I believe girls should not be educated
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Originally posted by rainee:
Eh, sorry but I disagree. The cost of living has nothing to do with women joining in the workforce. If women did not come in, the men would still be able to do something among themselves to boost the economic growth...unless you are saying they are not capable of doing that.
It is more like the more civilised we are, the more things come up in life, the more we need to spend to accomodate those needs...those countries have lower living cost because they are not so advanced yet and they do not have so many needs compared to us. Not because the women are not at work.
you see, an increase in the workforce is one of the major drivers of economic growth. without the critical mass, economic growth would be substantially slower. women have played a part in economic growth, which is why they are now trapped in a vicious cycle which is the rat race.
This. should not have happened in the first place. Because right now, society is paying for it
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
the point is .. i didnt make any request in the first place.i dont know why you love indulging in these childish tricks
and please try to learn what the word 'ambiguous' means (and spell it properly too), before using it and making a fool of yourself.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
in modern concept, feminist means support equal rights for woman. female chauvinist means thinking woman is superior than men.
Still neither.If I'm anything, I'm nothing more than an observer and a humanist
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Originally posted by parn:
You did but you just chose to deny it that's all.It would be more effective if you copied and pasted from his passage.
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
you see, an increase in the workforce is one of the major drivers of economic growth. without the critical mass, economic growth would be substantially slower. women have played a part in economic growth, which is why they are now trapped in a vicious cycle which is the rat race.
This. should not have happened in the first place. Because right now, society is paying for it
Even without the women, there will still be others who will come in to increase the workforce. For example, foreigners, etc. I don't think women should take blame for this.
Like this might as well say it is good for our economy not to grow, then everything will stay stagnant, our cost of living will not increase..but is that what you want for our country?
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
you see, an increase in the workforce is one of the major drivers of economic growth. without the critical mass, economic growth would be substantially slower. women have played a part in economic growth, which is why they are now trapped in a vicious cycle which is the rat race.
This. should not have happened in the first place. Because right now, society is paying for it
think technology advancement also plays a part. without the technology advancement, economic growth will be much much slower. -
Originally posted by Beautiful951:
It would be more effective if you copied and pasted from his passage.
I just don't want to spoil him and spoon feed him too much.
He wasn't one of my favorites to begin with...unlike.........
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Originally posted by parn:
I just don't want to spoil him and spoon feed him too much.He wasn't one of my favorites to begin with...unlike.........
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Originally posted by Detached:
I don't think you share the same understanding of the word 'birthright'. Birthright is the basic entitlement that someone is entited to from birth. If you refuse to acknowledge that the right to education that everyone, female or not deserves from birth, wouldn't that make you a barbaric pig?
The issue at hand has exactly to do with policies. You complained that by 'putting incredible (and unfair) workloads on women, leads to the undeniable plummeting birth rate", so shouldn't this government implements policies to help increase the birth rate? A little self-contradictory there, chum.
I didn't say that the role of a caregiver is inferior, and in my previous post, I honor the role of a modern woman - juggling work and family.
If the solution to the 'undeniable plummeting birth rate' is to take women out of school and ban them from society, I'd like to ask, what difference are you from Hitler, who saw the jews as a problem?
Oops, I just read through my own post and found myself a tad too aggressive. Pardon me, DCZ... I'm just a li'l overly passionate when it comes to discourse like this
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Originally posted by skythewood:
you have a favourite?
:PYou stay focus on him please.
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Originally posted by Detached:
I don't think you share the same understanding of the word 'birthright'. Birthright is the basic entitlement that someone is entited to from birth. If you refuse to acknowledge that the right to education that everyone, female or not deserves from birth, wouldn't that make you a sexist pig?
The issue at hand has exactly to do with policies. You complained that by 'putting incredible (and unfair) workloads on women, leads to the undeniable plummeting birth rate", so shouldn't this government implements policies to help increase the birth rate? A little self-contradictory there, chum.
I didn't say that the role of a caregiver is inferior, and in my previous post, I honor the role of a modern woman - juggling work and family.
If the solution to the 'undeniable plummeting birth rate' is to take women out of school and ban them from society, I'd like to ask, what difference are you from Hitler, who saw the jews as a problem?
1. what gives you the authority to claim that education is a birthright? And even more so, at the expense of the perpetuation of human civilisation ? Do you not realise that this 'birthright' is a retardation of nature that has led to falling birthrates in all the places that have it implemented?2. you took two different answers of mine, to stake your claim on policies. i said that policies are not an issue, because my stand is that education is a retardation of natural process which should not have happened. Nothing to do with 'what should be done now'.
