Teachers will earn much more now
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Got include kindergarten??Originally posted by FireIce:great... now i can consider.....
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Where is it is given and that is where it will be taken.
Expect another round of school fee hike.
They just revise the teacher pay last year.
So, how is "long-overdue" ?
If the teacher are in for the salary, then they will ask for more and more.
Just like the bunches of poodles. -
for those who snort at the pay rise..
do you have any idea how many hours the average teacher work per day?
inclusive of lesson planning, marking, event planning, administrative work, training, counselling students, telephone conversations with parents, CCA, competitions, sports day, meetings and etc? Divide those number of hours with their average pay per day, and you would realise that they are really paid pittance.
MOE teachers are under a great deal of pressure and emotional stress - from the ministry, from their bosses, from the kids, from the parents - all of whom have their own agenda and different expectations from them. They are expected to fulfill all these expectations as best as they could.. and somehow in that process, actually TEACH the kids something.
Seriously! Money can't be the sole reason why they are putting in so much work - but does that mean they don't deserve to be paid for it? Just because they do it for passion as well - does that mean they should get less for their work? How does that work out?
I'm not an MOE teacher but i appreciate that its a tough tough job. And like one of the posters above said, even 80k a year can't equate with the duress they have to go through. -
cannot smoke in school dah....
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Hahahaha! Well if we as students can smoke,sldnt be a problem as teachers.In every school there is a case of haunted toilet,thats the place to go.And if someone sees smoke in it,they know its 'haunted'. -
As much as I have to admit that there are some of my teachers whom I actually dislike, I have to say that this pay hike for teachers is the most justifiable in the entire civil service. (compared to ministers and other sector pay hike)
Teachers nowadays definitely face tougher challenges than what was faced ten years ago, this is from all aspects. Firstly are the students. Many students today are simply rude and disrespectful towards teachers. They give teachers an emotional test. Secondly is the demand of the work itself. Today, teachers have to do work planning and reflection, stay back for remedials even for lower primary students and sacrifice their personal time.
From my own experience, my teachers when I was in Upper Secondary, their sacrifice for us is simply extraordinary. My Math and Physics teacher used to stay back until 6.30PM just to help us in case we have questions. My Language teachers gave us their phone numbers and did not hesitate to offer us help should we need one even during the weekends. They were always trying to help us while balancing their time with meetings, plannings and for most of them, their family. Though it is a 5 day work week, many are willing to come down on Saturdays just to help. Officialy, their work hours are 7.30-2.30, many are at school by 6.30 and leave at the very least, at 5.00. This is true even for Primary school teachers.
A teacher's job isn't as simple as it was before. Parents today are "more difficult". The school management demands more from them. They make a lot of personal sacrifices. And don't forget about the CCAs. I say, if there is indeed any group of people who deserves a pay rise, they are the ones.
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including preschool teachers? there are so-called more "brats" in preschools/childcares etc there. and the pay for these group of teachers is still like that...... =((Originally posted by the Bear:unfortunately.. teachers everywhere still have to face the brats
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good for them! lots of my friends are teachers. Can ask them to give me a treat
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yeah.. i know..
teachers all over the world are never paid enough..
i figure, if these are the people who are going to shape the future of a country, they should be paid to shoulder this great responsibility...
don't listen to the asswipes who och and moan about this.. just like the semi-sentient hate-riddled bitter and cynical morons in SCOriginally posted by ms.anonymous:including preschool teachers? there are so-called more "brats" in preschools/childcares etc there. and the pay for these group of teachers is still like that...... =(( -
Is money the way to solve every damn problem? There is something seriously wrong with the mentality of the people in power then.
A teacher's bonus is linked to his performance and that's where the problem is. Performance is largely linked to his students' results. Therefore, will the teacher truly tranfer knowledge in his capacity as an educator or for selfish reasons then?
Despite rising salaries through the years (second only to MINDEF in terms of civil service payroll), there are hundreds of teachers who leave the profession every year. My friend's school alone had ten last year and he himself is determined to leave by the end of his bond.
Something must be done about the way schools are run (like corporations) and teachers' workload must be reduced. School holidays should be as work free as possible and the same goes for weekends.
While I do not deny that teachers deserve good salaries but I have to maintain that the spirit of education should never be corrupted by money. -
well, the teachers deserve to earn more.
but i feel wif this pay rise, the teachers should be motivated n teach students wif passion on just on academic result, but also on character up-bringing n moral education. -
i agree with you that a salary raise is not the best way to solve the problem but I don't see how a raise in salary would be equal to 'corrupting the spirit of education with money".
