Born muslim converts to other religion
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OMG! When this going to end?
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Originally posted by mhcampboy:
joins monoslayer....
kns.. i tot u has something sensible to contribute..
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I believe very soon mod will close this thread
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May this be REPEATED and understood by all of you.
Osama is of Islamic religion, but his actions ARE not IN ANY WAYS according to the Islamic law.
Osama is a pefect example of a terrorist stereotype.
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Originally posted by vertmonyet:
May this be REPEATED and understood by all of you.
Osama is of Islamic religion, but his actions ARE not IN ANY WAYS according to the Islamic law.
Osama is a pefect example of a terrorist stereotype.
This is another way religion was/is used to further ones own goals.
Lets get back to the MAIN topic.
Being a muslim, I have seen my fair share of discrimination and hatred to the converts, to muslims etc. I can say the TS has a very hard choice to make. I say follow your heart. God made you that way, and that way shall it be. Each one of us has our future planned for us. If you are afraid about your parents, just try and talk to them. Make them understand why. But don't make it seems like you are dragging them in as well. People get VERY touchy when you try to change their beliefs (ahem).
I'm not going to hate anyone for changing religions. I don't see the point. I regularly discuss religion with some of my friends, comparing and sharing. Christians, Muslims and Jews are all very similar, religion wise. The core moral values should stay even as you switch. As long as you don't join one of those racist groups, pro-extremist cells (not all extremists are muslims).
Peace, and may God be with you, whichever path you choose
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Originally posted by Raraken:
This is another way religion was/is used to further ones own goals.
Lets get back to the MAIN topic.
Being a muslim, I have seen my fair share of discrimination and hatred to the converts, to muslims etc. I can say the TS has a very hard choice to make. I say follow your heart. God made you that way, and that way shall it be. Each one of us has our future planned for us. If you are afraid about your parents, just try and talk to them. Make them understand why. But don't make it seems like you are dragging them in as well. People get VERY touchy when you try to change their beliefs (ahem).
I'm not going to hate anyone for changing religions. I don't see the point. I regularly discuss religion with some of my friends, comparing and sharing. Christians, Muslims and Jews are all very similar, religion wise. The core moral values should stay even as you switch. As long as you don't join one of those racist groups, pro-extremist cells (not all extremists are muslims).
Peace, and may God be with you, whichever path you choose
Amen or Amin to that.
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Originally posted by Raraken:
This is another way religion was/is used to further ones own goals.
Lets get back to the MAIN topic.
Being a muslim, I have seen my fair share of discrimination and hatred to the converts, to muslims etc. I can say the TS has a very hard choice to make. I say follow your heart. God made you that way, and that way shall it be. Each one of us has our future planned for us. If you are afraid about your parents, just try and talk to them. Make them understand why. But don't make it seems like you are dragging them in as well. People get VERY touchy when you try to change their beliefs (ahem).
I'm not going to hate anyone for changing religions. I don't see the point. I regularly discuss religion with some of my friends, comparing and sharing. Christians, Muslims and Jews are all very similar, religion wise. The core moral values should stay even as you switch. As long as you don't join one of those racist groups, pro-extremist cells (not all extremists are muslims).
Peace, and may God be with you, whichever path you choose
You are a rare gem. So objective in talking on the topic on religion, people like you are hard to come by.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
You are a rare gem. So objective in talking on the topic on religion, people like you are hard to come by.
ya, i tot so..very sensible post by far from a muslim..
im proud of u.. i mean raraken.
heehee..
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Originally posted by Kyutake:
Your language please do watch it. I never use a single vulgarity on you so do NOT! use a single one on me. You lack the respect to be given for the TS. Everyone here is supporting his decision, standing by him when as we all know, many muslims discriminate those who convert out of Islam. Many people here agree that we are not attacking your religion. We are merely supporting him. The TS's decision. Kudos? Do you even understand what other people meant before ranting away and flaming everyone else here especially dumbdumb? And for you to call him dumb does that make you clever? NO! i believe he is intelligent to a certain extent but not dumb. Because if he is, he would be as insensitive as you are. Im lazy to quote the previous posts that you wrote but i will just tell those who have the spare time to go it through one by one that it is extremely obvious that your theories and pleas of self wallow are totally and i seriously mean totally contradicting and simply pointless.
AND ARE YOU TRYING TO START A WAR HERE!?
