How far do you agree that Singlish is gibberish?
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
I do come across minority of Singaporeans who do not speak Singlish. These people I admire.
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Not true that older people don't speak Singlish. I know of many of them who speak Singlish. They love saying "You got eat or not" "Got one time ah . .. . . .. . " "Open the light . . . . .. " "Got school tomorrow?"
OMG! The list goes on and on.
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I do come across minority of Singaporeans who do not speak Singlish.
In order to solve the singlish problem, we must reform the education system.
Now, it is a total failure, that is why PAP regime likes to come up with speak good english campaign, don't speak singlish campaign, speak chinese campaign, all the mother fucking campaigns.
They will never go and admit that the root problem is that their mother fucking "bilingual" policy is a total and complete failure.
Lee Kuan Yew will never admit to that.
That baba bastard.
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didnt read whole thread...
i came across an article, inside there is this person who tried to defend wat china ppl think of our lousy chinese ( which includes singlish, or to be exact sing-chinese)
this person said that language, is just like a living being, where it grow up in affect its lifestyle, education, quality of life and so on... since singapore is a country consist of so many different races and religions of people, our language thus get affected by the other languages, which then gives birth to the mixed up of language (singlish, or sing-chinese)
a china man said that he agreed with wat this person said, he said that when he came over to singapore, i thought singapore chinese is very very lousy, but after 4 - 5 months, he started speaking abit of singlish or sing-chinesewell i agree with wat this person said too.. this is something we cant change.. and why should we worry so much as our country all knows singlish, it may even help to get our message across easier...
IA
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this person said that language, is just like a living being, where it grow up in affect its lifestyle, education, quality of life and so on... since singapore is a country consist of so many different races and religions of people, our language thus get affected by the other languages, which then gives birth to the mixed up of language (singlish, or sing-chinese)That is certainly true.
But you must understand that before Lee Kuan Yew changed the education policy to bilingual policy, there was no widespread "singlish".
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
That is certainly true.
But you must understand that before Lee Kuan Yew changed the education policy to bilingual policy, there was no widespread "singlish".
Are you sure it didn't exist before then?
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Language is continuosly evolving. Even Singlish today is different from yester years.
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Chew Bakar, did singlish, the current rojak fucked up english exist in the old days, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s?
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Whether speaking English, Chinese, Singlish or Malay, etc. is not important. Have you seen two people speaking perfect English to each other but yet they cannot communicate? As long as humans know how to communicate with each other, it does not matter what languages you speak. And by the way, I believe I read somewhere that English is not the most common spoken language internationally.
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Originally posted by token141:
Whether speaking English, Chinese, Singlish or Malay, etc. is not important. Have you seen two people speaking perfect English to each other but yet they cannot communicate? As long as humans know how to communicate with each other, it does not matter what languages you speak. And by the way, I believe I read somewhere that English is not the most common spoken language internationally.
I believe I read somewhere that English is not the most common spoken language internationally.Please quote to support what you said. Then I think you can stop using English. Use your own language to communicate with the world, hee hee he ee !
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
Chew Bakar, did singlish, the current rojak fucked up english exist in the old days, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s?
It does, but no like the present form, very different, more broken English than today.
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It does, but no like the present form, very different, more broken English than today.
Yes, not like the present form.
The present form evolved from the bilingual education system; the government usage of english as the administrative language and the widespread english language mainstream media.
Not to mention the suppression of dialects policy.
It is a direct result of Lee Kuan Yew's policies that singlish was borned.
The chinese fought against this bastardised lanugaue policy in the 60s and 70s but was crushed by Lee Kuan Yew, is that correct Chew Bakar?
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
I believe I read somewhere that English is not the most common spoken language internationally.Please quote to support what you said. Then I think you can stop using English. Use your own language to communicate with the world, hee hee he ee !
请看这里，哈哈：Of course, definition is depend on how you define what we mean by "most common spoken". But definitely, don't always think "Ang Mo" is big (pun not intended)...
http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/languages.htm
The Summer Institute for Linguistics (SIL) Ethnologue Survey (1999) lists the following as the top languages by population:
(number of native speakers in parentheses)- Chinese* (937,132,000)
- Spanish (332,000,000)
- English (322,000,000)
- Bengali (189,000,000)
- Hindi/Urdu (182,000,000)
- Arabic* (174,950,000)
- Portuguese (170,000,000)
- Russian (170,000,000)
- Japanese (125,000,000)
- German (98,000,000)
- French* (79,572,000)
* The totals given for Chinese, Arabic, and French include more than one SIL variety. See chart for full details.
The following list is from Dr. Bernard Comrie’s article for the Encarta Encyclopedia (1998):
(number of native speakers in parentheses)- Mandarin Chinese (836 million)
- Hindi (333 million)
- Spanish (332 million)
- English (322 million)
- Bengali (189 million)
- Arabic (186 million)
- Russian (170 million)
- Portuguese (170 million)
- Japanese (125 million)
- German (98 million)
- French (72 million)
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Wonder how an American would score in an English test from England.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Wonder how an American would score in an English test from England.
STevenson, I can confidently tell you the American will fail. I spoke to the English and they consider the Americans are using broken English. They are glad that our teaching of English in our schools here are based on British context. -
The only reason Singlish is not favoured,is due to the country that creates it.
If Singapore were to be big country and enconmical rich.Everyone in the world would have to try to speak Singlish.
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Originally posted by Worcer:
The only reason Singlish is not favoured,is due to the country that creates it.
If Singapore were to be big country and enconmical rich.Everyone in the world would have to try to speak Singlish.
How true !
This is the mechanics of sociolinguistics at work !
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Originally posted by Worcer:
The only reason Singlish is not favoured,is due to the country that creates it.
If Singapore were to be big country and enconmical rich.Everyone in the world would have to try to speak Singlish.
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
That is purely your own personal perception.Worcer's view is similar to the sociolinguistic view.
Language use is both economically and aesthetically driven.
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Originally posted by kaixax555:
I suppose Singlish is a form of colloquialism. It creates a friendly atmosphere. However, speaking in Singlish has got its disadvantages. For example, when forced to speak in formal English (job interviews), stuttering and stammering will increase. If it goes beyond the interviewer's acceptable standard of non-fluency, then there is a chance you're out.
Futhermore, Singlish is only understood by people in Singapore. It has got zero value out of Singapore.
After seeing my side of the arguement, are you convinced to speak in proper English? If you feel that it sounds peculiar to speak proper English in the Singaporean slang/accent, speak like the natives!
If you have got a pro Singlish point of view, you are welcome to join in the debate.
I have heard people saying it gives a sense of national identity. However, to make Singlish a form of national identity is almost the same as making littering a form of national identity. Speaking Singlish reflects badly about the education you have received and should you make that a form of national identity? Bad education? Instead we should use good things to give us a sense of national identity. For example by being kind.
i can speak england fluently also
and switch around also
u weak ah
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and switch around also
There shouldn't be need to switch around.
It's not normal.
It's messed up bullshit caused by Lee Kuan Yew's rubbish policies.
That baba bastard, mess up everything.
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
There shouldn't be need to switch around.
It's not normal.
It's messed up bullshit caused by Lee Kuan Yew's rubbish policies.
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I find it abnormal that we need to "switch".
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You know in Singapore not many people can accept people speaking fluent English. For eg, i was speaking fluent English to friends and they don't really entertain that. When I switched to speaking Singlish with them they respond very well.