Finally, a "gem in the rocks"... and unassuming too!Originally posted by chch:I've been reading sgforum for a yr now and look forward to read intellectually stimulating threads.
I'm not an intellectual chap. Wait till I get my results next wk...
I agree. Singapore is small, but that doesn't mean that we are smacked in the face, we shun away. We RETALIATE!! Please, u are acting like a spoiled kid I see in Orchard Rd. Grow up and serve your NS like another guy. For your info, I finished my NS 4 yrs back and it is supposed to be more "siong" than what u are having now. I am not at all surprised if u tell me u are in the service vocation. Serve your due and quit whining.Originally posted by Ding:Miken pls go to SIM Bowling forum to see my reply to ur thread. Have been waiting for you to reply to for quite long.
Glad to see some of the sensible replies here. I must reiterate that S'pore is my home and I will hold her dear till the day I die. I m one who totally support NS and I believe strongly that S'pore is capable of defending herself. Miken, pls get urself a back bone and 2 balls. Defend ur country urself! R u one who's going to leave ur love ones, family and friends behind when war or disasters befall S'pore? or will you stay with us in S'pore and stand up and be counted. Do u really think getting others or paying merceniary to protect S'pore will work? I don't think so. I think they will be the first to run or surrender when the going gets rough. What have them to lose? They will juz surrender and be sent back to their countries. They have a home to return to but we don't. S'pore is our home and defending her is what Singaporeans gotta do. Got extremely irritated by ur comments on S'pore. All the bombs, saliva flooding S'pore etc. How r u able to bring urself to say such things about ur homeland. Where, may I ask, is ur pride and honour? U aren't a real man if u don't have those qualities.
Jellybaby, what you said really makes me fucking angry. What are you trying to say?!Originally posted by jelly-baby:gals cannot serve NS, we r 'protected' species..heheh...
i read somewhere, long long ago, that one of the reason that it is not compulsory for gers to serve is becos in times of war, they r the ones to be protected.
why? becos, of procreation...gers have limit to the number they can reproduce, as there is a limited number of eggs in the womb.
Whereas for the guys, the number of women they can impregnate is unlimited (well, at least quite a large number)...
So, gers r protected!
I dunno if what i say is accurate, cos i read abt this quite long ago...kekeke...
Agreed! Totally!!!Originally posted by Larry:To the government, NS is a way of training locals to defend their own country.
To the soldiers, it means a waste of their time and resources.
Think of it this way, is mercenaries worth it?? I don't. They are just drawing a salary, a job. Not something to throw their lives away for if war comes. We have to depend on our own locals.
The issus here is about the mentality of Singaporeans. It is not about whether how rich or poor u are. Nowadays, kids are too pampered, be it male or female. I won't be surprised if gals are drafted into NS soon, just through a simpler BMT package.
Teenagers nowadays are too used to too much freedom. A little confinement, they start to make noise about it. NS is also about self-discipline. You will bring it into the working world.
In the working world, your boss is like your sergeant. If he/she doesn't like your work, SAMURA!! What's the difference??
Teenagers are also getting obese. Think of NS as a trim-n-fit system to keep your fitness in check.
Think about it. There are more pros than cons in NS.
Hmmm...maybe i shd have put a disclaimer...wat i said was something i read in the newspapers and not my own view!!!! pls read my post PROPERLY....and dun go around anyhow slap ppl...i DIDNT say dat i WONT serve NS, i was just stating a past newspaper article that explained why women are usually not required to serve NS. in no part of my posting did i mention that i did not want to serve NS. pls read properly before u jump to conclusions...U HAVE TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD ME!!!! and how dare u wanna slap me when u didnt even read my posting correctly!!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!!!Originally posted by Ande Tan:Jellybaby, what you said really makes me fucking angry. What are you trying to say?!
What has this protected species got to do with biology aspects of human bodies?! This is only just a typical sterotyping and taking for granted attitude that you are trying to impose on yourself. It becos you are too comfortable with your life as a gal in Singapore that you simply take things for granted and all the dirty jobs should be done by guys! Just becos you are a gal, do not imply that they are devoid of responsiblities. Just becos Singapore gals do not have to serve NS compulsory does not mean that they do not have to in the near future. Other countries do adopt such policies. You should be put under 5 months of BMT to let you understand what we guys have gone thru and let you better understand that we cannot take things for granted in life. We guys are human too...and we are also scared and need to protect ourselves too.
Since you mention that gals are protected species, then they should not demand equal status as guys and demand the same amount of benefits as guys, since guys simply do more dirty job like stupid NS and contribution to the country. Biological weaker does not make you a protected species, as you should fend for yourself too.
Wish can slap you, to wake you up. I simply depise gals like you. Go to hell!
Please bear in mind that these figures (wherever you got it) are only figures that the respective countries had released. The actual number might be a lot higher.Originally posted by visture:Let's not talk emotionally...
Take a look at real figures and stats:
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Singapore:
F-16A/B : 7
F-16C/D : 42
IF-16DJ : at least 8
E-2C : 4
Fooker 50: 8 (Destroy Ships at 90km)
A4-SU : 60+
(To be replace by Rafale or F/16D by 2010)
F-5S/T : 49 *including 4 RF-5 Photo-Spy
Malaysia:
MIG-29 : 15 (6 without spares to fly)
F/A-18D : 8
F-5E/F : 23 (Unable to fire AIM-120)
AWACS : Zero
British Hawk : 22
Indonesia:
F-16A/B : 12 (4 without spares to fly)
A4E : 30 (only 20+ flyable)
British Hawk : estimated 20+ ?
AWACS : Zero
F-5E/F : 10
** Our neighbourings countries have ZERO AWACS (early warning aircraft that detects enemies at 300 km range). While Singapore have 4 such aircrafts - the E-2C AWACS.
You can see them flying around the CCK, Jurong everyday. Its the slow flying aircraft with a big dish that detects planes 300km away, and planes taking off at Malaysia/Indonesia.
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Indonesia and Malaysia's F-5 can only fire AIM-9P which can kill planes at 15km range. While Singapore's F-5S/T can fire AIM-120 which shoots enemy planes down at 40km range.
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Singapore's IF-16DJ is a special plane that only USAF and IAF have. This plane can penetrate and destroy enemy air defenses without being shot down, due to its special "Electronic Warfare" jammers.
Our neighbours have NONE of these.
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SIngapore pilots are trained by USAF, and have scored equal/better scores in USAF's Red Flag exercises.
Neighbour countries train by themselves in primitive methods.
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Given our large airforce and navy, with modern weapons, we can easily take control of the skies without much worry