Diploma in Game Design and Development (SP) - How feasible?
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Yes this is like the previous dead thread, me too is interested in game design and development . I am not wanting to slack either and i know how it's like, i rmb i coded a stage for a game taking like 6 hours+ (it's on game spot) so i really dun mind hard work ,(probably as long as it is on computer). I am not like those gamers who think making sophisticated games is easy
I am in my O level now, yes sad year, i am really very interested in game developement. I probably not so much into design as i am not so interested in art, but the making of games. oh yea the thing is ,-i dun like studying , but i can really work whole day on my computer though.
from the previous thread, it really is confusing to read, there is encouraging post and extremly discouraging post,
the positive:
-Yea go ahead... as long as you create fun games for gamers like me to play in the future
-yes i believe that this is a course which requires lotsa passion. and if you can make it, go ahead. there's nth better then studying what you like, and working in a job that you like as well.
-Yea since you’ve got the passion for the course, then go for it.
-One gaming company?
Actually there are loads of gaming companies in Singapore........
If i had the money i would love to go high on digital animation and game design......and i would also open my own gaming company and studio and also be one of the first Singaporean company to produce an international CG movie......
I wish it would come true someday......i can just imagine being the director of a game and get the best crew in Singapore so that we can make a name for our country....
&more...Pessimistic-
-worse is games design course. spore can dream of making US hit games like maple leave or little fighter, at the most they'll work for Nestle to design pathetic children games distributed to kids for free wif evry purchase of Nestle.
haiz..i dont think this course is good la. leads to nowhere one. unless u can secure a position in square-enix ,capcom or EA games,etc. if not.
right now, in singapore, there are alot of games companies set up locally, but as the industry is still in infancy stage, they are now still gaining experience by starting with casual games, mobile games, etc.
if you're talking about the PC / PS2 / xBox games industry, it doesn't even exist.
if you're talking about those small-time, Java-based little games for mobile phones, we do have a small but slowly-growing market here.
the industry for mainstream gaming (PC / console) won't be established in the next couple of decades.Most of this opinions aren't 100% correct, for example ,there is ea in singapore-
EA's Game Development Studios:
EA operates its global Headquarters in Redwood Shores, California and with regional headquarters in Geneva Switzerland and Singapore. In addition, EA has worldwide studios in the following locations: BioWare, Edmonton, Canada; Black Box, Vancouver, Canada; Bright Light, Guildford, U.K.; Criterion, Guildford, U.K.; Digital Illusions, Stockholm, Sweden; EA Montréal, Canada; EA Redwood Shores, California; EA Salt Lake, Utah; EAC (Canada), Burnaby, Canada; EALA (Los Angeles), California; Maxis, Emeryville, California; Mythic, Fairfax, Virginia; Pandemic, Los Angeles, California; Phenomic, Frankfurt, Germany; The Sims, Redwood Shores, California; Tiburon, Florida; Hyderabad, India; Bucharest, Romania; Shanghai, China; Seoul, Korea; Singapore; Pandemic, Brisbane Australia; Melbourne, Australia&
Singapore is EA's regional hub for Asia Pacific and home to a growing and vibrant EA Development Studio. With 2 studio locations around the island and the main office in the heart of the city at Centennial Tower, the studio focuses on localization of EA games into different Asian languages for distribution throughout the region. In addition, the development operation in Singapore is also growing rapidly in the development of online games for the region.
Edit: the map i created was more of a stage ( tower defense)
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THere's an institute in Singapore where you can further your Game Design studies. I just cannot remember what is the name of the institute. There are benifits and bad sides to every course. It's your interest and future. You should decide.
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hmm... exact same interest as my O level student...
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Ah ok. I remember already. The institute is called DigiPen. However, it's not just develop games practically only. You still have to study.
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I feel that it is very important for you to make a wise choice as enjoying the course will help a lot in getting you motivated to do your work. I was previously from a game designing course in NYP but have since transferred out.
