one plate with either positive or negative charge, while maintaining the other plate connected to a grounding or neutral source, with a storage unit as an intermediate between the neutral plate and the grounding. With the variation in displacement generating an alternating current and using a rectifying circuit to convert the current into a D.C. and channelling it into the storage unit, in this case a separate capacitor. Your setup should require a conducting material of very high electron density (free electrons) to maximise the effectiveness (not efficiency) of your generator.Originally posted by eagle:In the eyes of physics, you could see work is being done on the capacitor when the plates are being moved apart against their electrostatic attraction, and thus energy is input into the system.
With regards to formula, you could also see that E = 0.5 Q^2 /C. Hence a change in displacement affects the Capacitance (C) which will in turn affect the energy (E) stored in the capacitor.
A separate circuit is then used to charge or decharge the capacitor during the cycle appropriately, and then to store the captured energy.
With regards to the way electrostatic generators work, there are charge constrained and voltage constrained. But to go into details will require graphs and a rather long explanation
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The current generated will be a DC, not an AC. Hence there is no need for a rectifying circuit. In addition, my FYP is on a device 6mm by 6mm, so only silicon could be used.Originally posted by crosshairs:I see your point about work done on the capacitors. If I am not wrong, your proposed method involves heavily charging one plate with either positive or negative charge, while maintaining the other plate connected to a grounding or neutral source, with a storage unit as an intermediate between the neutral plate and the grounding. With the variation in displacement generating an alternating current and using a rectifying circuit to convert the current into a D.C. and channelling it into the storage unit, in this case a separate capacitor. Your setup should require a conducting material of very high electron density (free electrons) to maximise the effectiveness (not efficiency) of your generator.
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it can be AC. Ts wanna include a three phase generator or one phrase. thus, there is a need for a transformer rectifier.Originally posted by eagle:The current generated will be a DC, not an AC. Hence there is no need for a rectifying circuit. In addition, my FYP is on a device 6mm by 6mm, so only silicon could be used.Originally posted by Simontay78:Dynamo require you to turn it totally converting your hand energy into kinetic energy, using it to induce electricity using lens law to the coil in the dynamo.
Mine currently uses a push and release movement of my hand and added magnetic repulsion of the magnet to the wheel, gravity to pull the wheel down and stored inertia force to make it rotate fully. The total energy spent is cut by these added forces compared to simply using your hand to turn the dynamo.
I haven't add the single phase coil connection or 3 phase coil connection yet as it's Not completed...as I mentioned in the first post. -
crosshairs was talking about my projectOriginally posted by manyu882:it can be AC. Ts wanna include a three phase generator or one phrase. thus, there is a need for a transformer rectifier.
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Some question to TS.
1. a magnetic strip is place on the circumference of the wheel
2. a magnet will be place near the strip. thus, repulsion ccurs and pushes the strip upwards. (note that the force acting on the bar is vertical force. and the bar is on the fixed end vertically.)
3. when the stip has moved away from the megnetic bar, the bar will be removed
4. when the strip finishes a cycle( just above the level of the bar), the magnetic bar will be reintroduce to the wheel.. and this goes on and on and on and on and on...
my question is: Is the energy required to move the magnet is lesser than the moving wheel? if so, why? -
Thanks Eagle, I am not good with words in explaining stuff....Originally posted by eagle:I don't think TS is implying a breakthrough, but rather, describing a project by himself.
Truly, there are quite a few flaws in the concepts of physics described in this thread. However, TS is just trying another way to turn a generator. It is his interest, his money and his time, so let him try it. Who knows whether it is just because he's not good at explaining?
Regarding clean energy, my FYP would be on using electrostatic generators
It is done by changing the plate distance of a capacitor through external vibrational source (when u walking or on a train). You could wish me luck on that
Now in the process of using a solar powered linear actuator to push the big magnet near the wheel.
The innovative design of the wheel is in the very precise locations of many small permanent magnets that simulate the "wind pushing" effects by the repulsion of the magnetic flux possible.
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wait...I am confused, are you referring to me when you say "TS"? If yes then I will answer the questionsOriginally posted by manyu882:Some question to TS.
1. a magnetic strip is place on the circumference of the wheel
2. a magnet will be place near the strip. thus, repulsion ccurs and pushes the strip upwards. (note that the force acting on the bar is vertical force. and the bar is on the fixed end vertically.)