3."You complained that by 'putting incredible (and unfair) workloads on women, leads to the undeniable plummeting birth rate", so shouldn't this government implements policies to help increase the birth rate?" - that is your assumption, not mine. I didnt say the government should do something. All im saying is that the incredible workloads should not have happened in the first place.
4."to take women out of school and ban them from society" - when did i ever say that ? I'm saying education for females undermines natural process. I never suggested any of your radical, psychotic measures.I am arguing on a purely theoretical basis. And you are putting words in my mouth and using the Hitler card as a logical fallacy.
5.I dont know why you are comparing me to Hitler, but Hitler didnt take Jews out of school, he took them out of the world. Alittle different there eh ? And im not even saying that girls should be taken out of school. So stop assuming
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Originally posted by parn:
I just don't want to spoil him and spoon feed him too much.He wasn't one of my favorites to begin with...unlike.........
Its your choice.
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Originally posted by parn:
I just don't want to spoil him and spoon feed him too much.He wasn't one of my favorites to begin with...unlike.........
dont give your lousy excuses when you can clearly not find fault with me. -
Originally posted by parn:
:PYou stay focus on him please.
ok, but he is busy debating with detached, so i will observe for now. -
But i thought this was closed ><!
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Originally posted by skythewood:
ok, but he is busy debating with detached, so i will observe for now.
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
dont give your lousy excuses when you can clearly not find fault with me.
I can.....this quoted sentence is incorrectly formed.I can have typo error, but I can't phrase your mumbai english.
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i don mind if my future wife is stupid.
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Originally posted by Ajen:
i don mind if my future wife is stupid.
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Originally posted by parn:
I can.....this quoted sentence is incorrectly formed.I can have typo error, but I can't phrase your mumbai english.
stupid girl, there is nothing wrong with the sentence. it is grammatically and syllogistically sound, with syntax beyond your ken.
don't understand right ? ok dont bother =)
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
stupid girl, there is nothing wrong with the sentence. it is grammatically and syllogistically sound, with syntax beyond your ken.
don't understand right ? ok dont bother =)
speaking of ken...
Shoryuken!
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Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:
1. what gives you the authority to claim that education is a birthright? And even more so, at the expense of the perpetuation of human civilisation ? Do you not realise that this 'birthright' is a retardation of nature that has led to falling birthrates in all the places that have it implemented?2. you took two different answers of mine, to stake your claim on policies. i said that policies are not an issue, because my stand is that education is a retardation of natural process which should not have happened. Nothing to do with 'what should be done now'.
3."You complained that by 'putting incredible (and unfair) workloads on women, leads to the undeniable plummeting birth rate", so shouldn't this government implements policies to help increase the birth rate?" - that is your assumption, not mine. I didnt say the government should do something. All im saying is that the incredible workloads should not have happened in the first place.
4."to take women out of school and ban them from society" - when did i ever say that ? I'm saying education for females undermines natural process. I never suggested any of your radical, psychotic measures.I am arguing on a purely theoretical basis. And you are putting words in my mouth and using the Hitler card as a logical fallacy.
5.I dont know why you are comparing me to Hitler, but Hitler didnt take Jews out of school, he took them out of the world. Alittle different there eh ? And im not even saying that girls should be taken out of school. So stop assuming
Okay, that must be your way of saying 'apology accepted'.
“We have made education compulsory and every child has the right to education, health and security” -Mr Masagos Zulkifli BMM, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Ministry of Education and Ministry of Home Affairs, at the CHERISH Conference
Really, you can continue pushing all the blame to this birthright, women and education. I won’t attempt to debate an outdated/fundementalistic viewpoint, it’s less than worthy.
I understand your stand now, really. You claimed that ‘education is a retardation of natural process which should not have happened’, ‘incredible workloads should not have happened in the first place’ and ‘nothing to do with what should be done now’ inferred that you aren’t interested in a solution.
I’m not calling you a modern day Hitler, he was a charismatic public speaker and I don’t see it in you – with all due respect. It was an analogy for all its worth.
This is a new era and a modern world, today’s society and economy had long past those days of man going on a hunting trip. If you can’t accept educated women in the society due to the “undeniably plummeting birth rate’, I’d suggest you start building a time machine.
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Originally posted by Detached:
Okay, that must be your way of saying 'apology accepted'.
“We have made education compulsory and every child has the right to education, health and security” -Mr Masagos Zulkifli BMM, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Ministry of Education and Ministry of Home Affairs, at the CHERISH Conference
Really, you can continue pushing all the blame to this birthright, women and education. I won’t attempt to debate an outdated/fundementalistic viewpoint, it’s less than worthy.
I understand your stand now, really. You claimed that ‘education is a retardation of natural process which should not have happened’, ‘incredible workloads should not have happened in the first place’ and ‘nothing to do with what should be done now’ inferred that you aren’t interested in a solution.