Whats with the indians and the other races? What "if his indian nobody would judge?" So now your implying that only malays will be judge by Islam and those indian muslims are not of equality againts malays( Muslims)? This is the reason why i said your arguments are pointless, selfish and totally incorrigible. Stop being that hypocrite behind the screen. This thread is to show TS support! Not allowing you here to hurl your stupid and senseless vulgarites at people. You prolly broke a TON of forum rules already. Here is a gentle reminder before you scold other people's mum female dog, remember that we are all the same. So that makes your mum one too if you ever scold someone else. before you say people, remember to judge your ownself.
To TS, If you need strong support pm those who have shown you support. Its about time an admin or someone of rank comes and lock this thread before our princess here flames the whole of singapore.
Oh and just in case you do not know~ OSAMA~ is Islamic. Read real hard and understand throughly before you start to fire your bazookas.
thanks. =)
like i said.. some people are just myopic, probably because she has her head stuck up her own arse.. which explains why she has those "shit-for-brains" ideas about this situation.
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*joins mono and campy*
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Originally posted by Raraken:
This is another way religion was/is used to further ones own goals.
Lets get back to the MAIN topic.
Being a muslim, I have seen my fair share of discrimination and hatred to the converts, to muslims etc. I can say the TS has a very hard choice to make. I say follow your heart. God made you that way, and that way shall it be. Each one of us has our future planned for us. If you are afraid about your parents, just try and talk to them. Make them understand why. But don't make it seems like you are dragging them in as well. People get VERY touchy when you try to change their beliefs (ahem).
I'm not going to hate anyone for changing religions. I don't see the point. I regularly discuss religion with some of my friends, comparing and sharing. Christians, Muslims and Jews are all very similar, religion wise. The core moral values should stay even as you switch. As long as you don't join one of those racist groups, pro-extremist cells (not all extremists are muslims).
Peace, and may God be with you, whichever path you choose
Finally got orang who is setia to his ugama
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Originally posted by Raraken:
This is another way religion was/is used to further ones own goals.
Lets get back to the MAIN topic.
Being a muslim, I have seen my fair share of discrimination and hatred to the converts, to muslims etc. I can say the TS has a very hard choice to make. I say follow your heart. God made you that way, and that way shall it be. Each one of us has our future planned for us. If you are afraid about your parents, just try and talk to them. Make them understand why. But don't make it seems like you are dragging them in as well. People get VERY touchy when you try to change their beliefs (ahem).
I'm not going to hate anyone for changing religions. I don't see the point. I regularly discuss religion with some of my friends, comparing and sharing. Christians, Muslims and Jews are all very similar, religion wise. The core moral values should stay even as you switch. As long as you don't join one of those racist groups, pro-extremist cells (not all extremists are muslims).
Peace, and may God be with you, whichever path you choose
If only some people could be as wise and objective as you are. Lets not forget we are here to show support and give sensible advices and not attack or be disappionted with TS.
**Fantagf machiam in love like that lols~
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Originally posted by Isaac Casanova:
I am a born Muslim and now in the journey of getting myself baptized in the Catholic faith. I went through many years of hesitations and I've finally find myself at peace with the catholic faith. I'm hoping that everyone around would assist me in this journey towards the path of god. I've received my calling and I've felt god in ways I'm unable to describe. I want to build a relationship with god and not fear him. But as I go more in depth in the catholic faith, I realize that the transition from being a Muslim to a Catholic is not easy. I've receive my share of challenges.
My dear brothers/sisters, are you able to assist me with the following queries:
How discreet would me as a convert be between my family and me? I do not want to disclose any information regarding my faith to my family yet as I do not wish to jeopardize my close knit relationship with my mother. I understand that its not easy for any Muslim parent to be able to receive the news but I'm head strong with my decision in my faith. I believe I'm past the legal age to make my own decision and I do have my legal rights to keep this matter from them. I love my family but I'm loving god more. I've read from many other threads saying that its wise to inform the parents about the change of faith, but i want you to understand unlike any other religion, converstion from the muslim faith to any other religion is different. Muslim parents and tremendously strict and its somehow impossible to bring them to understand. I either loose a family or loose my faith.
How do I go about this journey legally? I've heard from past converts that MUIS will want to meet me personally for a few counseling sessions is this true?
Anyone was a muslim and convert out of the religion?