3. when the stip has moved away from the megnetic bar, the bar will be removed
4. when the strip finishes a cycle( just above the level of the bar), the magnetic bar will be reintroduce to the wheel.. and this goes on and on and on and on and on...
my question is: Is the energy required to move the magnet is lesser than the moving wheel? if so, why?
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TS refers to threadstarter
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I'm quite a layman to physics... but I think I have more confidence in the Joint European Torus experiment. Although it is nuclear, its much cleaner than fission reaction and nuclear power will always be cheaper in the long run. Plus it can support many many households.
Don't worry about the nuclear waste products. Global warming melting the polar ice cap will drown us first before nuclear poisoning gets to us.
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You mean the Toshiba Mini-Nuclear (Nuke) Power Supply?Originally posted by oldkid:I'm quite a layman to physics... but I think I have more confidence in the Joint European Torus experiment. Although it is nuclear, its much cleaner than fission reaction and nuclear power will always be cheaper in the long run. Plus it can support many many households.
Don't worry about the nuclear waste products. Global warming melting the polar ice cap will drown us first before nuclear poisoning gets to us.
That is going to be placed like right beside your house...? I don't know but in any event of unforeseen situation...it's an irony.
I don't need to explain...let's not go deep into why/how/should/would/can/can't haha let those who risk it use it....it's either this or that...simple programmable logic.
If not Oil/Gas/Coal/Fossil Fuels then use Ethanol/Palm Oil/Hydrogen...but those simple minded profiteering farmers forget about food prices then they switch to nuclear...but again...
What else can they think of?
Global warming is natural with multiple ice age and warm age in the past even before human industrial age. It's the solar flares and earth rotation in our galaxy changing the climate, the magnetic field that protect us from solar radiation is switching polarity and hence reducing in strength. The sun will be the strongest with the magnetic pole switch at 2012.
Yes, very controversial and soon we shall see sudden climate changes that probably flood the world and goes back to ice age gradually. This is not my theory but research deeper you shall see we humans are just part of nature, even without humans the forest will breath out CO2 at night by photosynthesis.
The warming might not be just CO2 as green house gases includes many other gases including Water Vapor (95%)....Water is given out when Hydrogen is burned and combined with Oxygen .... (which totally eliminate Hydrogen as fuel...it's a carrier of energy not source as it needs electrolysis to create hydrogen from water)
Ok, enough ranting about this global warming conspiracy with soon to be Kyoto Protocol and additional Global Warming TAX into your every single piece of life...including plastic bags, cars, house, manufacturing and every single components that uses FOSSIL Fuels...including crops that uses oil as pesticides and machinery to plough, seed, harvest and transport to your location.
THIS CARBON TAX is going to be MORE worst then GST increase as it's On Top Of it...plus plus plus....traded world wide by rich businesses claiming to be eco-friendly.
Unless you own businesses that control your income....get ready for the hike of food cost, electricity cost, transportation cost and property cost including rental...there are NO solution unless you solve the problem of fossil fuel addiction by alternative energies.
Nuclear might be temporary solution but ....not in my own back yard...or maybe the terrorist will plea desperately to place one nuke into their back yard...just for the sake of salvaging them for bomb making....to rule the world with fear.
I guess it's time to concentrate on R&D for renewable energy and sustainable development for the whole Singapore. Do your own preparation for next year hike after NTUC remove the discount after Chinese New Year...and Oil prices to reach $100 per barrel.
Just see what can be done...for you and your family...don't get caught in the credit debts...hope you had not get yourself into a big loan...with high interest.
Debts = Slavery.
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Ans:Originally posted by manyu882:Some question to TS.
1. a magnetic strip is place on the circumference of the wheel
2. a magnet will be place near the strip. thus, repulsion ccurs and pushes the strip upwards. (note that the force acting on the bar is vertical force. and the bar is on the fixed end vertically.)
3. when the stip has moved away from the megnetic bar, the bar will be removed
4. when the strip finishes a cycle( just above the level of the bar), the magnetic bar will be reintroduce to the wheel.. and this goes on and on and on and on and on...
my question is: Is the energy required to move the magnet is lesser than the moving wheel? if so, why?
1. A magnetic strip is not place directly on the circumference of the wheel....it's a precise placement of magnets in currently secret positions on the wheel.
2. I don't need to explain it totally yet...this I will teach you face to face once it's completed.
3. Bar is removed so that the same repulsion don't go against the movement of the wheel...
4. Yes, you are right on this part.
Ans: The energy to move the big magnet can be automated by another simple motor linear actuator powered by solar. Obviously the movement of the big magnet does not need to travel large distance and forces of resistance can be reduced by other means...that I will demonstrate later in future video or face to face teaching. -
How can you people not see the redundancy!!??
