belief in god VS athiest
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Therefore the summary is,
Beliefs can help people cope with their irrational fears.
Believe all you want but be always conscious that they are only beliefs and not reality or truths.
Making decisions based on delusions, illusions and beliefs is a no no and you should only make decisions based on reality, facts and logical conclusions.
If you feel that you do not have the intellectual capabilities to form logical conclusions based on facts (and are unable to determine fact from fiction), you should join a mainstream religious organisation (and not even split offs from the main organisation like the Christian and Muslims split-offs).
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If u ask me, science very much can explain everything we see. The beauty of science is tat once it stated something, it is true due to logical deductions and not thinking. Believing the universe is created is more like philosophy. U believe because u think it is true, not because it is shown to be true. Some people think the universe is created by an intelligent being. However there r countless possibilities such as unintelligent event, some wierd coincidence and etc. U think it is true because u like it to be true. Whether it has shown to be true doesn't matter to philosophy.
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Originally posted by Beautiful951:
Yes. But inside of many of us, are many fears. Of the dark and many others. Are you saying that you have no fear of anything irrational?
The root of all fears is the fear of death. When you overcome your fear of death, all that's left is peace and tranquility.I say let go of your will and desire to live, and everything falls into place. by letting go, you will enjoy every moment of life
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Originally posted by crimson soldier:
The root of all fears is the fear of death. When you overcome your fear of death, all that's left is peace and tranquility.I say let go of your will and desire to live, and everything falls into place. by letting go, you will enjoy every moment of life
So well put, reminds me of something I wrote a long time ago....
"In order to live,
life in excellence, you die."
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
If u ask me, science very much can explain everything we see. The beauty of science is tat once it stated something, it is true due to logical deductions and not thinking. Believing the universe is created is more like philosophy. U believe because u think it is true, not because it is shown to be true. Some people think the universe is created by an intelligent being. However there r countless possibilities such as unintelligent event, some wierd coincidence and etc. U think it is true because u like it to be true. Whether it has shown to be true doesn't matter to philosophy.
I never disputed what i chose to believe in may or may not be true. It's just a personal line of thought. But i think at the core at every healthy belief should be the willingness to accept that whatever we know is only based on what we previously have contact with and should be modified to fit new experiences and knowledge.Like i said, Science explains the laws of how everything around us function. It also approaches a subject from only one line of thought and would limit what you can understand from it. Much the way America's been trying to push their brand of democracy across the world and failing quite badly at it.
Agreed, science is a lot more trustable than the major religions you would have no arguments from me on that. Recent discoveries and experiments has already demostrated how limited and stonewalled our brains are at perceiving the world around us, where happiness is only the input of "happy" chemicals.
I pursue my line of thought to give myself a different way of looking at something. I don't really see it as undeniable truth.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
I never disputed what i chose to believe in may or may not be true. It's just a personal line of thought. But i think at the core at every healthy belief should be the willingness to accept that whatever we know is only based on what we previously have contact with and should be modified to fit new experiences and knowledge.Like i said, Science explains the laws of how everything around us function. It also approaches a subject from only one line of thought and would limit what you can understand from it. Much the way America's been trying to push their brand of democracy across the world and failing quite badly at it.
Agreed, science is a lot more trustable than the major religions you would have no arguments from me on that. Recent discoveries and experiments has already demostrated how limited and stonewalled our brains are at perceiving the world around us, where happiness is only the input of "happy" chemicals.
I pursue my line of thought to give myself a different way of looking at something. I don't really see it as undeniable truth.
I disagree on the statement that "Science ... also approaches a subject from only one line of thought".
In fact, Science encourages different lines of thought, otherwise how are the following assumptions corrected?
- earth is flat
- earth is at the centre of the world
- room-temperature water freezes faster than warm waterScientists are always questioning and improving science, even for the established theories like Quantum Mechanics and Theory of Relativity. If a scientist can prove that an established theory is wrong, his reputation improves.
