Originally posted by maskedangel:
u ASSUME that im a malay.
haha. genetic pool of warrior?
u play to much game izzit? LMAO!!!
u muz be some fugly creature, dog and horse?
mix breed say mix breed la.
By the way you write and the vulgarity of your language, it only proves more that you are a rude,crude and uncouth malay. Not all malays are as uneducated as you are... By you prove to be one of the majority of malays that are as stated above.
My point was that malays are decendents of cowards. Not that malays are cowards. But by your vulgar and senseless post it only pin points to what kind of person of your race you are...
The malays should be ashamed to have you being one of them.
why look back ?
lets go forward
we are singaporeans now
Originally posted by fudgester:That is ONE theory that you have put forth. What I have put forth is ANOTHER theory.
What that really disturbs me is that you take one theory and use it as a thinly-veiled attack on the ancestors of Malays. As maskedangel has put it.... What the hell is your point, then? You're happy that the ancestors of Malays were runaways? And you take that fact and label them all as cowards?!?!
As this website says: Origins of the word 'Melayu':
'..... If one were to be a poor padi farmer constantly robbed and looted by the marauding armies of Srivijaya, Majapahit, Jambi, Chola and countless others, it would probably be quite sensible to pack up and move to somewhere relatively safer and quieter.....'
So.... they run away from pestilence, strife and war, and that makes them cowards, huh?
Pfft. You're a troll. Get outta my sight. Stop befouling my eyes with your senseless posts.
yes that does proves them as cowards... the story that i have put forward did say that the javanese and siam was going for war... How about the javanese ppl of their tribe who needed them. The malays ABANDONED them. Thus having less manpower=more bloodshed.
the javanese WERE their tribes ppl, one of their ppl... But the malays RAN AWAY leaving the ones that stayed to fight...
From Wiki:
History
The Malay people are believed to have originated in Borneo and then expanded outwards into Sumatra and later into the Malay Peninsula.[citation needed] These people were descendants of Austronesian-speakers who migrated from the Philippines and originally from Taiwan. The main foundation of this school of thought lies in the fact that the oldest Malay settlements have been discovered in Sumatra and not in the Malay Peninsula. This suggests an upward - south to north - migratory route. Malay culture reached its golden age during Srivijayan times. Malays practiced Buddhism, Hinduism, and their native Animism before converting to Islam in the 15th century.
Etymology
According to the History of Jambi, the word Melayu originated from a river with name Melayu River near to Batang Hari River of today's Muara Jambi, Jambi province of Sumatra, Indonesia. The founder of Malacca, Parameswara was a prince of Palembang which was once owned by a nation called "Malayu" back in the seventh century. Yi Jing (635-713) clearly recorded in his journal book a nation of name 'Ma-La-Yu' existed. According to archaeological research of Jambi, large numbers of ancient artifacts and ancient architectures of Melayu have been found with photo evidence.
The word "Malay" was adopted into English via the Dutch word "Malayo", itself from Portuguese "Malaio", which originates from the Malay word "Melayu". According to one popular theory, the word Melayu means "migrating" or "fleeing", which might refer to the high mobility of these people across the region (cf. Javanese verb 'mlayu' means "to run", cognate with Malay verb 'melaju', means "to accelerate") or perhaps the original meaning is "distant, far away" (cf. Tagalog 'malayo')
Another theory holds that the name refers to the Tamil word Malai Yur which means "Land of Mountains" (malai means mountain and yur means land), a reference to the hilly nature of the Malay Archipelago.
Btw TS, whatever your book said is just one popular theory
Read the various theories above.
Anyway, for most Malays in the past, they are simple folk who fish for a living
And it is very common for them to move around looking for better fishing grounds.
It is incorrect to assume that all Malays in Singapore and Malaysia are here because they fled a war
I dont get why the malays in this thread(not all) have a problem with their ancestors being cowards... Your ego cant take it?
One e.g. caucasion australians are decendents of the british convicts... Do they care... NO... But do they know about yes...
I do agree with gunner77
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:I dont get why the malays in this thread(not all) have a problem with their ancestors being cowards... Your ego cant take it?
One e.g. caucasion australians are decendents of the british convicts... Do they care... NO... But do they know about yes...
I do agree with gunner77
Are you sure everyone who is against what you are saying is Malay
Again, we need source, i am quite curious as to what this textbook is about and where it come from
Second, you have to prove your theory or whatever gooblegook you come out with before concluding that the Malays are in denial about their ancestors' history
Originally posted by elindra:From Wiki:
Btw TS, whatever your book said is just one popular theory
Read the various theories above.
Anyway, for most Malays in the past, they are simple folk who fish for a living
And it is very common for them to move around looking for better fishing grounds.
It is incorrect to assume that all Malays in Singapore and Malaysia are here because they fled a war
I have read before on the theory of human migration and where the malays come from... But how did they get there....
