Do you like China?
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Originally posted by ditzy:
They have always been booming, just that you didn't notice.
no leh, China is very weak and push-over before 2000.
they got trounced and abused by almost every country that tried to invade it.
it's only around 2001 or so that the dragon really start to shake it's sleeping body, and in 2002 onwards, they started to have insane economic growth that made the world sat up.
now at this rate they're advancing, i think if China head-to-head clash with USA, China may very well win the war.
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I don't get it.. Why whine so much about China when you yourself are the issue? You are not good enough to stand on your own 2 feet and feed your own mouth?
Your system has brought you up in such a way that you are just plain used to being spoon fed all the time. U just want everything to be spoon fed to you and if you do not get it, you complain. And being the pampered child you are, you will eventually get what you want. That was the previous situation. But now it has changed.. Now the world is more open and you are being impacted by factors outside of your puny little world. And you start complaining and nothing is happening. No nannys to run after you and spood feed you. So you start whining. Great way to go buddy.
What plastic bag mentioned is true. I am working and so are many others here, so tell me if anything I state here is wrong. I have seen many a times cases where there is an opening and people from India, China and of course Singapore apply for the job. It can be a job for a guy with a diploma and our dear old locals expect to be paid 3k for it and demand all the perks and stuff. But the simple gentlemen from China or India tend to say ok to a 2.5k salary and are more loyal and work much harder too. They show much more sincerity and loyalty towards the job and company. Unlike the Singaporean who MIGHT demand much higher wages and in the end after getting all the training and stuff, resign in just under 1 year. These are facts I am talking which I have personally seen.
So who is at fault? The simple foreigner or the over-demanding, over-expecting local?
Go take a look at yourself in the mirror before commenting about others.
You think foreigners are rude? I have seen more construction workers giving up their seats to pregnant women or old people rather than the locals. I have seen more foreigners giving their way while I cycle on the footpath than the locals. I have seen more foreigners holding the lift for me than the locals. I have seen foreigners helping people by lifting heavy objects like shopping bags than locals.
In short, TS, you seriously have to take a closer look at yourself before jumping to conclusions.
And please for the sake of all, stop whining.
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Originally posted by coolgeek84:
I don't get it.. Why whine so much about China when you yourself are the issue? You are not good enough to stand on your own 2 feet and feed your own mouth?
Your system has brought you up in such a way that you are just plain used to being spoon fed all the time. U just want everything to be spoon fed to you and if you do not get it, you complain. And being the pampered child you are, you will eventually get what you want. That was the previous situation. But now it has changed.. Now the world is more open and you are being impacted by factors outside of your puny little world. And you start complaining and nothing is happening. No nannys to run after you and spood feed you. So you start whining. Great way to go buddy.
What plastic bag mentioned is true. I am working and so are many others here, so tell me if anything I state here is wrong. I have seen many a times cases where there is an opening and people from India, China and of course Singapore apply for the job. It can be a job for a guy with a diploma and our dear old locals expect to be paid 3k for it and demand all the perks and stuff. But the simple gentlemen from China or India tend to say ok to a 2.5k salary and are more loyal and work much harder too. They show much more sincerity and loyalty towards the job and company. Unlike the Singaporean who MIGHT demand much higher wages and in the end after getting all the training and stuff, resign in just under 1 year. These are facts I am talking which I have personally seen.
So who is at fault? The simple foreigner or the over-demanding, over-expecting local?
Go take a look at yourself in the mirror before commenting about others.
You think foreigners are rude? I have seen more construction workers giving up their seats to pregnant women or old people rather than the locals. I have seen more foreigners giving their way while I cycle on the footpath than the locals. I have seen more foreigners holding the lift for me than the locals. I have seen foreigners helping people by lifting heavy objects like shopping bags than locals.
In short, TS, you seriously have to take a closer look at yourself before jumping to conclusions.
And please for the sake of all, stop whining.
Have you ever considered why are singaporeans demanding more from their boss?Simply because we have more expenses to pay than the foreigners. We have to support ourself, wife, children and parents. Even with a salary of 3k is still not enough for all these expenses.
The foreigners come here to work a few years, save enough money than go back to their country and become rich people over there. Of course they can demand a lower salary.