What you would mainly do is programming. So yes, you will spend loads of time on your computer typing out coding for the games & homework would be lots of memorizing. There are 2 kinds of game design courses though, 1 more towards the technical side & the other is more towards the drawing & designing side.
It would be good & the prospects are actually quite good in the future as SG is looking to expand itself on the creative industries. LucasArts recently opened a branch in SG & now is actually a great time to pursue game designing as a career.
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Originally posted by shadez:
I feel that it is very important for you to make a wise choice as enjoying the course will help a lot in getting you motivated to do your work. I was previously from a game designing course in NYP but have since transferred out.
What you would mainly do is programming. So yes, you will spend loads of time on your computer typing out coding for the games & homework would be lots of memorizing. There are 2 kinds of game design courses though, 1 more towards the technical side & the other is more towards the drawing & designing side.
It would be good & the prospects are actually quite good in the future as SG is looking to expand itself on the creative industries. LucasArts recently opened a branch in SG & now is actually a great time to pursue game designing as a career.
Why did u tranfer out? what are u in now? and what are u planing next?
oh yea and why do i need memorizing?u mean memorizing codes? i though if u grasp to concept of it u'll understand how things work, and code from there, or just refer and slowly get it in ur brain as u use them.
btw eagle u are tutoring that O level student now?
and i'll rmb to look up digipen, ty guys ,please post more insights
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Looked at digipen, well it's abit new so not all the course are out yet in singapore but by the time i graduate it probly evolved, oh yea it seem they loot to acedemic alot , i think..=( which i doesn't like nor good at. so i think i'll still may go for this institute after i graduate =D.It's a really good institute, it have the degree im looking for- Game Developer
anymore insight for the poly course? i have extreme interest in it, and i dun mind coding all day! (which i tried before while scripting maps) so u think i should go for it? coz i dun see any other course i should consider
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hohoho
game design is something i will never want to touch. because i know what isit!
look at codes all day long!
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Why did u tranfer out? what are u in now? and what are u planing next?
oh yea and why do i need memorizing?u mean memorizing codes? i though if u grasp to concept of it u'll understand how things work, and code from there, or just refer and slowly get it in ur brain as u use them.
I transferred out because i realized that programming wasn't the thing for me. My interest just didn't lie there. I am a more visual person & technical things bore me. I'm currently pursuing an Arts Diploma @ LaSalle.
A lot of key memorizing is involved as C++ programming has ALOT of coding to remember. I agree with what you said about getting it in your brain, but that is with many years of practice. It is tough i can assure you, but since you don't mind programming the whole day & if gaming is your passion, go for it! You'll enjoy yourself.
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Thanks shadez for sharing
, well although i script a map whole day i think it is diff from coding, but nvm at holiday-after O level i will try some coding(i bet it's still like the map scripting-whole day work),but i'll still enjoy it though, it's not about whole day coding but seeing what u made comes alive and mainly seeing other ppl play it.so yea, i think i will go for it!
oh i think i may go to digipen institute in the future and aim for game developer certificate.
oh but is there any other route? in case anything goes wrong, like is there other institute?oh and i rmb there's other game dev courses but sp one look better, coz others is catergerized in like"multimedia and animation""game design" they dun look specialised at all, too general .and i fear i cant get in sp poly, it need 14 points, is there any thing like direct poly or port folio? meaning like i request for that course first and they will secure my position more, letting me enter with below 20 points. or maybe can i get in with interview, maybe i'll make a basic game and show them my maps and other stuff that show my interest in the course.Im really worried i cant enter that course..
oh and shadez where do u plan to go after u get all ur degree ? im thinking ea singapore but there wont always be a position, so the choice in singapore are rather limited...
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you won't want to work for EA
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why ? ea dun treat employee good? or just some stereotype thinking? i rmb some say ea dun give overtime etc...
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You can consider http://www.intense-animation.com/index.html
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pursue your interests you wont regret your decision.