From my knowledge, not all malays decended from the fleeing javanese. After the fleeing javanese(most malays), ppl from java, orang minang(padang), boyan, bugis etc came to malaysia and singapore but joined in the malay society and their true heritage have long dissapeared...
Did I say all of the malays in s'pore and m'sia decended from the fleeing javanese? What I am sure about is MOST malays decended from that group... Thus having the name Melayu which is from the javanese language fleeing.
Of they are moving from one place to another to find a better fishing ground why not call it another name? if someone where said that I am melayu with the javanese language, I surely will be offended...
I doubt the melayu is from the tamil.
Originally posted by laurence82:Again, we need source, i am quite curious as to what this textbook is about and where it come from
Second, you have to prove your theory or whatever gooblegook you come out with before concluding that the Malays are in denial about their ancestors' history
It's in sch textbook... Cannot find at the net... Anyways, not all sources can be found in the internet...
Originally posted by elindra:
Are you sure everyone who is against what you are saying is Malay
actually no... The once who's is not scolding me vulgarities and going into total defense mode, I may be of other racial background...
Originally posted by elindra:
Are you sure everyone who is against what you are saying is Malay
actually no... The ones who's is not scolding me vulgarities and going into total defense mode, they may be of other racial background...
Originally posted by elindra:
Are you sure everyone who is against what you are saying is Malay
actually no... The ones who's is not scolding me vulgarities and going into total defense mode, they may be of other racial background...
at the very least, give the name of the textbook, and what level it was being taught at
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:I have read before on the theory of human migration and where the malays come from... But how did they get there....
From my knowledge, not all malays decended from the fleeing javanese. After the fleeing javanese(most malays), ppl from java, orang minang(padang), boyan, bugis etc came to malaysia and singapore but joined in the malay society and their true heritage have long dissapeared...
Did I say all of the malays in s'pore and m'sia decended from the fleeing javanese? What I am sure about is MOST malays decended from that group... Thus having the name Melayu which is from the javanese language fleeing.
Of they are moving from one place to another to find a better fishing ground why not call it another name? if someone where said that I am melayu with the javanese language, I surely will be offended...
I doubt the melayu is from the tamil.
again, source please
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:I have read before on the theory of human migration and where the malays come from... But how did they get there....
From my knowledge, not all malays decended from the fleeing javanese. After the fleeing javanese(most malays), ppl from java, orang minang(padang), boyan, bugis etc came to malaysia and singapore but joined in the malay society and their true heritage have long dissapeared...
Did I say all of the malays in s'pore and m'sia decended from the fleeing javanese? What I am sure about is MOST malays decended from that group... Thus having the name Melayu which is from the javanese language fleeing.
Of they are moving from one place to another to find a better fishing ground why not call it another name? if someone where said that I am melayu with the javanese language, I surely will be offended...
I doubt the melayu is from the tamil.
If you read the post I posted earlier, Melayu can mean 'migrating' too, though another meaning is 'fleeing'
So if they are migrating, Melayu is applicable too.
You doubt 'Melayu' comes from Tamil language
But that is also a theory like your Javanese theory
And according to your theory, if you flee a war, you are a coward
This is applicable to any race that fled from a war in their country. This can be applicable to the whole damn world man
Originally posted by laurence82:again, source please
some of the info, others have sourced it to wiki.
My story is from A level history textbook(go buy it yourself), and some from a few malay teachers...
Tons of Malay folk are also of Boyanese, Bugis and Orang Asli descent, and their ancestors were certainly not cowards.
Maybe you have something against refugees in general, which means you won't spare the people who fled the Boxer Rebellion either.
Originally posted by Kuali Baba:Tons of Malay folk are also of Boyanese, Bugis and Orang Asli descent, and their ancestors were certainly not cowards.
Maybe you have something against refugees in general, which means you won't spare the people who fled the Boxer Rebellion either.
Not to mention the Vietnamese who fled the Vietnam war
Or any other wars in general
Before i embarrass u further, Melayu comes from the Sanskrit words , "Mala" meaning hills and "Ur" meaning towns..Thus, hilltowns..since thats where the first Orang laut or early Malays are found settling...
get ur facts right leh TS..where were u when GOD was giving out brains?
And since he refuses to state the title of the textbook (not every college uses one or the same one), I wonder what he's trying to cover up - his cretinism perhaps?
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:some of the info, others have sourced it to wiki.
My story is from A level history textbook(go buy it yourself), and some from a few malay teachers...
Name please
Originally posted by White_SoulReaper:
you malay is it? Sorry if I have offended your kind.
no, not at all, but i cherish racial harmony.
My Malay History textbook, name Kau Ada Otak Tak?, concurs with what Masters has just said
dont believe, please go buy and see it for yourself
Heck you can't really argue about Sanskrit words
Even some English words come from Sanskrit