Go take a look at yourself first and hope you realise how naive you are. If you are a Singaporean, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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Originally posted by rahzy:
All your cursing won't be making China weak man, they already have advancement in technology that puts them up there with the US army. And they spend so much on military is not to conquer Taiwan. Taiwan is already theirs, they just trying to not let taiwan go, so there's no conquering here, it's their own sovereignty issues but other people want to kaypoh and make China look bad. Besides, they've made such great economic advancements neglecting other things, so they are making up for military advancements now, and US spends greater amounts of they're GDP on military than China does. And US is lagi arrogant, China is pissed off and keeping them in check and helping the rest of the world which is 'not on the US' side' get back on their feet.
They aren't technically stealing your job unless you see yourself cleaning toilets and waiting on tables in kopitiams or something. And just cause a few are home wreckers doesn't mean they all are. If Chinese women had a chance you think they would rather come here and let people like you curse at them than stay in their own homes.
China also has like 1.3 trillion USD somewhere in their backyard, you think your measly donation is a big deal huh. Singapore has to suck up to China more than China has to to Singapore luhh. Singapore benefits so much from China just that you don't see it. If China wasn't great Singapore won't be so kan cheong to sign free trade agreement with China
China is far worst than USA. China only care about themself. They can't be bothered about terriorism and all other world issues. USA still bothers and even donates money to poorer countries despite the fact that their economy is weak. That is how noble they are. Sure, they do make some mistakes like attacking Iraq. But humans all make mistakes.So you are saying we have to pity those china women who come here to seduce our guys and breakup our homes?
You are real stupid and naive to the core!
Oh. So now Singapore makes a donation to China and we have people now saying that it is no big deal and China do not need it and we ahve to suck up to China.
This is what we get from being kind huh.
You should take a walk at geylang and see the whole area flooding with China prostituties than you come and tell us your naive views that only a small minority of China women are like these.
Seriously speaking, it is time naive lackeys of PAP like you wake up to reality.
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Originally posted by coolgeek84:
I don't get it.. Why whine so much about China when you yourself are the issue? You are not good enough to stand on your own 2 feet and feed your own mouth?
Your system has brought you up in such a way that you are just plain used to being spoon fed all the time. U just want everything to be spoon fed to you and if you do not get it, you complain. And being the pampered child you are, you will eventually get what you want.
We are being pampered and spoon feed huh?We guys have to serve 2 years ns and suffer for 2 years. When we go to university we have to work part time and support ourself. Foreigners come here don't have to work part time to support themself and get free scholarship to study and don't have to serve ns too.
So who is the 1 that is being pampered.
Hey childish and naive lackeys of PAP like you should really wake up!
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hazeynut said;
And it is so easy to differentiate between a China chinese and a Singapore Chinese. 1 can speak good english and chinese, the other 1 can only speak good chinese.
You must be kidding Singaporean speak good English and Chinese. Many times when I visited in native English speaking countries and I overheard Singaporeans trying to impress the locals with their good command of English, the locals just look with eyes wide open and have totally no clue what these guys were on about. In fact, there are very few who actually speak good English. And I don't mean English with fake accent. As for good Chinese, it is almost impossible to find a Singaporean who can conduct a decent coversation in Chinese without adding English, dialects or Malay all over the shop. Don't believe me! Keep your ears peeled next time you go out.
I have no comments about Mainland Chinese. They are not my concern.
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Why complain about Chinese coming here to steal jobs? Go over there and take their jobs in return. Fair is fair. You can do the same what they do to you. If you are willing to work there, you get paid better than in Singapore which is heaps better than local Chinese. If you're single, the local girls will be all over you. Isn't that better than sitting in Singapore complaining about your measly pay and work condition. Be bold, go over there and take the fight to their home turf. I know many Singaporeans who are working and living in China. Good money, nice perks, cheap living, .... What more can you ask for? After a few years, take you money and run and you can retire comfortably back home.
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Originally posted by monday blue:
Why complain about Chinese coming here to steal jobs? Go over there and take their jobs in return. Fair is fair. You can do the same what they do to you. If you are willing to work there, you get paid better than in Singapore which is heaps better than local Chinese. If you're single, the local girls will be all over you. Isn't that better than sitting in Singapore complaining about your measly pay and work condition. Be bold, go over there and take the fight to their home turf. I know many Singaporeans who are working and living in China. Good money, nice perks, cheap living, .... What more can you ask for? After a few years, take you money and run and you can retire comfortably back home.