I’m not calling you a modern day Hitler, he was a charismatic public speaker and I don’t see it in you – with all due respect. It was an analogy for all its worth.
This is a new era and a modern world, today’s society and economy had long past those days of man going on a hunting trip. If you can’t accept educated women in the society due to the “undeniably plummeting birth rate’, I’d suggest you start building a time machine.
I don't recall anyone here not being able to accept educated women, just checked the news, nope none of us jumped out of the window after finding out that almost 99% of the women we've met are educated.
Detached, I understand that this subject must be very touchy, perhaps you yourself are a lady. However this forum is for purely debate, theres no need for these frenzied attacks on the proposition. Hyperion may not be as charismatic as Hitler, however he is sharp and articulate and has made fairly valid points. I do not see you making any, please back up your arguments in future.
No one of us is denying the RIGHT of women to be educated, nor are we planning to lock them up at home. We simply think that they should STICK to their GENDER RELATED ROLES. There is nothing GENOCIDAL (hitler) or CHAUVINISTIC about that. Since god or whatever entity decided since the dawn of time that women should do that (look at the traits we have already posted in the previous pages).
I reinforce the point that homemaking is a very very NOBLE job. There is nothing chauvinistic about thinking women should perhaps stay at home to look after the children. Who else would? Your maid? And in a few months time your child would be calling you "mam".
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Originally posted by Detached:
Okay, that must be your way of saying 'apology accepted'.
“We have made education compulsory and every child has the right to education, health and security” -Mr Masagos Zulkifli BMM, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Ministry of Education and Ministry of Home Affairs, at the CHERISH Conference
Really, you can continue pushing all the blame to this birthright, women and education. I won’t attempt to debate an outdated/fundementalistic viewpoint, it’s less than worthy.
I understand your stand now, really. You claimed that ‘education is a retardation of natural process which should not have happened’, ‘incredible workloads should not have happened in the first place’ and ‘nothing to do with what should be done now’ inferred that you aren’t interested in a solution.
I’m not calling you a modern day Hitler, he was a charismatic public speaker and I don’t see it in you – with all due respect. It was an analogy for all its worth.
This is a new era and a modern world, today’s society and economy had long past those days of man going on a hunting trip. If you can’t accept educated women in the society due to the “undeniably plummeting birth rate’, I’d suggest you start building a time machine.
I initially found your earlier response very aggressive, but your apology more than makes up for it. I'm sorry if you found my own response too harsh.
But in the spirit of debate i'd like to reply to your latest post.
“We have made education compulsory and every child has the right to education, health and security” -Mr Masagos Zulkifli BMM, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Ministry of Education and Ministry of Home Affairs, at the CHERISH Conference - you must realise that no one person can define a birthright. It is a complicated concept, but from my point of argument, the concern is the natural process of human civilization, which is undermined by the fact that education is interpreted as a birthright.
"I understand your stand now, really." - I am very glad to be debating with someone who is welcome to alternative viewpoints, and I respect your arguments as much.
"I’m not calling you a modern day Hitler, he was a charismatic public speaker and I don’t see it in you – with all due respect." - That is out of point. I never said you were comparing me with Hitler in terms of character and attributes. But you did compare me to Hitler in terms of viewpoints and opinion."If you can’t accept educated women in the society due to the “undeniably plummeting birth rate’, I’d suggest you start building a time machine." - I can accept that, and im perfectly comfortable with it. What i'm saying is that in the long run it will hurt society and thus should not have happened. Im not hoping for it to stop, nor am i planning to stop it.
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Originally posted by Danielhuang88:
I don't recall anyone here not being able to accept educated women, just checked the news, nope none of us jumped out of the window after finding out that almost 99% of the women we've met are educated.
Detached, I understand that this subject must be very touchy, perhaps you yourself are a lady. However this forum is for purely debate, theres no need for these frenzied attacks on the proposition. Hyperion may not be as charismatic as Hitler, however he is sharp and articulate and has made fairly valid points. I do not see you making any, please back up your arguments in future.
No one of us is denying the RIGHT of women to be educated, nor are we planning to lock them up at home. We simply think that they should STICK to their GENDER RELATED ROLES. There is nothing GENOCIDAL (hitler) or CHAUVINISTIC about that. Since god or whatever entity decided since the dawn of time that women should do that (look at the traits we have already posted in the previous pages).
I reinforce the point that homemaking is a very very NOBLE job. There is nothing chauvinistic about thinking women should perhaps stay at home to look after the children. Who else would? Your maid? And in a few months time your child would be calling you "mam".
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Will come back to this, currently busy