NO NS FOR MALE
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Sometimes I wonder how NS would be like if there are girls. Really scary...
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Finally, a "gem in the rocks"... and unassuming too!Originally posted by chch:I've been reading sgforum for a yr now and look forward to read intellectually stimulating threads.
I'm not an intellectual chap. Wait till I get my results next wk...
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Thumbs up!!!Miken
I totally agreed with u.
Singapore can defend but will eventually lost ..jus a matter of time u see.
The rest of the people are still sleeping.
But i glad they these youngster are so die-hearted 4 their country.
Those who say Army good 1 properly their family member had connection with the mindef.
" white horse " so they donn matter..
Some of them sign on 1 of coz must say something to reassurance their status.
I can understand one but mi myself also signed on 1 alot of things we say to inspire youngster like u ..keep alot of things saying confidential here and there.
U saying confidential other people also saying confidential;pls donn show off youngster espcially those who say know alot in Airforce 1.U know how many jets we have and how big is the sky,u know that our planes will fly out of this country within 3mins times.DO any one know that we still have to get permission 4 the use of sky to sort of bypass other country..
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Miken pls go to SIM Bowling forum to see my reply to ur thread. Have been waiting for you to reply to for quite long.
Glad to see some of the sensible replies here. I must reiterate that S'pore is my home and I will hold her dear till the day I die. I m one who totally support NS and I believe strongly that S'pore is capable of defending herself. Miken, pls get urself a back bone and 2 balls. Defend ur country urself! R u one who's going to leave ur love ones, family and friends behind when war or disasters befall S'pore? or will you stay with us in S'pore and stand up and be counted. Do u really think getting others or paying merceniary to protect S'pore will work? I don't think so. I think they will be the first to run or surrender when the going gets rough. What have them to lose? They will juz surrender and be sent back to their countries. They have a home to return to but we don't. S'pore is our home and defending her is what Singaporeans gotta do. Got extremely irritated by ur comments on S'pore. All the bombs, saliva flooding S'pore etc. How r u able to bring urself to say such things about ur homeland. Where, may I ask, is ur pride and honour? U aren't a real man if u don't have those qualities.
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I agree. Singapore is small, but that doesn't mean that we are smacked in the face, we shun away. We RETALIATE!! Please, u are acting like a spoiled kid I see in Orchard Rd. Grow up and serve your NS like another guy. For your info, I finished my NS 4 yrs back and it is supposed to be more "siong" than what u are having now. I am not at all surprised if u tell me u are in the service vocation. Serve your due and quit whining.Originally posted by Ding:Miken pls go to SIM Bowling forum to see my reply to ur thread. Have been waiting for you to reply to for quite long.
Glad to see some of the sensible replies here. I must reiterate that S'pore is my home and I will hold her dear till the day I die. I m one who totally support NS and I believe strongly that S'pore is capable of defending herself. Miken, pls get urself a back bone and 2 balls. Defend ur country urself! R u one who's going to leave ur love ones, family and friends behind when war or disasters befall S'pore? or will you stay with us in S'pore and stand up and be counted. Do u really think getting others or paying merceniary to protect S'pore will work? I don't think so. I think they will be the first to run or surrender when the going gets rough. What have them to lose? They will juz surrender and be sent back to their countries. They have a home to return to but we don't. S'pore is our home and defending her is what Singaporeans gotta do. Got extremely irritated by ur comments on S'pore. All the bombs, saliva flooding S'pore etc. How r u able to bring urself to say such things about ur homeland. Where, may I ask, is ur pride and honour? U aren't a real man if u don't have those qualities.
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pls la...i writing to xpress my point of view from a poor guy..i know many of u are dammn rich they donn care abt their family member.HAve u guys haven't think of those poor family who have to raise their family member cos he was the only sole breadwinner.U all think to much of yourself .
Acting great in front of others.Have u ever seen some body died inside of the camp becos of accidents.
Think ...other people parents raise their child big enough they go serve ns.There is nothing wrong.BUt i wonder if u guys ever hear of people die inside cos of accidents.I bet u guys ever seen 1 B4.....so u all ya ya all the way.
