Teachers will earn much more now
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teachers are probably one of the the first batches to reach first world standard in terms of salary.
some time ago, many people complained that the govt did not take care of Singaporeans. I think most teachers are Singaporeans and they are taken care of by the govt.
the moral of the story is that the opposition parties in Singapore who wanna use poverty or lack of money or low income of Singaporeans to move people to fight for democracy will lose because the govt controls the money. it is easy for the govt to "release" the funds and make the opposition looook stupid. -
You said it.Originally posted by Daddy!!:teachers are probably one of the the first batches to reach first world standard in terms of salary.
some time ago, many people complained that the govt did not take care of Singaporeans. I think most teachers are Singaporeans and they are taken care of by the govt.
the morale of the story is that the opposition parties in Singapore who wanna use poverty or lack of money or low income of Singaporeans to move people to fight for democracy will lose because the govt controls the money. it is easy for the govt to "release" the funds and make the opposition looook stupid.
Government controls Singapore's money and will make the opposition look stupid by using Singaporeans' money.
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so far, the opposition parties are fighting a losing battle. they should play more strategy games.Originally posted by charlize:You said it.
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so am I - read my post properly!Originally posted by googoomuck:I'm talking about MOE teachers, you idiot !
don't u think it is unfair to say that ONLY MEDIOCRE teachers remain in MOE for the money??
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I think they should. It's a very challenging career with big responsibility; that is, if you are a responsible teacher.
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OK. That's your opinion of MOE teachers..Originally posted by ShrodingersCat:so am I - read my post properly!
don't u think it is unfair to say that ONLY MEDIOCRE teachers remain in MOE for the money??
geez..
I have no quarrel with teachers in special schools. The pay is low. They are also professionally trained to teach children with special needs. They make financial sacrifice. I respect them for making the sacrifice. They are the ones that need a raise. I'm not sure if they are included in the MOE's pay adjustment announcement. -
Originally posted by nightzip:So like that just 3 years, can get $4,600 a month??!!!
We, engineers, slogged from 9am to 8pm everyday only $3k-$4k nia.
>>>> That's also alot liao....i last time work from 8am to 1am, getting half your 3k....
KNS.
The better performing ones, makes about top 20% of new teachers, about 1 out of 5 teachers, gets $5,000 to $5,200 a month!!!?? -
They are notOriginally posted by googoomuck:OK. That's your opinion of MOE teachers..
I have no quarrel with teachers in special schools. The pay is low. They are also professionally trained to teach children with special needs. They make financial sacrifice. I respect them for making the sacrifice. They are the ones that need a raise. I'm not sure if they are included in the MOE's pay adjustment announcement.
But i hope when the time comes that they finally do get a raise, people will not say that their work is less worthwhile because they get more money for it. -
other then the garments .. i personally hink teaching prof deserve a raise
cause well , to me they hv no limit ..
cause they r the only professionals that can seriously make or break one's future ...
if monetary gain can mould them to be better and more professional , jolly well to it
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can i be a teacher now
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Lawyers are also making very good money.
Some got 9 month salary bonus this year.
http://www.kick.sg/BusinessAndFinance/9_Months_Bonus_for_Lawyers_in_Singapore.aspx -
I think it includes bonuses and stuff. prob starting pay is around the high $2000 region. prob after 3 years pay around $3500
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The government has to realize that although $$ incentives will attract lots of people to join the profession, there will still be alot of teachers leaving the profession. In the end, only the 'not-right' teachers will be staying behind while the valuable ones will still be leaving. Why? Because teaching is such a stressful profession, the increase in $$ may be just enough, if not enough, to pay for their psychiatric treatment! MOE has to find out the real cause of the imbalance and treat it, otherwise ultimately it is the students, our leaders of tomorrow, stand to lose. I see it with my very own eyes.
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I think teacher's pay is really high now.