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Parn: that's not really much of a game company, more about animation.
sigh even if i get in the poly course and the digipen course and grad with game developer certrificate, the jobs variety is very limited in signapore, and i dun wish to leave =(
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Originally posted by Cybercrashx:
Parn: that's not really much of a game company, more about animation.
sigh even if i get in the poly course and the digipen course and grad with game developer certrificate, the jobs variety is very limited in signapore, and i dun wish to leave =(
I see....didn't expect that you're an "expert" about this.Since you are not interested in animation, maybe you should go for the other areas in game making then.
Do you know which areas you're interested in?
Oh wait....do you even know what areas you can specialise in game making?
I hope an "expert" like yourself can tell me what areas you're interested in developing/nurturing in the game making industry.
If you really think your diploma course is going to make you a one-person game creator, then you are just too naive.
I just thought it would be better for you to be an ace of one trade than a joker of all trades.
But I must be wrong to have higher expectations for you.
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Originally posted by Cybercrashx:
Parn: that's not really much of a game company, more about animation.
sigh even if i get in the poly course and the digipen course and grad with game developer certrificate, the jobs variety is very limited in signapore, and i dun wish to leave =(
Fret not I think that u can get jobs in the IT field if u know programming language. And the pay is attractive in that field as well. -
i mean it isint specific on gaming, it's more on video animation,not much relation to game production.
and im goign to look for a company to join, if you really think im going to make game alone u must be psychotic. but still i think at my free time im gonna make some simple 2d game, like flash. not some fps game that u expect
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Originally posted by Cybercrashx:
i mean it isint specific on gaming, it's more on video animation,not much relation to game production.
and im goign to look for a company to join, if you really think im going to make game alone u must be psychotic. but still i think at my free time im gonna make some simple 2d game, like flash. not some fps game that u expect
If you do not have enough interest towards a gaming related career to look it up and research about it on google, then what makes you think you really like that diploma course and you are going to do well in it?As far as I can see, you're just lazy and hoping by entering and studying some cool courses like game design & development, you will be shaving some easy money and hoping that your peers might be seeing you very de up.
You must be super naive to have such imaginations. Up till now, I still cannot comprehend which part of the education systems or upbringing actually nurtures such hopeless imaginations in Singaporeans nowadays.
You won't make any game even if you're free during your free time, simply because you're just too plain lazy and you have no idea what kind of game you are going to make.
Is your own home-made game ever going to be good enough for anyone else to enjoy? I don't think you will even enjoy the game that you have created if you can come up with any good idea for a game or if you can even create one at all.
Before you reply any further, you should first do some research on the internet regarding the diploma course that you want to pursue and the kind of "cool" jobs that you have always imagined to work as in your future. And you must be really good at what you are doing first and have your own portfolios ready before your employers would even want to consider you for any position in your future companies.
Animations is already the most fun part of the game creation process, unless you want to be a game-tester?
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i already looked it up it was mostly about animating videos, yea i am interested in that but not as a career, and regardign the diploma it's game design and developement, on sp, there some course alike in other poly but it isint as good. well if scripting for like 6 hour + is lazy , i really doubt what ur capable of. i have my own concepts and idea of small games i would like to make, but that's just part time stuff, it will the most bring 100 buck from the ads put at my game a month that's all.oh fyi, i do have my map up on gamespot, i have no idea who put it up though, it took me liek 6+ hours of scripting, if u think ur so hard working and efficient , come up with something as good, if u cant , take ur criticism and fk off
Are u somesort of typical singaporean out-casted faggot? which can instantly jump to conclusion without much consideration with ur miniture brain. you can simply make assumption with no evidence at all, well i doubt most of ur post are relevent to the topic, when someone ask for a game developer carrier position, u give them some video animation company that make cold storage ads showing apple and milk boxes jumping around. sigh sadly this forum have unintellectual people like you posting near 5k of crappy post around,how sad.
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I would actually recommend you to apply @ NYP as they have a more intensive "game production" programmes than SP. Under the SIDM (School of Interactive Digital Media), there are 2 courses: "Diploma in Digital Entertainment Technology" & Diploma in Digital Media Design". These courses, one of which i was from, are intensive programmes that REALLY focus mainly on games.