I had see alot of cases abt in camp.Pls la i signed on 1.Any thing u say siong i do more than u guys..pls donn act as if u all are Big Daddy cool.Carry on !!!! u idiots Still dreaming...Use more brains no any how use your dick to shot other people....its so disgusting to hear youngster like u behaving like idoit and moron scolding bad words plssssssssss u are no longer in CAmp..i think u all have been brain-washing too much..
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excuse me, did u say u sign on? then why grumble so much? the reason why regulars get more dirty work than NSF is because it's their rice bowl and they need to perform in order to get their promotion. come on and be reasonable. NSF get paid $300plus and regulars are paid in the thousands.
Sometimes I really dun understand why people go and sign on and when they later regret , they start complaining as if the whole world owes them because of the situation he's in.
It's true that nobody choose to live in a poor family. But if that's ur fate, then stop grumbling and start working. So what if u see a lot of people die in front of ur eyes? If that's a benchmark to life achievements, then the mortuary people must be the greatest ard.
No matter how the person died...even it's a freak accident, life still goes on! We never stop just because somebody died, we just take that as a lesson and move on.
Yet,we must try our best to prevent such accidents from happening. Why ? Just because every single life is precious.
So we come back to the point.... do males need to serve NS? I wun give my opinion again... I post a few questions and u ponder over it.
Is every life precious? So we must do our best to save and protect lives. yes? If u are sadden seeing ur buddy die in front of ur eyes? Then in the event of a war, how will u
feel seeing not only ur buddies but also ur gf/wife, parents, children dying because of the bombing and shelling and not able to do anything. If u are capable, would u not sacrifice ur life to save all of them? Do we fight enemies with pens and papers like what we are doing now? No! We get out and fight them with guns! So to be capable to defend your loved ones, NS provide a way to equip ourselves to do it!
I give an analogy. Have u ever stepped on an ant's nest? Although an ant is so small and you can crush them so easily. Do they hesistate in defeding their home? No! All the ants will rush to your feet and bite u. Do we say the ants are stupid? No! Though eventually you will kill all the ants that climb onto ur legs, but will u reckon before stepping on an ants nest again?
Singapore is like an ant nest. Small and vulnerable. Ants know they are weak but yet sacrifices themselves for the good of the whole community. Are u not worse off than ants if u dun even want to protect ur own homeland?
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Cheers Larry n Chch! Glad to hear your views on NS.
Miken80: Nobody says NS is going to be easy and smooth going. It had its ups and down. Its bitter at times nevertheless sweet at others. Ever reminiscences about the comraderie when you r on course and roughing it out with ur coursemates? That feeling of ur friends fighting beside you, u r never alone. U eat together, train together, kanna fucked together and sleep together. Still remember the times when we were punished doing endless push ups. Yes, we were tired, throughly shagged out but everyone persisted, not wanting to disappoint their team mates. Not wanting to cost them further punishments. These are what I would call a bunch of chopsticks, united they stand, divided they fall. When you have built up such deep feelings for one another in the team, you will fight and die for one another cos you would not bear to see even one of the chopsticks being separated and broke into two by others.
About the part on vulgar language, u must be implying my sentence on getting urself a kukujiao. I apologise if you r hurt or annoyed by my comment. Its not meant to be taken in an extremely bad manner. It meant to ask you to stop complaining and do something about what you thought can be improved upon.
Furthermore you have made the choice to sign on and made it your career. Whether its a good/bad choice with help of your hindsight, you will have to be responsible for your decision. Learn to adapt and you will come out of the armed forces a better man.
Something to add on...yes, I know there are many cases of death in the armed forces, some of them happened to my friends or acquintances. Cases like the road marshall who was knocked down by a speeding car(191km/h), pointing a GPMG at another platoon mate and accidentally pulling the trigger, Guardsmen falling to their death while repelling down UH-1H, mortar blinds going off taking with it the head of another soldier and many more.... All these are unfortunate incidents but to discontinue NS and henceforth placing the lives of many Singaporeans in doubt is definitely not an option. Furthermore all these incidences had an element of human error/carelessness in them. This is inevitable in many places, not only in SAF.
Forgot something else... I have got nothing to be ashamed of...
