What if there really is no "You"
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Cogito ergo sum. I think therefore I am. This may lead to a sollipsistic view of life whereby I think I'm the only person who truly exists but that cannot be so as I recognise the human being that you are, or purport to be in any case. You have hold this view yourself but if you think that you do not exist doesn't that make the point of existence absurd?
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Think it depends solely on the mind and also on the people who u 'can' interact with. They are actually the ones who 'approve' of our existence.
Family members or friends, even the girl sitting at the far corner of your office/classroom whom you have been admiring for quite sometime, If they don't acknowledge 'you' in the 1st place, don't even bother about 'you' at all then where is the sense of belonging? then are you an existence then? Only strong mind through will make you an existence that exist, weak mind being will make you feel lost, worthless and needless.
Take for instance even this thread, if no one had reply to you then is this thread an existence?
I believe there is a vast difference in the 'physically existing' and 'mentally existing'. U have to make your point more clearer so people can comprehend on that.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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... so all the philosophers down the ages that have debated this topic are whining?Originally posted by caleb_chiang:you may want FI to ban you so you will realise the exist of self in at least this forum...
Quit whinning...
I think it is more likely that you are a simpleton than they are whining. 
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... and you are where you are?Originally posted by mhcampboy:I Am Who I Am -
Bloody hell, you created the same sort of thread before already
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... how is the mind "more superior to the body" ?Originally posted by Deino:i think the mind is more superior to the body......i dun think the mind can perish like the body becoz the mind is not of matter.....
some people dun believe in spirits becoz they say there is no prove....
but can they disprove it themselves?
... and so where are all the minds of those whose body had perished?
... and can you prove that Santa Claus does not exist? -
... and where does the spirit reside? What does the spirit do? What is the spirit for? Where is the evidence of this so called spirit?Originally posted by Deino:our body reflects wot our spirit does or wants to do.....
we are like puppet masters...the only difference is that we are one with the puppet at the same time..... -
overall summary.Originally posted by Daisuke-kun:fuck lar.
now ur confusing me.
Self delusion. -
Not really, that, which you think is holding on to this view is not you but the interactions of trillions of neurons communicating at great speed... and there is evidence of that... you can pick up a neuron, and examine it under an electroscope. You can do experiments to measure the speed that the neurons communicate with each other.Originally posted by Demonight:Cogito ergo sum. I think therefore I am. This may lead to a sollipsistic view of life whereby I think I'm the only person who truly exists but that cannot be so as I recognise the human being that you are, or purport to be in any case. You have hold this view yourself but if you think that you do not exist doesn't that make the point of existence absurd?
Once the communication stops, the "you" that "you" think exist disappears... so do the neurons exists or "you" exist? -
Descartes felt that the soul was corporeal and was located in the brain but he was also a pyjamas wearing di_ck who stayed in bed all day while the world turned. It's harder to argue Sartre's existentialism and Foucault's master/slave dynamic
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You're delving into the realm of substance dualism (and functionalism) without knowing what it means. What are you implying is that there are only certain ways in which we may act but your argument falls apart when it comes to a person who acts out of character or commits an entirely selfless actOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:Not really, that, which you think is holding on to this view is not you but the interactions of trillions of neurons communicating at great speed... and there is evidence of that... you can pick up a neuron, and examine it under an electroscope. You can do experiments to measure the speed that the neurons communicate with each other.
Once the communication stops, the "you" that "you" think exist disappears... so do the neurons exists or "you" exist? -
I am talking about fundamental existence... whether or not people exist fundamentally, that there is a "you" that exists and not a "relational" you and not a components you...Originally posted by kitkat_:Think it depends solely on the mind and also on the people who u 'can' interact with. They are actually the ones who 'approve' of our existence.
Family members or friends, even the girl sitting at the far corner of your office/classroom whom you have been admiring for quite sometime, If they don't acknowledge 'you' in the 1st place, don't even bother about 'you' at all then where is the sense of belonging? then are you an existence then? Only strong mind through will make you an existence that exist, weak mind being will make you feel lost, worthless and needless.
Take for instance even this thread, if no one had reply to you then is this thread an existence?