I dont really think there's a lot of stress involved. Even if you do like shlt, you still get paid based on contract.
Its unlike in some companies where your boss can sack you anytime if you perform like shlt. -
it's all speculation based on wat u heard from others or from ur own "imagination"
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Nowadays a teacher can be told to leave his/ her job too if he/ she did not perform up to the required standard. Yap, a teacher can be fired.Originally posted by Gasfene:I think teacher's pay is really high now.
I dont really think there's a lot of stress involved. Even if you do like shlt, you still get paid based on contract.
Its unlike in some companies where your boss can sack you anytime if you perform like shlt.
One has to be in the profession to understand the stress level - let's see... from your students, from your reporting officer, from your principal, from the parents. Today teaching can be considered serving line - you serve your customers, who are your customers? your students. You don;t like your customers, you also must serve. With the amount of workload given, truly, really, the little $$ is nothing. you BASICALLY DO NOT HAVE A LIFE when you are a teacher.
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The children studying in school is the next generation of work force and voters. The teachers has a great influence over the children's developing mind, imagine if a disenchanted teacher preaches or remark on social woes or inequality in the system, it will imprint on these next X, Y or what ever alphabet generation.
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Teachers welcome new pay package announced by Education Ministry
By Satish Cheney, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 29 December 2007 2124 hrs
SINGAPORE : Teachers have welcomed the Education Ministry's announcement of better pay and career development for them.
Some also say it is a timely move.
The Singapore Teachers' Union says it is happy the government has taken a holistic approach towards making the teaching profession more attractive.
In a statement, it says, given the robust economic growth and stiff competition for talent, the overall remuneration package for teachers must stay competitive and keep pace with the private sector.
It's also hoped that one of the main gripes - a heavy workload - will lighten as more teachers are employed.
Chow Weisi, Teacher, Nanyang Girls' High School, says: "By introducing all the support staff, parent educators in the coming years to actually increase, strengthen the teaching force that would actually impact the teacher-student ratio and the class size of the schools, so that teachers can better manage and deliver more effective lessons."
As bonuses and pay increments become more merit-based, the evaluation process for teachers will become more important.
Many say they would leave the evaluation process to the ministry to ensure it is fair.
Sharul Hisham, Teacher, Yew Tee Primary School, says: "I have confidence that assessment will be very transparent as well as in a fair manner for all teachers."
The higher pay package will cost the Ministry S$380 million a year. - CNA/ch -
The government has to increase the pay in the civil services because they already paid themselves a huge increment with huge bonuses.
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Originally posted by Rigante:
SINGAPORE: The Ministry of Education has announced that principals and teachers will get a higher pay package starting next year.
Under a new initiative called Grow 2.0, the pay packages for principals and teachers will jump between 12 and 18 per cent.
The new package costs the government S$380 million per year and it will come into effect from April 2008.
Teachers can also expect bigger bonuses which will be based on performance.
Under the new package, a classroom teacher with three years experience can see his or her annual pay package rise from S$52, 000 to S$58,000. And for an outstanding performer, the new package can mean a jump from S$55,000 to S$65,000.
The Ministry of Education said it is targeting to have 30,000 teachers employed by 2010.
Currently it has about 29,000.
Last year the resignation rate for teachers was three per cent, half a percentage point more than the previous year. - CNA/ac
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So like that just 3 years, can get $4,600 a month??!!!
We, engineers, slogged from 9am to 8pm everyday only $3k-$4k nia.
KNS.
The better performing ones, makes about top 20% of new teachers, about 1 out of 5 teachers, gets $5,000 to $5,200 a month!!!?? -
Seriously not bad at all....even more so if you are a PE teacher as well.
That means the HODs will have incomes approaching OR exceeding the 5 figure mark - excellent reason to punish more students so they can maintain their job
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wow i didnt noe teachers earn 4k a month,
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I smell a lot of sour grapes here...