As requested, I m from Air Defence System Division(ADSD), Republic of Singapore Air Force. Cpl Ng Ting Hwa
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N.S = National sErvice.
NOt army service but national service
me not from army.... but ...police (si bei heng ah)
gers do not need to serve in the army.
they could serve in hospitals or some other govt structure?
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hi there!
just a pt of view.
to me NS is definitely not a waste of time. It definitely birngs out the man in YOU! of course that is if you go through the siong vocations, not clerk, storeman or anything. test a human to the limit and he gives you his besT!
and to Mr Mike80. Always say if sg kana invade. Sg won't lah, at least in the short run, considering the relationship it have with USA, UK and China, a war with any other country is quite impossible. Also a us navy base is coming up in changi i think and that furthers strengthens us. And btw, just in case you have no idea, Singapore is a power in world economy too, just guess what will happen to wall street when sg gets invaded.
PS: I am a army personnel too just to tell you and i am just f***ing 18! No flame mean, just a pt or 2!!!
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Jellybaby, what you said really makes me fucking angry. What are you trying to say?!Originally posted by jelly-baby:gals cannot serve NS, we r 'protected' species..heheh...
i read somewhere, long long ago, that one of the reason that it is not compulsory for gers to serve is becos in times of war, they r the ones to be protected.
why? becos, of procreation...gers have limit to the number they can reproduce, as there is a limited number of eggs in the womb.
Whereas for the guys, the number of women they can impregnate is unlimited (well, at least quite a large number)...
So, gers r protected!
I dunno if what i say is accurate, cos i read abt this quite long ago...kekeke...
What has this protected species got to do with biology aspects of human bodies?! This is only just a typical sterotyping and taking for granted attitude that you are trying to impose on yourself. It becos you are too comfortable with your life as a gal in Singapore that you simply take things for granted and all the dirty jobs should be done by guys! Just becos you are a gal, do not imply that they are devoid of responsiblities. Just becos Singapore gals do not have to serve NS compulsory does not mean that they do not have to in the near future. Other countries do adopt such policies. You should be put under 5 months of BMT to let you understand what we guys have gone thru and let you better understand that we cannot take things for granted in life. We guys are human too...and we are also scared and need to protect ourselves too.
Since you mention that gals are protected species, then they should not demand equal status as guys and demand the same amount of benefits as guys, since guys simply do more dirty job like stupid NS and contribution to the country. Biological weaker does not make you a protected species, as you should fend for yourself too.
Wish can slap you, to wake you up. I simply depise gals like you. Go to hell! -
Aiyo,why so serious? Cool it,man!
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To the government, NS is a way of training locals to defend their own country.
To the soldiers, it means a waste of their time and resources.
Think of it this way, is mercenaries worth it?? I don't. They are just drawing a salary, a job. Not something to throw their lives away for if war comes. We have to depend on our own locals.
The issus here is about the mentality of Singaporeans. It is not about whether how rich or poor u are. Nowadays, kids are too pampered, be it male or female. I won't be surprised if gals are drafted into NS soon, just through a simpler BMT package.
Teenagers nowadays are too used to too much freedom. A little confinement, they start to make noise about it. NS is also about self-discipline. You will bring it into the working world.
In the working world, your boss is like your sergeant. If he/she doesn't like your work, SAMURA!! What's the difference??
Teenagers are also getting obese. Think of NS as a trim-n-fit system to keep your fitness in check.
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Agreed! Totally!!!Originally posted by Larry:To the government, NS is a way of training locals to defend their own country.
To the soldiers, it means a waste of their time and resources.
Think of it this way, is mercenaries worth it?? I don't. They are just drawing a salary, a job. Not something to throw their lives away for if war comes. We have to depend on our own locals.
The issus here is about the mentality of Singaporeans. It is not about whether how rich or poor u are. Nowadays, kids are too pampered, be it male or female. I won't be surprised if gals are drafted into NS soon, just through a simpler BMT package.
Teenagers nowadays are too used to too much freedom. A little confinement, they start to make noise about it. NS is also about self-discipline. You will bring it into the working world.
In the working world, your boss is like your sergeant. If he/she doesn't like your work, SAMURA!! What's the difference??