What i would like to know is which part of the game production cycle are you most interested in? Is it a) the creative side or b) the technical side?
You can enter via "Special Admission Exercise"(?) using portfolio, which was how i got in. Just bring your created game levels & you should be able to get in. Most important is to show your passion during the interview.
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oh and shadez where do u plan to go after u get all ur degree ? im thinking ea singapore but there wont always be a position, so the choice in singapore are rather limited...
Quite honestly, i've not got an ideal job in mind. Most preferbably something in the creative industry, fashion design or graphic design. The course i'm in now focuses on creating interfaces (eg. Wii Remote, PS3 controllers...etc) so i might pursue that job scope.
Personally though, i detest office jobs where i have to wear a shirt & pants everyday. The great thing about designing companies (even game companies) is that they don't require you to dress formally. Wearing shorts & tee to work is the norm. That's what i'm aiming for...
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think shadez's advice to go NYP is pretty good.
there are usually 3 "parts" involved in making a game
1) Programming (coding / creating the game engine)
2) Art (concept, 3d modelling and animation)
3) Design (Level / map design, and gameplay design)
from what you mentioned, seems like you want to do the 3rd "part".
NYP does have courses that caters to that, as mentioned by shadez :)
though what you mentioned is right. there are not many jobs in sg for designers (most go to the art and programming side), but there are also very few people who actually study and are good at game design. so it's still a viable option for you, if that is your interest. -
Originally posted by Cybercrashx:
i already looked it up it was mostly about animating videos, yea i am interested in that but not as a career, and regardign the diploma it's game design and developement, on sp, there some course alike in other poly but it isint as good. well if scripting for like 6 hour + is lazy , i really doubt what ur capable of. i have my own concepts and idea of small games i would like to make, but that's just part time stuff, it will the most bring 100 buck from the ads put at my game a month that's all.oh fyi, i do have my map up on gamespot, i have no idea who put it up though, it took me liek 6+ hours of scripting, if u think ur so hard working and efficient , come up with something as good, if u cant , take ur criticism and fk off
Are u somesort of typical singaporean out-casted faggot? which can instantly jump to conclusion without much consideration with ur miniture brain. you can simply make assumption with no evidence at all, well i doubt most of ur post are relevent to the topic, when someone ask for a game developer carrier position, u give them some video animation company that make cold storage ads showing apple and milk boxes jumping around. sigh sadly this forum have unintellectual people like you posting near 5k of crappy post around,how sad.
Your course does not only involves scripting for games, if it is...then you should pick another course as this is a useless course.Why don't you try to tell people in the gaming industry that you have scripted for like 6hrs+ for a silly map and uploaded it on gamespot?
You might get alot of blank stares followed by unlimited LOLs from them. If they kept quiet, it also doesn't means you're good...it just meant they are either trying to hold back their laughter or they think you're just another idiotic kid from Singapore.
Anybody also can upload their game maps on gamespot, so who are you trying to fool around here? And if you are not the only person in the world that can create game maps with the map making tools provided by the game. <--- Don't you know that? And if you do know it's nothing special, is there any cause for you to brag about it?
If you can't even handle animations or create them, then you certainly are not ready to be a game developer.
What do you think you're going to test your game on? Stick Man is it?
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Originally posted by hamu:
think shadez's advice to go NYP is pretty good.
there are usually 3 "parts" involved in making a game
1) Programming (coding / creating the game engine)
2) Art (concept, 3d modelling and animation)
3) Design (Level / map design, and gameplay design)
from what you mentioned, seems like you want to do the 3rd "part".
NYP does have courses that caters to that, as mentioned by shadez :)
though what you mentioned is right. there are not many jobs in sg for designers (most go to the art and programming side), but there are also very few people who actually study and are good at game design. so it's still a viable option for you, if that is your interest.
Please branch it out all the parts more clearly for the naive TS.There are alot more parts in game creation than TS have imagined.