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There’s a reason it’s called “public service”
4th January 2008
There’s a reason it’s called “public service”.
From ministers to perm secs all the way to rank and file officers. Why do we call them “civil servants”? Because they are servants of the people. We pay them to serve the nation, to implement good policies, to make a better community for all.
Public service is very different from private enterprise which is profit-driven. In private enterprise, you are rewarded for boosting the companyÂ’s bottom line. In public service, you are compensated for the service you have rendered to the country and community, and the benefits you bring to the community are not necessarily measured in dollars and cents.
Lost in the hustle and bustle of bringing public service wages in line with private sector wages is the seemingly quaint but still utterly relevant notion that people should enter public service primarily out of a desire to serve the nation in a capacity that they can excel at, whether it is teaching, policy research, or administrative work.
In return for their service to the nation, public servants should be paid a decent wage that allows them a reasonable standard of living. But to argue that they must be paid more simply because their top counterparts in the private sector are raking in $XXX millions a year is to reduce them to a profit motive.
The following ST Forum letter says its best. To quote, “Public service requires a different aptitude, ethos and capacity, and emphasises empathy, altruism, selflessness and a strong sense of purpose in contributing to the community. It carries with it a heavy emotional investment, often difficult to quantify in monetary terms.”
I would like to take this argument one step further. If we attract people to public service simply with the lure of high wages, how are we sure that when the going gets tough, our public servants will have the mental fortitude to do what it takes to help the nation tide over rough times? IsnÂ’t strength of character, a sense of loyalty, and the willingness to make personal sacrifices the most important character traits to look out for in public servants, especially Ministers? IÂ’m afraid the dangling of the carrot of sky-high wages would not necessarily attract people who have these character and personality traits, and would in the long run, do far more harm than good to the civil service and our nation.
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Can money buy a civil servantÂ’s conscience?
Filed Under: Life, Singapore on January 3rd, 2008
Over the years, many friends have often asked me why did I call it quits with civil service? The increment each year offered me a salary package higher than a fresh degree student would be paid for. In addition, we “enjoyed” more off days than the average worker in Singapore would have. Without taking into account all the free improvement courses we get to attend, we also appear to be enjoying endless privileges of discounts on certain products through the internal clubhouse.
All the doubts over my sudden resignation one day, can actually be simplified into one general question. Given the above perks and all, ainÂ’t I stupid to resign?
Talking about my civil service term is never an easy task. It involved so many sensitive issues pertaining to neighbouring countries, and even as I begin writing this post, there are many more which I have no authority to access. It’s common knowledge to those whom have dealt with such stuffs, that there are still countless levels above the classification of “Secret”. Hence, talking about my days is never an easy thing. But this post isn’t about all these outdated information that I remembered in my head.
I am sure most of us would have known by now, that many civil servants are condemned by the average Singaporeans. Take a look around Singapore’s blogosphere, some “public sentiments” towards Singapore’s civil service painted a very ugly picture of it with little mercy and sympathy. Resigning from civil service seemed at one time, a very reasonable decision to get out of the “public enemy” category.
Until today, I still do not hold any regrets from turning my back on my own ricebowl. However, it wasn’t because I was being seen as one of the “public enemies” but rather it was due to my conscience. To some, giving up such a high salary package and attractive benefits seemed to be the stupidest decision one can make after gaining a certain level of recognition from colleagues around me. I wasn’t the fittest member, but I am more alert and careful. I wasn’t the most experienced guru, but I fared better in strategic planning compared to some of my more experienced peers. I wasn’t the highest educated, but yet I understood certain psychological operandi better than my own superior. All these are not meant to boast my own capabilities, but rather I know my strengths and weaknesses. This - in turn - led me to question, have our civil service brought itself into the obsession with paper tigers rather than true efficiency?