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Originally posted by kilfer:
I disagree on the statement that "Science ... also approaches a subject from only one line of thought".
In fact, Science encourages different lines of thought, otherwise how are the following assumptions corrected?
- earth is flat
- earth is at the centre of the world
- room-temperature water freezes faster than warm waterScientists are always questioning and improving science, even for the established theories like Quantum Mechanics and Theory of Relativity. If a scientist can prove that an established theory is wrong, his reputation improves.
What he means is that science does not waste its time with rubbish, useless, illogical speculations and of course he is right. Why would science waste its time on moronic theories that have no good basis? Science is a discpline. Stupidity is just stupidity.
Obviously science will not go in search of the Pink Unicorn just because some idiot or a whole congregation of idiots say the Pink Unicorn spoke to them.
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The only one line of thought made by science it tat is must be based on facts.
Frankly speaking I find tat is the right way to established facts
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There is only one single entity which disapproves God since science can't. That is plain stupidity.
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Yes, disapproves of God. brilliant.
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You got play 4-D and TOTO before????
Then you are indeed a believer.
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
You got play 4-D and TOTO before????
Then you are indeed a believer.
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My point is that when you are hoping for something almost miraculous to happen to you that means you are ready to believe in anything and believing in God is the easy part.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
Yes, disapproves of God. brilliant.
The proof of a supernatural being and supernatural phenomenons or what a believer would call 'miracles'(no matter how small) is far numerous than you might think. -
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
The proof of a supernatural being and a supernatural phenomenon or what a believer would call a 'miracle'(no matter how small) is far numerous than you might think.Sure..... by supernatural phenomenon you mean something that cannot be explained by science. like, name some.
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Originally posted by kilfer:
I disagree on the statement that "Science ... also approaches a subject from only one line of thought".
In fact, Science encourages different lines of thought, otherwise how are the following assumptions corrected?
- earth is flat
- earth is at the centre of the world
- room-temperature water freezes faster than warm waterScientists are always questioning and improving science, even for the established theories like Quantum Mechanics and Theory of Relativity. If a scientist can prove that an established theory is wrong, his reputation improves.
Logically that's how it's supposed to work, but scientists are just as prone to politics as much as anyone else. I'm just saying in practice it's a lot more complex and less clear cut when you put humans and their biase into the equation.And to work with reason is to assume you have all the facts and most of the time you don't. You would always have to assume such numbers are indisputable when you don't have the capability to measure them. I mean there are still different camps on whether humans are causing global warming and scientists are still divided on whether we have hit Peak Oil/Population.
Again, i do not say that scientific approach is wrong. I'm just stating that it is flawed when you put in the human factor because you would always have to assume certain things as facts. It's not that clear cut as 1+1.
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depend on how u grade events... some say it is coincidence, some says it is normal, some say it is expected... some say it is a miracle...
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
My point is that when you are hoping for something almost miraculous to happen to you that means you are ready to believe in anything and believing in God is the easy part.
When god gives you what you want then god is great.What god doesn't give you what you want then it is a test, then he/she/it still is great!
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science is the best system human can have now. And science is proven to work by all the scientific products we see around us.
And there is so many religions around tat most of them r surely wrong
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What is science?
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
science is the best system human can have now. And science is proven to work by all the scientific products we see around us.
And there is so many religions around tat most of them r surely wrong
Yes but which scientist do we chose to believe?Religion(AKA worship of god/gods) is to me outdated and is impeding human progress rather than improving it. But even in the age of reason and science, we're still going to be prone to making faith based conclusions.
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
science is the best system human can have now. And science is proven to work by all the scientific products we see around us.
And there is so many religions around tat most of them r surely wrong
religion also have their products. Like the cross they wear around their neck to ward off evil/vampire... The holy water which can... i don't know what holy water does.
Than got the tailsman that you are suppose to burn and drink... and stabbing yourself and walking on fire, which is suppose to be miracles of those who are believers, but was proven to be able to be done by non believers too...
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We could have been exploring the galaxy by now...