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Efficiency, I cannot see.Originally posted by crosshairs:How can you people not see the redundancy!!??
Redundancy, maybe not if it can be implemented in a smaller version. I have some ideas after looking at it in which it can be implemented in other ways... But how effective it will be, I'm not very sure.
Anyway treat it as a hobby by TS ok? Every hobby is the same mah: you are doing something that many people has done before, and you are doing something which could be considered redundant. It is the self-fulfillment that matters -
I have to agree with eagle on that one.Originally posted by eagle:Efficiency, I cannot see.
Redundancy, maybe not if it can be implemented in a smaller version. I have some ideas after looking at it in which it can be implemented in other ways... But how effective it will be, I'm not very sure.
Anyway treat it as a hobby by TS ok? Every hobby is the same mah: you are doing something that many people has done before, and you are doing something which could be considered redundant. It is the self-fulfillment that matters -
I have no comments other then read my blog from beginning to end.....not my little wheel page...but the whole blog.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:I have to agree with eagle on that one.
It's been too long and people generally says it's business as usual and nothing will affect them.
Nothing to see here...carry on! -
wont be the energy required to move the bar in has the equal or more amount of net energy of the turning wheel at the point of cycle?
do you need more effort to introduce the magnet or withdrawing the magnet?
if u experience during introducing, which direction of force experience the most force.vertical or horizontal force? -
People! Stop egging him on! This is like watching William Hung all over again. Stop deceiving the guy!
If it is still not clear to you guys then let me explain it again! TS mentioned that the automated movement of the magnet can be achieved by using some form of solar powered device, through the use of his setup to turn a generator or do some form of work.
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Thanks Eagle, I am not good with words in explaining stuff....
Now in the process of using a solar powered linear actuator to push the big magnet near the wheel.
The innovative design of the wheel is in the very precise locations of many small permanent magnets that simulate the "wind pushing" effects by the repulsion of the magnetic flux possible.
Wait...is TS referring to me?
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I'm not saying it will not work, what I am trying to point out is the redundancy of the system. If you are going to tap solar energy to push this contraption, why not just simply store the solar energy?! Why make it go through another process unnecessarily?
Which part of what I am saying does not make sense to which ones of you who are egging him on? -
To crosshairs,Originally posted by crosshairs:People! Stop egging him on! This is like watching William Hung all over again. Stop deceiving the guy!
If it is still not clear to you guys then let me explain it again! TS mentioned that the automated movement of the magnet can be achieved by using some form of solar powered device, through the use of his setup to turn a generator or do some form of work.
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Thanks Eagle, I am not good with words in explaining stuff....
Now in the process of using a solar powered linear actuator to push the big magnet near the wheel.
The innovative design of the wheel is in the very precise locations of many small permanent magnets that simulate the "wind pushing" effects by the repulsion of the magnetic flux possible.
Wait...is TS referring to me?
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I'm not saying it will not work, what I am trying to point out is the redundancy of the system. If you are going to tap solar energy to push this contraption, why not just simply store the solar energy?! Why make it go through another process unnecessarily?
Which part of what I am saying does not make sense to which ones of you who are egging him on?
I am not sure who you working with or what you are trying to do but one thing for sure, nothing going to stop me doing this project. This is life and death for some people especially those who going to pay high cost of utilities but can't afford to cut the electricity consumption.
I hope you do not belong to those oil companies that try to discourage innovation and creativity. Thanks for your criticism I felt terrible even to release this in public without even asking for much...I think your flames should be reserve to those scammers who scam money off old folks and criminals I blogged in http://sgcomplain.blogspot.com/
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Dear all,
I will quit this stupid discussion as most don't really like it and this will be my final post to this God forsaken debate.
My Last word: this project is not completed yet and the wheel design won't be finalized as invention will go through many troubleshooting and redesign with the final goal in mind...much efficient generator.
Many people don't appreciate my post at all and I hope those who does contact me personally instead of posting here...
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Solar energy (Light) is converted into electricity to oscillate a piece of bar magnet in response to the motion of the wheel.
Kinetic energy is imparted into the wheel system through magnetic force between the the magnetic strip and teh oscillating magnet.
The kinetic energy of the wheel gained through the process is converted back into electrical energy again. Some energy is wasted due to friction -> Converted into Internal Energy (Heat) -> warms the Earth. -
Wow. My friend, you can change the world