I signed up with civil service for a very simple reason of survival. The job I had wasnÂ’t one of my aspirations, but it was a logical choice based on the income and stability it offered. As the years lingered on, I began to experience and see more of things which the average Singaporean wouldnÂ’t get to see. Should I consider myself as being fortunate enough to see the other side? Or should I say I was unfortunate enough to be engulfed with some of these nasty events, which during normal times I definitely wouldnÂ’t do? Deep down inside my heart, I think I am fortunate to go through some unfortunate experiences.
If there was a way to measure up these experiences with the salary package, I think I have been underpaid. It is 2008 now, but a part of me is still loitering in the memories of those years, questioning myself what other better options should I have adopted during certain crisis? No doubt I cannot turn back the clock to change the outcomes of those events, it is in me that somewhereÂ… someoneÂ… and something else could have been done to avert certain hostile situations. What and who could it be? Could it be my superior? Could it be any of my colleagues? Could it be that fat arse sitting in the office in front of the PC, but yet lording over my department when they are not even a part of us? Or worse, could it be ME who could have done something at somewhere on someone, instead of keeping silent?
Each day at work, began to feel like being at the frontline of a battle. I fought against the evils, I fought against the temptations, I fought against the competition from my peers and trust me, I had to fight against myself and my conscience even.
I believe everyone will face a situation where a fight between our heads and hearts take place. It is no difference for a civil servant who has to deal with so many people, local or abroad. Watching others commit evil wasnÂ’t really that bad. What made me felt worse, was watching my peers succumbing to the evils. It wasnÂ’t a matter of decisions made on impulse. As I began breaking down bit and pieces of everything, it became apparent to me that certain practices and beliefs have infiltrated the system. These practices and beliefs are more like HIV infections and terminal illnesses, forever loitering in the body for as long as someone adopts, get brainwashed enough into using, or refuse to change for the better.
For those whom have not been reciting the Singapore pledge for the longest time, here it is for you.
We, the citizens of Singapore,
pledge ourselves as one united people,
regardless of race, language or religion,
to build a democratic society,
based on justice and equality,
so as to achieve happiness, prosperity and
progress for our nation.
From young we have been trained to recite this pledge by heart. We were also taught in schools on the kind of pride we should hold of ourselves whenever we recite it. Fast forwarding myself to some situations involving my colleagues and others (local and foreigners)Â… what, one united people? What, regardless of race, language or religion? What, justice and equality?
DonÂ’t mistaken me for what I meant. The pledge is a completely honorable one. One that is deserving of the utmost respect from anyone around the world. What saddened me, was watching my peers reciting this pledge with pride, only to survive with actions that overruled their integrity and consciences. It is not the pledge I hold against, but the people.
Nowadays, I still find myself asking whether are these people whom I know and used to work with, still carrying on the disgraceful culture I was once surrounded with? I still find myself asking whether are my peers still returning home to meet their children, telling them that their fathers had done good without betraying their consciences? If you’re wondering what exactly they did to irk me this much, you will be wondering for a long time. I’m not going to say specifically on what they did. Afterall, this post was never meant to be used as a “spill the beans” tool but rather, some heartfelt feelings stirring in me after a friend complained to me this afternoon about his superior. He’s serving in the Australian army btw.
Faced with such overwhelming diseases in the system that I worked for, being relieved of the burden that once plagued me into civil service, and a final bust-up with my direct superiorÂ… I served my resignation. His degree, commanded little grounds in the respect that I ought to pay him. By his rank and appointment, perhaps. But individually man-to-man, I despised him for his lack of integrity and the non-action against undesirable practices that opposed the very pledge we memorized by heart.
To forgo my conscience in the hope of pleasing my superior and keeping my ricebowl, was something I simply cannot go on doing. If it had been so over those years, it is not anymore now.
But is it really that bad in civil service? There were the good and the badÂ… and I have only just begun. For now, you know why I turned my back on the system. I will talk more in my next post.
http://www.mr-endoh.com/life/can-money-buy-a-civil-servants-conscience/