Teenagers are also getting obese. Think of NS as a trim-n-fit system to keep your fitness in check.
Think about it. There are more pros than cons in NS. May apore forever sing...... (free....dom!, ala Braveheart) singapore
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Hmmm...maybe i shd have put a disclaimer...wat i said was something i read in the newspapers and not my own view!!!! pls read my post PROPERLY....and dun go around anyhow slap ppl...i DIDNT say dat i WONT serve NS, i was just stating a past newspaper article that explained why women are usually not required to serve NS. in no part of my posting did i mention that i did not want to serve NS. pls read properly before u jump to conclusions...U HAVE TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD ME!!!! and how dare u wanna slap me when u didnt even read my posting correctly!!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!!!Originally posted by Ande Tan:Jellybaby, what you said really makes me fucking angry. What are you trying to say?!
What has this protected species got to do with biology aspects of human bodies?! This is only just a typical sterotyping and taking for granted attitude that you are trying to impose on yourself. It becos you are too comfortable with your life as a gal in Singapore that you simply take things for granted and all the dirty jobs should be done by guys! Just becos you are a gal, do not imply that they are devoid of responsiblities. Just becos Singapore gals do not have to serve NS compulsory does not mean that they do not have to in the near future. Other countries do adopt such policies. You should be put under 5 months of BMT to let you understand what we guys have gone thru and let you better understand that we cannot take things for granted in life. We guys are human too...and we are also scared and need to protect ourselves too.
Since you mention that gals are protected species, then they should not demand equal status as guys and demand the same amount of benefits as guys, since guys simply do more dirty job like stupid NS and contribution to the country. Biological weaker does not make you a protected species, as you should fend for yourself too.
Wish can slap you, to wake you up. I simply depise gals like you. Go to hell! -
jelly-baby: Sting him! sting him jelly-baby
Ande Tan: Ouch! ouch!!
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Use your brains lah!!
What a few bombs can flatten Singapore?
Name me what weapon lah!! DUH!
Even a Mark-84 2000-lb bomb can merely explode 1/4 of Orchard MRT station only....and that's the biggest bomb any fighter plane can carry.
Of course we're not talking about nuclear here...and there are only a few countries in the world with nuclear weapons, and none are in SouthEast Asia.... -
Let's not talk emotionally...
Take a look at real figures and stats:
======AirForce Strengths======
Singapore:
F-16A/B : 7
F-16C/D : 42
IF-16DJ : at least 8
E-2C : 4
Fooker 50: 8 (Destroy Ships at 90km)
A4-SU : 60+
(To be replace by Rafale or F/16D by 2010)
F-5S/T : 49 *including 4 RF-5 Photo-Spy
Malaysia:
MIG-29 : 15 (6 without spares to fly)
F/A-18D : 8
F-5E/F : 23 (Unable to fire AIM-120)
AWACS : Zero
British Hawk : 22
Indonesia:
F-16A/B : 12 (4 without spares to fly)
A4E : 30 (only 20+ flyable)
British Hawk : estimated 20+ ?
AWACS : Zero
F-5E/F : 10
** Our neighbourings countries have ZERO AWACS (early warning aircraft that detects enemies at 300 km range). While Singapore have 4 such aircrafts - the E-2C AWACS.
You can see them flying around the CCK, Jurong everyday. Its the slow flying aircraft with a big dish that detects planes 300km away, and planes taking off at Malaysia/Indonesia.
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Indonesia and Malaysia's F-5 can only fire AIM-9P which can kill planes at 15km range. While Singapore's F-5S/T can fire AIM-120 which shoots enemy planes down at 40km range.
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Singapore's IF-16DJ is a special plane that only USAF and IAF have. This plane can penetrate and destroy enemy air defenses without being shot down, due to its special "Electronic Warfare" jammers.
Our neighbours have NONE of these.
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SIngapore pilots are trained by USAF, and have scored equal/better scores in USAF's Red Flag exercises.
Neighbour countries train by themselves in primitive methods.
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Given our large airforce and navy, with modern weapons, we can easily take control of the skies without much worry -
I would rather them let those who wishes to furthur study to be abroad to be exempted so that they can get their degree faster and we can rely on less foreigners doing the job for us !!