I believe there is a vast difference in the 'physically existing' and 'mentally existing'. U have to make your point more clearer so people can comprehend on that.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Are you saying that a human is like this thread... if no one acknowledges its existence, then it does not exist? -
... and people have been debating this of years and are still debating this... long after you are dead an gone, people will still be debating this and no is is going to say... "Bloody hell... people have talked about this before..."Originally posted by allentyb_v2.01:Bloody hell, you created the same sort of thread before already -
lol...our spirit is not of this world.....in other words its not of matter.......Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:... and where does the spirit reside? What does the spirit do? What is the spirit for? Where is the evidence of this so called spirit?
many people have experienced out of body experience......
you dun need to know where your spirit resides coz it doesn't matter....its wot you do that matters.......
the spirit is a software and the body is a hardware....simple as that.....the software is used to control the hardware -
There is no ultimate answer when it comes to the existence of self and soul.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:... and people have been debating this of years and are still debating this... long after you are dead an gone, people will still be debating this and no is is going to say... "Bloody hell... people have talked about this before..." -
.. how we may act would depend on how our neurons process the "memories" and any new data that comes in.... there is no reason to suggest that people only acts in certain ways...Originally posted by Demonight:You're delving into the realm of substance dualism (and functionalism) without knowing what it means. What are you implying is that there are only certain ways in which we may act but your argument falls apart when it comes to a person who acts out of character or commits an entirely selfless act
... people act according to the existing data in their neurons, the new data, and the thought process cycles... -
An 'out of body experience' could also be due to the subconscious intentions of wanting to see yourself 'from the outside'Originally posted by Deino:lol...our spirit is not of this world.....in other words its not of matter.......
many people have experienced out of body experience......
you dun need to know where your spirit resides coz it doesn't matter....its wot you do that matters.......
the spirit is a software and the body is a hardware....simple as that.....the software is used to control the hardware -
Yes but that is what you imply by talking about neurons and such. And you contradict yourself with that last lineOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:.. how we may act would depend on how our neurons process the "memories" and any new data that comes in.... there is no reason to suggest that people only acts in certain ways...
... people act according to the existing data in their neurons, the new data, and the thought process cycles... -
.. that's what you believe and of course people can believe anything they want, like, Santa Claus exists... but then adults will look at the naive, believing kids and say... "Yes, Santa came down in a reindeer chariot, down the rubbish chute and delivered your presents to you."Originally posted by Deino:lol...our spirit is not of this world.....in other words its not of matter.......
many people have experienced out of body experience......
you dun need to know where your spirit resides coz it doesn't matter....its wot you do that matters.......
the spirit is a software and the body is a hardware....simple as that.....the software is used to control the hardware
... and if the kids ask the adults to prove the existence of Santa, the adult will say, "Prove that Santa does not exist"... all the time knowing that without the proof of the existence of Santa... it is only good for fooling kids... so that they behave better... -
you jumped to conclusions without thinking...Originally posted by Demonight:Yes but that is what you imply by talking about neurons and such. And you contradict yourself with that last line -
...our mind has the ability to think and reason and control the desires and nature of our bodily need...Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:... how is the mind "more superior to the body" ?
... and so where are all the minds of those whose body had perished?
... and can you prove that Santa Claus does not exist?
...like i said, our soul is not of this world....it is not matter....our mind does not need a body to exist....it goes where it wants to...
..Santa Claus is just a make up so that small children would behave........ -
..."the ability to think and reason and control the desires and nature of our bodily need" does not mean that a soul and spirit exist because "the ability to think and reason and control the desires and nature of our bodily need" disappears with the demise of the body.Originally posted by Deino:...our mind has the ability to think and reason and control the desires and nature of our bodily need...
...like i said, our soul is not of this world....it is not matter....our mind does not need a body to exist....it goes where it wants to...
..Santa Claus is just a make up so that small children would behave........
... yes and spirit and soul is just made up so that big children will behave... -
If you aren't going to use any philosohical terms, and insist on your own genius when you don't know what you are talking about, please don't waste my time. I suggest you look up 'Functionalism', 'Dualism, and Sartre's Existentialism for a startOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:... people act according to the existing data in their neurons, the new data, and the thought process cycles... -
our knowledge are limited.....there are many things that scientists cannot explain becoz they dun have the knowledge to.....Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:.. that's what you believe and of course people can believe anything they want, like, Santa Claus exists... but then adults will look at the naive, believing kids and say... "Yes, Santa came down in a reindeer chariot, down the rubbish chute and delivered your presents to you."
... and if the kids ask the adults to prove the existence of Santa, the adult will say, "Prove that Santa does not exist"...
can scientist explain the oopart?
these are all ofcourse asumptions....but many assumptions tend to be true.....
do you believe that a puddle of mud left for a billion years could turn into a self thought and reasoning human?
if the kids are smart.....which i believe kids nowadays are....they would take a handy spycam to record it all night..... -
apparently you use them but have no understanding of what they mean and so you have no way to describe in your owns words, what the concepts are talking about at ground level... it is pointless to try showing off with big words if you do not understand what they mean... and cannot translate them into everyday language...Originally posted by Demonight:If you aren't going to use any philosohical terms, and insist on your own genius when you don't know what you are talking about, please don't waste my time. I suggest you look up 'Functionalism', 'Dualism, and Sartre's Existentialism for a start