With regard to teacher's bonuses being linked to performance: I think that makes total sense! I mean, what other quantifiable way can you measure a teacher's contribution? You can't 'measure' the character impact that a teacher has on a student!
It pushes teachers to become more creative in their teaching because that's the only way students can learn better. As a teacher, you can't just say, hey look, I stand here 6 hours a day giving good lectures to these kids ok, its not MY fault they don't learn! A teacher has to FIND ways to understand why the kids aren't learning, aren't motivated to learn, and then find out > this part of their job translates to better results!
So Question:
If a person is a HIGHLY effective teacher - creative, interesting, motivating - does it mean he deserves less bonuses if he is doing it simply for the money? Does working for money makes doing a good job, LESS good?
It is the Ministry's job to ensure that teacher's performance should not be measured solely on meeting 'targets' like salesmen. That should be the crux of it, rather than whether teachers 'deserve' bonuses linked to their performances or not.
I don't understand why you feel that running a school like a corporation is bad - as long as the school understand the fundamental importance of their product - QUALITY education - and make achieving that standard the focus of their staff. Why is that bad?
Secondly, I love the suggestions you made about it, and i am sure lots of people also hope that can be done. But the reality is in order to ACHIEVE that and maintain a good quality of education - you probably need at least double the number of teaching staff that is currently employed right now. Which means double the tax that goes into paying double the staff and an astronomic increase in school fees. <<-- and MONEY would definitely solve THIS problem.
Imagine the outcry THAT would cause.Originally posted by Rock^Star:
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Therefore, will the teacher truly tranfer knowledge in his capacity as an educator or for selfish reasons then?
Something must be done about the way schools are run (like corporations) and teachers' workload must be reduced. School holidays should be as work free as possible and the same goes for weekends.
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(a) there are only 1000 vacancies left for those who think of becoming teachers.
(b) i agree with rock^star that teachers are not spending enuff time teaching. the spirit of teaching should be improved. one way is to have more clerks do the admin work for them. -
Much as I hate admin work - unfortunately a lot of the adimn work ensures that the teachers actually get to know their students better, know how much they know, understand their backgrounds - so it is not as easy as just 'dumping' it on some clerks.Originally posted by Daddy!!:(a) there are only 1000 vacancies left for those who think of becoming teachers.
(b) i agree with rock^star that teachers are not spending enuff time teaching. the spirit of teaching should be improved. one way is to have more clerks do the admin work for them. -
Yes guys, I'm sure everyone has differing views to this pay rise thing.
I'm no teacher myself but my good friend is. I trust his analytical skills.
It is indeed run like a corporation. Pardon the lack of details here. My friend often comes home moody and is extremely reluctant to talk about work. It has even affected his social interaction with friends. He often laments the lack of space allocated to creativity.....rigid environment etc.
He is quitting in 6 months time.
Perhaps you may want to read this up to get a clearer idea.
As quoted from his blog:
One significant contributing factor, inevitably, is work. By now, you know very well I detest bringing this up. Yet I always do, every now and again. You may remember me telling you this time last year about my heavy workload for this year. I havenÂ’t died, but IÂ’m not far off. No exaggerations, mind you. I wonÂ’t go into details because they depress me no end. If youÂ’re interested, you can go to this link:
http://singaporedreaming.com/blog/?q=node/6 -
Maybe the ministers should swap their salaries with the teachers.Originally posted by MyPillowTalks:ok, all go be teacher
who knows next time one million one year
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Many of my good friends are teachers too... I teach myself, but I am not an MOE teacher.Originally posted by Rock^Star:Yes guys, I'm sure everyone has differing views to this pay rise thing.
I'm no teacher myself but my good friend is. I trust his analytical skills.
It is indeed run like a corporation. Pardon the lack of details here. My friend often comes home moody and is extremely reluctant to talk about work. It has even affected his social interaction with friends. He often laments the lack of space allocated to creativity.....rigid environment etc.
He is quitting in 6 months time.
Perhaps you may want to read this up to get a clearer idea.
As quoted from his blog:
One significant contributing factor, inevitably, is work. By now, you know very well I detest bringing this up. Yet I always do, every now and again. You may remember me telling you this time last year about my heavy workload for this year. I havenÂ’t died, but IÂ’m not far off. No exaggerations, mind you. I wonÂ’t go into details because they depress me no end. If youÂ’re interested, you can go to this link:
http://singaporedreaming.com/blog/?q=node/6
I think it is good if you can bring up how this pay rise would not solve existing problems in retaining teaching staff - i agree that it is very relevant.
What really needs to happen is for the guys up there to have a PARADIGM SHIFT - and realise that results is not the ONLY way of measuring performance.
But that's the crap all teachers go through, you see. Some choose to leave, your friend is leaving soon.
