Satanic forces facts or fiction?
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that's not far from the truth.Originally posted by noahnoah:[/color]
sounds like he is the Potter , you are the clay
He want to reward me, fine.
He doesn't want to reward me, that's His prerogative.
He wants to punish me for my sins (which I have many) that's His prerogative too.
He doesn't exist... well, we won't be able to tell will we??? -
Well, if you believe that babies go to heaven, I guess you don't believe in the doctrine of Original Sin.
Before I continue, please note I don't believe in any of this.
Man, including babies is born in sin.
Exodus 20:5 says, "I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me."
God has no qualms about punishing children for the sins of their fathers.
Jesus said in John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Babies have no chance to accept Jesus.
And it's funny that you say that in certain situations, children may be better off dead.
Could god, in his infinite power and goodness, punish the wicked and still save the innocent?
Why did god during the exodus feed his people with manna from heaven? Perhaps most of them would be better off dead instead of starving?
I guess it's not for us to question or understand the will of God.
Consider another way of looking at things.
Sh*t happens. Good things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. Bad thing happen to good people. Bad things happen to bad people. If you help a sick man and fall sick yourself, it's not a punishment. If you don't fall sick though everyone around you is, you're not especially blessed. There isn't any meaning other than what we make of it. -
wooooOriginally posted by Chin Eng:that's not far from the truth.
He want to reward me, fine.
He doesn't want to reward me, that's His prerogative.
He wants to punish me for my sins (which I have many) that's His prerogative too.
He doesn't exist... well, we won't be able to tell will we???
well say
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Actually, I beg to differ.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Have I wrote anything without sense or wrong ? It seems u r here to find fault with the writer and not wat he wrote
I am curious why u question my intentions of debating about it when u accept anything god did and think he is on the good side. At tis point of time, it does not matter whether I believe in god or not believe in god. I am here to question about it and tat is tat. I can write any comments about god and u can't even complain about it to anyone.
If you don't think God exist, you are using a Book that you obviously don't believe in to argue about the nature of God..... which you don't believe existed. So God don't exist - whether he's cruel or not doesn't matter right?
I don't post about what God did or did not do. To balance it out... sometimes I also disagree with Christians who post irresponsibly about the so-called miracles..... of "God". -
However if God is like a powerful demon, what can you do about it? Keep up the writing in SGforums like He care about what you think? Or organise a intergalactic force and recruit the flying spaghetti monster on your side to fight Him?
Well, then why r u writing in sgforums and complain about me
The reason why u r writing against me is perhaps the same reason why i am writing as suchactually (and truthfully) - NO.
U r not answering the question. R u a believer because of your fear for him ? Tis fear can be when u r alive or dead.
i also really don't care what will happen to me after i die. Strangely this goes against what some church teaching goes - about the treasure in heaven etc etc.....His actions were the cause of this.....
God have already stated his stand. He made the pharoah's heart hardened. He killed tons of people because of his action. He did it for the purpose of giving him a chance to display his prowess so everyone will be scared of him.
Firstly he was self proclaiming that he was god.....
I wa also taught that the pharaoh did ask for forgiveness just before he died and that god accepted it...... -
at the end of the day, some folks like to quote from Exodus and say see see: God is a cruel vicious God.... God punish the innocent......... but but but I don't believe God exist....
which makes the entire argument really really futile. -
If you don't think God exist, you are using a Book that you obviously don't believe in to argue about the nature of God..... which you don't believe existed. So God don't exist - whether he's cruel or not doesn't matter right?
It matters because I got a different interpretation of the figure "god" in the book titled "bible" with some people and I wanna discuss about it. Isn't tat reason enough ? -
Complain? what complain? This is a forum right?Originally posted by stupidissmart:Well, then why r u writing in sgforums and complain about me The reason why u r writing against me is perhaps the same reason why i am writing as such
I already said, No..... Your question is a YES or NO type question.Originally posted by stupidissmart:U r not answering the question. R u a believer because of your fear for him ? Tis fear can be when u r alive or dead.
....but but but, you don't believe God exist.... isn't it kinda of commenting that it's the evil stepmother in Snow White that is responsible for the bad things in this world?Originally posted by stupidissmart:God have already stated his stand. He made the pharoah's heart hardened. He killed tons of people because of his action. He did it for the purpose of giving him a chance to display his prowess so everyone will be scared of him.