It is strange. What is the difference whether you are a Catholic or Muslim? They are just beliefs. You can believe anything you want. There is no proof, no evidence, no nothing whether Roman Catholism is right or Islam is right.
If you tell me that you want to give up your beliefs and live in reality, that might be significant. Since Islam and RC are both mainstream (I choose to believe and if I don't nothing changes) religions, why bother to switch?
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Originally posted by Isaac Casanova:
I am a born Muslim and now in the journey of getting myself baptized in the Catholic faith. I went through many years of hesitations and I've finally find myself at peace with the catholic faith. I'm hoping that everyone around would assist me in this journey towards the path of god. I've received my calling and I've felt god in ways I'm unable to describe. I want to build a relationship with god and not fear him. But as I go more in depth in the catholic faith, I realize that the transition from being a Muslim to a Catholic is not easy. I've receive my share of challenges.
My dear brothers/sisters, are you able to assist me with the following queries:
How discreet would me as a convert be between my family and me? I do not want to disclose any information regarding my faith to my family yet as I do not wish to jeopardize my close knit relationship with my mother. I understand that its not easy for any Muslim parent to be able to receive the news but I'm head strong with my decision in my faith. I believe I'm past the legal age to make my own decision and I do have my legal rights to keep this matter from them. I love my family but I'm loving god more. I've read from many other threads saying that its wise to inform the parents about the change of faith, but i want you to understand unlike any other religion, converstion from the muslim faith to any other religion is different. Muslim parents and tremendously strict and its somehow impossible to bring them to understand. I either loose a family or loose my faith.
How do I go about this journey legally? I've heard from past converts that MUIS will want to meet me personally for a few counseling sessions is this true?
Anyone was a muslim and convert out of the religion?
Hi Isaac yes in the end you might have to risk between your family or your relationship with God as a Catholic. But there's nothing impossible with God if you trust Him. I'm a Catholic myself, from your writings it seems you love God so much. When in doubt I suggest you pray and called God father in your prayer. It always brings me peace to greet God with the word father so I think it will do that to you too.
May God bless you, keep you and turn and shine His face upon you.
You're always welcome to PM me.
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and just an encouragement.. but to be honest, i had it easier than you will have it.
my dad nearly threw me out of the house for being a christian, and we had alot of problems at home.
but, God intervened and now my family's worshipping God together, and my dad's a real fine leader in church now.
so, ya.. as what miracle said, God can intervene. we'll be praying for you.
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HALLUJUAH! or haleluya? sorry i cant spell hebrew.
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baik ah raraken! glad you are on our side man. aniwaes TS think carefully first. you might gain a new faith but you MIGHT lose your famlily. im just saying my piece mans...
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Originally posted by Kyutake:
HALLUJUAH! or haleluya? sorry i cant spell hebrew.
It is hallelujah! Means Praise the Lord! -
im seriously curious. Princess mentioned air wudhu and zikir. What are those!?
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Almost every society whether it is here in rainy escape-prone Singapore or in debt-ridden America, most people are sensitive on issues regarding religion. May get flamed for this, but I do question Issac's motive for creating such a thread here. After all if he needed support there is church and there are far more Christian/Catholic forums that can cater to him, (did he read the pamphlets and books to new converts?) Kinda make me question Issac real motive for posting here, really sympathy or Trolling?
Last but not least i will like to know how the response will be if some1 started a thread here about a Catholic who converted to say Islam and ask for support here too and how every1 here in this thread will respond. Not so nice when the shoe is in the other foot
PS: Morale of the story is no matter which religion u are, if u convert to other religion, U WILL be obstracized or shunned by your community from past religion. Only time may and may not heal these rifts.
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Originally posted by Hellraiza:
im seriously curious. Princess mentioned air wudhu and zikir. What are those!?
Air Wudhu is ablution prior to the 5 daily prayers or special prayers by which every Muslim needs to take. Sequential from rinsing your mouth, your face, your arms, your forehead upwards, your ears and your legs.
Zikir or Dzikir is a prayer where you are at one with Him..u immerse yourself deeply in this prayer and you use the rosary beads specifically for Muslim use to pray..akin to speaking in tongues in some denominations of Christianity.