BUT the reality is some stay - what do you think is in it for those who take the crap and stay? i am sure they don't remain in the profession just for money. -
Teaching cannot be that bad rite..if it is bad as how some of you put it, there won't be thousands who keep applying every year.
Every job has its pros and cons,what..I'm sure even a 9 - 6pm (or even longer, due to OT) job has its own set of problems too. -
So like that just 3 years, can get $4,600 a month??!!!Originally posted by Rigante:SINGAPORE: The Ministry of Education has announced that principals and teachers will get a higher pay package starting next year.
Under a new initiative called Grow 2.0, the pay packages for principals and teachers will jump between 12 and 18 per cent.
The new package costs the government S$380 million per year and it will come into effect from April 2008.
Teachers can also expect bigger bonuses which will be based on performance.
Under the new package, a classroom teacher with three years experience can see his or her annual pay package rise from S$52, 000 to S$58,000. And for an outstanding performer, the new package can mean a jump from S$55,000 to S$65,000.
The Ministry of Education said it is targeting to have 30,000 teachers employed by 2010.
Currently it has about 29,000.
Last year the resignation rate for teachers was three per cent, half a percentage point more than the previous year. - CNA/ac
We, engineers, slogged from 9am to 8pm everyday only $3k-$4k nia.
KNS.
The better performing ones, makes about top 20% of new teachers, about 1 out of 5 teachers, gets $5,000 to $5,200 a month!!!?? -
Yah lor, if teaching is a passion, it is the same as ANY profession right?Originally posted by birkin:Teaching cannot be that bad rite..if it is bad as how some of you put it, there won't be thousands who keep applying every year.
Every job has its pros and cons,what..I'm sure even a 9 - 6pm (or even longer, due to OT) job has its own set of problems too.
If you feel stressed, then quit and find a non-teaching job.
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[quote]Originally posted by Daddy!!:
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(a) there are only 1000 vacancies left for those who think of becoming teachers.
but how many will stay on?
they have 29,000 teachers now and 3% leaving the service every year. that is about 870 teachers leaving every year. wow... -
The teachers that left already said that money is not a considering factor for staying or leaving the job. Many of them who left had the passion to teach. Only the mediocre ones, I'm sorry to say, thought about the money and stayed.
It's the job itself. There's no job satisfaction. It sucks. It's frustrating.It's the bureaucracy.
That's the way nincompoops at the top solve problems. Pay more at taxpayers' expense. -
Errr......how come it's stated that a teacher teaching for 3 years can get up to $58k a year??
Isn't that over estimating? Can any teacher confirm this??
And no offence, but to people who are abit sour grapes abt teachers' pay increase, why not join the profession yourself? As long as you have a degree from the 3 main Unis, you can go in smoothly.
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snort - r u a teacher? no MONEY can make that amount of crap most teachers face feel better about it man!Originally posted by googoomuck:The teachers that left already said that money is not a considering factor for staying or leaving the job. Many of them who left had the passion to teach. Only the mediocre ones, I'm sorry to say, thought about the money and stayed.
It's the job itself. There's no job satisfaction. It sucks. It's frustrating.It's the bureaucracy.
That's the way nincompoops at the top solve problems. Pay more at taxpayers' expense.
There are MOE teachers i know who really could not handle the crap at work. But they may leave MOE, but you can't take the passion for teaching out of a person who really have a passion for it. Some of them end up teaching for far less pay at other places, such as special schools.
i am not saying that those who leave have no passion for teaching. They have their own priorities and beliefs about life and quality of life.
but i think it is bloody unfair to say ONLY the mediocre ones stay. -
I think EVERY job out there has elements of frustration, suckiness and bureaucracy- not only teaching.Originally posted by googoomuck:The teachers that left already said that money is not a considering factor for staying or leaving the job. Many of them who left had the passion to teach. Only the mediocre ones, I'm sorry to say, thought about the money and stayed.
It's the job itself. There's no job satisfaction. It sucks. It's frustrating.It's the bureaucracy.
That's the way nincompoops at the top solve problems. Pay more at taxpayers' expense. -
I'm talking about MOE teachers, you idiot !Originally posted by ShrodingersCat:snort - r u a teacher? no MONEY can make that amount of crap most teachers face feel better about it man!
There are MOE teachers i know who really could not handle the crap at work. But they may leave MOE, but you can't take the passion for teaching out of a person who really have a passion for it. Some of them end up teaching for far less pay at other places, such as special schools.
i am not saying that those who leave have no passion for teaching. They have their own priorities and beliefs about life and quality of life.
but i think it is bloody unfair to say ONLY the mediocre ones stay.