Your statement can only make sense IF YOU believe that God exist. If you believe that God exist, only then can we kowbay about the vengeful nature of God in the OT. -
You are correct.Originally posted by Chin Eng:I am not, at the moment, trying to define "God".
I am merely asking, to those who keep finding fault with the Bible, whether they believe "God" exist.
If "God" does not exist, then whatever events that happened in the Bible is probably false, and there is really no point going into any discussion into the "whys" and "whats"....
If "God" exist, then whether God is "gracious" (not GRACEFUL) or "vengeful" remains His prerogative. At this point it does not matter you are fearful or morally upright - He is God and that's that. He can do whatever He wants with any individual, and you can't even complain about it to His boss.
If god exists, and he is all powerful and perhaps, all knowing, it doesn't matter if he's good or just. You pretty much have to suck thumb. You are at God's whims.
I have absolutely no problem with the Bible - just as I have no problem with the Harry Potter books, or the Dune series. (I have a problem with the Star Wars prequels but that's for different reasons. They were terrible.)
But I do have a problem with people who claim that the bible is evidence for god because it is god's perfect word. I also have a problem with people who claim that a god is all good, all powerful, and all knowing. Those characteristics cannot exist together logically. -
actually yes, but can you share more about your interpretation of "God" from you POV?Originally posted by stupidissmart:It matters because I got a different interpretation of the figure "god" in the book titled "bible" with some people and I wanna discuss about it. Isn't tat reason enough ?
it's ok and I will not be offended if you think God is a evil demon. -
Many people who are against god and supports the devil juz becoz he killed many people are lost....Originally posted by stupidissmart:It matters because I got a different interpretation of the figure "god" in the book titled "bible" with some people and I wanna discuss about it. Isn't tat reason enough ?
At least thats wot i believe.....you can believe wot you want to but the only reason i know that god has decreed an eternity for the devil to hell is becoz he disobeyed him in bowing down to us.....
Maybe some of you are thinking that even the devil deserves "human rights"
But i dun think he do......becoz its becoz of him, those people were killed......
you are entitled to believe wot you want to coz you have your own rights as an individual but for now this is why i believe the devil doesn't deserve support..... -
Does a fictional wrong committed by a fictional character render that wrong deed beyond reproach?Originally posted by Chin Eng:Actually, I beg to differ.
If you don't think God exist, you are using a Book that you obviously don't believe in to argue about the nature of God..... which you don't believe existed. So God don't exist - whether he's cruel or not doesn't matter right? -
Basically, L L liao.Originally posted by Phaze:You are correct.
If god exists, and he is all powerful and perhaps, all knowing, it doesn't matter if he's good or just. You pretty much have to suck thumb. You are at God's whims.
I have always said that Lucas has no idea what he is really doing.Originally posted by Phaze:I have absolutely no problem with the Bible - just as I have no problem with the Harry Potter books, or the Dune series. (I have a problem with the Star Wars prequels but that's for different reasons. They were terrible.)
I also have problems with Christians who any how whack from Bible... however I have no problem with God being omniscience, omnipotent, and omnipresence.... but is God all-good??? well to me, good is a mindset base on the influence of the culture that one is in. So 'GOOD' itself has no meaning.Originally posted by Phaze:But I do have a problem with people who claim that the bible is evidence for god because it is god's perfect word. I also have a problem with people who claim that a god is all good, all powerful, and all knowing. Those characteristics cannot exist together logically. -
Originally posted by Beyond Religion:Does a fictional wrong committed by a fictional character render that wrong deed beyond reproach? Is the death of Captain America wrong???
or is Mephisto correct in messing with the life of Peter Parker and Mary Jane?
...you tell me.... -
actually yes, but can you share more about your interpretation of "God" from you POV?
Tentatively, for tis thread, I felt tat god acts like a devil and tat the devil, written in the bible, is only evil because he is against god. Factually, he did not seemed to performed any bad deeds other than go against god.
it's ok and I will not be offended if you think God is a evil demon. -
But that is an argumentative technique. :pOriginally posted by Chin Eng:at the end of the day, some folks like to quote from Exodus and say see see: God is a cruel vicious God.... God punish the innocent......... but but but I don't believe God exist....
which makes the entire argument really really futile.