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Originally posted by Northboundsnow:
Almost every society whether it is here in rainy escape-prone Singapore or in debt-ridden America, most people are sensitive on issues regarding religion. May get flamed for this, but I do question Issac's motive for creating such a thread here. After all if he needed support there is church and there are far more Christian/Catholic forums that can cater to him, (did he read the pamphlets and books to new converts?) Kinda make me question Issac real motive for posting here, really sympathy or Trolling?
Last but not least i will like to know how the response will be if some1 started a thread here about a Catholic who converted to say Islam and ask for support here too and how every1 here in this thread will respond. Not so nice when the shoe is in the other foot
PS: Morale of the story is no matter which religion u are, if u convert to other religion, U WILL be obstracized or shunned by your community from past religion. Only time may and may not heal these rifts.
Everyone must be allowed a voice, no matter where, regardless if it is by the roadside or in the hallowed halls of Parliament.
We are no longer the uneducated citizens of the 60s. While we may not be masters of knowledge for education is never ending, we do have the sufficient intelligence to critically analyze and rationalize another's perception and views.
We must never fear the spoken word, for fortifide with our faith and comprehension, we can either consider it or resoundingly thrash such thoughts. But NEVER to deny a person a voice, even such as yours.
The more we claim sensitivity, political correctness, the more such voices will be attuned underground and will only do more harm to society.
Rather, lets us have our arms outstretched, palms facing upwards and with a genuine respectful open heart to seek understanding, without fear or favour. It is only with thorough understanding that we can leave this world a better place for you and me and our next generations to come.
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I believed tat some people who state tat catholic and muslim r almost the same religion to be misleading. They r not the same and the believers, including the family of the TS, probably do not believe so.
1) If u chose to be public about your real belief, prepare for a backlash. All those friends who have the same religion as u will probably shunned u and have nothing to do with u. The ties of friendship or relation cannot overcome zealous religious convictions. Unless your family is not deeply convicted in your religion, u r going to see arguments, probably disowning and fights. Your new religion gonna offer little practical help except praying for u. Of course things may turn out to be fine in the end if they convert to your religion. However a whole group of muslim converting to catholic is highly unlikely and can cause a deep rift between the two groups of believers
2) If u chose to remain the same religion, then obviously if the new religion is the right one, u r going to hell. (U can end up in heaven if the old religion is the right one though) U r going to follow practices u do not believe in and tis can be frustrating
U r an adult. Choose your road yourself. Why not take some time too cool down before committing ? It is like divorce... it is going to be messy
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
I believed tat some people who state tat catholic and muslim r almost the same religion to be misleading. They r not the same and the believers, including the family of the TS, probably do not believe so.
1) If u chose to be public about your real belief, prepare for a backlash. All those friends who have the same religion as u will probably shunned u and have nothing to do with u. The ties of friendship or relation cannot overcome zealous religious convictions. Unless your family is not deeply convicted in your religion, u r going to see arguments, probably disowning and fights. Your new religion gonna offer little practical help except praying for u. Of course things may turn out to be fine in the end if they convert to your religion. However a whole group of muslim converting to catholic is highly unlikely and can cause a deep rift between the two groups of believers
2) If u chose to remain the same religion, then obviously if the new religion is the right one, u r going to hell. (U can end up in heaven if the old religion is the right one though) U r going to follow practices u do not believe in and tis can be frustrating
U r an adult. Choose your road yourself. Why not take some time too cool down before committing ? It is like divorce... it is going to be messy
Isn't it a surprise that an avowed atheist - one who denies the existance of God and the rejection of God's word and its affairs should be participating in godly issues, worse still dishing out advice on godly matters?
While no one is a model of religious perfection, at least the religious do not deny the existance of a higher being. Atheist, in a free society, do have a right to spout their godless nonsense, but have they no sense of shame of their own credibility? -
Originally posted by xtreyier:
Isn't it a surprise that an avowed atheist - one who denies the existance of God and the rejection of God's word and its affairs should be participating in godly issues, worse still dishing out advice on godly matters?
While no one is a model of religious perfection, at least the religious do not deny the existance of a higher being. Atheist, in a free society, do have a right to spout their godless nonsense, but have they no sense of shame of their own credibility?well.. i think stupidissmart is just being rather upfront and honest about it.
like you said.. everyone must be allowed a voice. =)
and i agree with him - islam and christianity, even though both are considered abrahamic religions, aren't the same.
and this fact is reflected by the reactions of either parties when someone converts