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have to agree with larry on everything that he has said so far in this thread. while ns will seem tedious and pretty useless, it does take a substantial amount of time to assess and build up a soldier both physically and mentally.
and i think most guys who have been through ns will know the true strength of the saf, and the premise that if we ever have to go to war with our neighbouring countries, singapore will be destroyed, but nothing will be left of the other party as well.
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Please bear in mind that these figures (wherever you got it) are only figures that the respective countries had released. The actual number might be a lot higher.Originally posted by visture:Let's not talk emotionally...
Take a look at real figures and stats:
======AirForce Strengths======
Singapore:
F-16A/B : 7
F-16C/D : 42
IF-16DJ : at least 8
E-2C : 4
Fooker 50: 8 (Destroy Ships at 90km)
A4-SU : 60+
(To be replace by Rafale or F/16D by 2010)
F-5S/T : 49 *including 4 RF-5 Photo-Spy
Malaysia:
MIG-29 : 15 (6 without spares to fly)
F/A-18D : 8
F-5E/F : 23 (Unable to fire AIM-120)
AWACS : Zero
British Hawk : 22
Indonesia:
F-16A/B : 12 (4 without spares to fly)
A4E : 30 (only 20+ flyable)
British Hawk : estimated 20+ ?
AWACS : Zero
F-5E/F : 10
** Our neighbourings countries have ZERO AWACS (early warning aircraft that detects enemies at 300 km range). While Singapore have 4 such aircrafts - the E-2C AWACS.
You can see them flying around the CCK, Jurong everyday. Its the slow flying aircraft with a big dish that detects planes 300km away, and planes taking off at Malaysia/Indonesia.
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Indonesia and Malaysia's F-5 can only fire AIM-9P which can kill planes at 15km range. While Singapore's F-5S/T can fire AIM-120 which shoots enemy planes down at 40km range.
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Singapore's IF-16DJ is a special plane that only USAF and IAF have. This plane can penetrate and destroy enemy air defenses without being shot down, due to its special "Electronic Warfare" jammers.
Our neighbours have NONE of these.
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SIngapore pilots are trained by USAF, and have scored equal/better scores in USAF's Red Flag exercises.
Neighbour countries train by themselves in primitive methods.
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Given our large airforce and navy, with modern weapons, we can easily take control of the skies without much worry
And to the subject of "Singapore can't defend herself".....I would say Singapore will rather adopt the strategy of "Strike First B4 they Strike you". Even if the hostile country managed to overpower us in the end, at least we have minimized our damage by inflicting enough damages on them.
Finally, I just want to tell those guys that have yet to taste army life......It is ain't that bad!!! At least I have enjoyed it.....most of it in fact....!! And like some of the pple here mentioned, BMT is indeed a very enlightening phase in my life.
PS: You forgot to mention the AH-64 Apache attack helicopters we recently acquired! They certainly are impressive if you are to see them up close(I HAVE)!!!
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True,our hardware is more impressive than our immediate neightbours,but what of our attitude to it?Superior hardware is of no use if the soldiers are not willing to fight as history have proven,ehehe
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DO you noe there is such thing as disruption in NS. If you study good, talk you are superior, register uni. If you get in, ask of deferment. You can go uni first and get degree then go back serve. I got a few friend do that, some who come back to continue serve so they treat NS like a break after all the stress in Uni.
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Guys.........just like to post some of my thoughts. I have read through most posts; I agree with people like Larry that NS is essential in the defence of the nation. Since Singapore is so small..we definitely need NS to survive in a war. Even if we do fall but we fall after a fight, not some kuku fat sitting duck like other countries.
But I think the Army and Air Force (I have neber been in the Navy) are a bit lost in their focus. This is especially true for Army. Sometimes we just fail to recognise the true purpose of havint NS. NSF sometimes I must admit are being abused. Like for example, when National Day comes, the unit or Division in charge of the event have to give up so much on their training commitment and do the stupid rehearsals and preparations. And to sum it all up, we are not being appreciated by the public at all. Maybe people will think more postively if the public shows some appreciation towards the NS poeple.
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Where is Montgomery? I thought I am supposed to meet him for lunch????.....