I don't believe that god exists. But you (and I'm not referring to you exactly, but the opponent in the debate in general) assert that god does. So for the sake of the argument, I allow the premise that god might exist. Otherwise, there can be no discussion at all.
Let's take another example.
Mike is suspected of stealing a candy bar from Steven's desk. There were no witnesses but Steven apparently was the only person around at the time.
I believe that Mike is innocent and Steven believes that Mike is guilty.
So if no one is willing to make an initial concession, the argument will go.
Me: Mike is innocent.
Steven: He's guilty.
Me: He's not.
Steven: He is.
Me: He didn't take it.
Steven: Yes he did.
And so on so forth.
So to get the discussion out of lala land, I perhaps make a concession.
Me: Okay. Let's say he did take the candy bar. Why would he do that when it's so obvious suspicion would fall on him.
And so the discussion goes on. -
But I ask you the question first. I sincerely wanted your opinion.Originally posted by Chin Eng: Is the death of Captain America wrong???
or is Mephisto correct in messing with the life of Peter Parker and Mary Jane?
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Is the death of Captain America wrong???
Apocalypse also destroy a lot of lives and killed a lot of people and he is wrong and we have the right to say tat. Even though Apocalypse is very powerful, tat doesn't make him right
or is Mephisto correct in messing with the life of Peter Parker and Mary Jane?
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is it true that in judaism, it's stated that the satan will pretend to be the messiah? since judaism denies that jesus is the messiah, thus jesus is actually satan-incarnate?
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that being the case, yes, the God of the old testament is a vengeful and jealous God - actually He said it himself.Originally posted by Phaze:But that is an argumentative technique. :p
I don't believe that god exists. But you (and I'm not referring to you exactly, but the opponent in the debate in general) assert that god does. So for the sake of the argument, I allow the premise that god might exist. Otherwise, there can be no discussion at all.
Let's take another example.
Mike is suspected of stealing a candy bar from Steven's desk. There were no witnesses but Steven apparently was the only person around at the time.
I believe that Mike is innocent and Steven believes that Mike is guilty.
So if no one is willing to make an initial concession, the argument will go.
Me: Mike is innocent.
Steven: He's guilty.
Me: He's not.
Steven: He is.
Me: He didn't take it.
Steven: Yes he did.
And so on so forth.
So to get the discussion out of lala land, I perhaps make a concession.
Me: Okay. Let's say he did take the candy bar. Why would he do that when it's so obvious suspicion would fall on him.
And so the discussion goes on. -
I also have problems with Christians who any how whack from Bible... however I have no problem with God being omniscience, omnipotent, and omnipresence.... but is God all-good??? well to me, good is a mindset base on the influence of the culture that one is in. So 'GOOD' itself has no meaning.
In short, r u saying tat according to modern view now, U agree god is not good ? If I am not wrong, u r trying to confuse people tat there is no such thing as good or bad -
yeah, but it is unlikely to enter into a discussion for philosophical truth would it? of course you can write to Stan Lee and kowpeh about it lah! Lucky got Benjamin Reed.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Apocalypse also destroy a lot of lives and killed a lot of people and he is wrong and we have the right to say tat. Even though Apocalypse is very powerful, tat doesn't make him right -
This thread has turned into a MARVEL thread.....Originally posted by Chin Eng:yeah, but it is unlikely to enter into a discussion for philosophical truth would it? of course you can write to Stan Lee and kowpeh about it lah! Lucky got Benjamin Reed.
Do we have any MARVEL forums by the way? -
i guess all the cartoon character will come into this topicOriginally posted by Deino:This thread has turned into a MARVEL thread.....
Do we have any MARVEL forums by the way?
soon?
wats next?
Satan become Satandeception?
Megasatan transformer? -
yeah, but it is unlikely to enter into a discussion for philosophical truth would it? of course you can write to Stan Lee and kowpeh about it lah! Lucky got Benjamin Reed.
Wow...u need to go into philosophical truth to discuss about comic characters !?!? Apocalypse kill people. Tat is wrong. He destroyed properties. Tat is wrong. He did it to satisfied his ambitious. Tat is wrong. He is powerful. Tat is right. Yet tat still makes him wrong isn't it ? U cannot determine wat is right or wrong ? I thought only children can't differentiate