How the hell are you capable of taking over their jobs?
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
How the hell are you capable of taking over their jobs?
No idea also what he is talking about unless some of you want to go there to prostitute yourself for free.
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Originally posted by monday blue:
hazeynut said;
And it is so easy to differentiate between a China chinese and a Singapore Chinese. 1 can speak good english and chinese, the other 1 can only speak good chinese.
You must be kidding Singaporean speak good English and Chinese. Many times when I visited in native English speaking countries and I overheard Singaporeans trying to impress the locals with their good command of English, the locals just look with eyes wide open and have totally no clue what these guys were on about. In fact, there are very few who actually speak good English. And I don't mean English with fake accent. As for good Chinese, it is almost impossible to find a Singaporean who can conduct a decent coversation in Chinese without adding English, dialects or Malay all over the shop. Don't believe me! Keep your ears peeled next time you go out.
I have no comments about Mainland Chinese. They are not my concern.
Well said.
And besides, hazeynut, you said:
We guys have to serve 2 years ns and suffer for 2 years. When we go to university we have to work part time and support ourself. Foreigners come here don't have to work part time to support themself and get free scholarship to study and don't have to serve ns too.
Work part time and support yourself? To pay 6k per semester? While some of the foreigners pay 21k per semester. Bro.. Your arguments are not credible enough la. Seriously.. How old are you? Becoz if you are anything more then abt 15, I will be appalled at your bigoted thinking. You speak as if you have never experienced the real life out there. You speak as if you know all these from just hear-say.. lol..
And to top of all that, you keep on adding something about PAP or whatever at the end.. Another big mistake.. Just assuming that myself and others are "lackeys" (God, don't you know any other word, its getting boring reading this) of PAP.. LOL! You don't even know anything about me. Going around making ASSUMPTIONS. Speaks a lot about your overly simplistic thinking. Well done :p
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
No idea also what he is talking about unless some of you want to go there to prostitute yourself for free.
You guys seriously need to think more.. Just imagine you go there and setup some innovative business. You are looking at a customer base of over 1 billion people! Here in Singapore, you get a base of 4 or at most 5 million people!
Besides that, the people over there do not have super high expectations or standards unlike the people over here. You just need to know the language and the systems over there and you can become rich just like that.. Its possible.. I have a friend who went over and started a soap business. The capital required was super low as well..
U guys seriously don't know anything other that mal-practices and vices to shoot back with?
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Better than take over their jobs. Be their bosses over there. China lacks people with commercial experience. Many MNCs are desperate for experienced people with integrity to run their operations. Many MNCs have suffered because the locals are simply not trustworthy. All of us know what corruption is like over there. With ability to speak English and Chinese and commercial experience, you'll be hot property over there. If they don't want you then you know your skills are not in demand. Then you can stay in Singapore bitching about Chinese stealing your jobs because you deserve it. There is no real borders these days. Everything is fair game. Many Singaporeans are equiped with the ability (language and skills). Just lacking one important thing, guts. Don't know what NS is for. It takes guts for them to come here. It takes guts for you to go over there. Simple logic!
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Originally posted by coolgeek84:
You guys seriously need to think more.. Just imagine you go there and setup some innovative business. You are looking at a customer base of over 1 billion people! Here in Singapore, you get a base of 4 or at most 5 million people!
Besides that, the people over there do not have super high expectations or standards unlike the people over here. You just need to know the language and the systems over there and you can become rich just like that.. Its possible.. I have a friend who went over and started a soap business. The capital required was super low as well..
U guys seriously don't know anything other that mal-practices and vices to shoot back with?
Read earlier comments about good and bad english which is open to debate.Singaporeans are beginning to flock to China to make their fortune by starting language schools.How is that for bad English???
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
Read earlier comments about good and bad english which is open to debate.Singaporeans are beginning to flock to China to make their fortune by starting language schools.How is that for bad English???
In China, you can start anything. Don't be naive about China. There's so many bogus businesses, you can't even imagine. The market is big, many people are gullible. You have the right connection, you reap the benefit. Stop thinking like a Singaporean when you're talking about China. Our rules don't apply. -
in conclusion
china chinese
have hard life
not so well educated
willing to do crappy job for shitty pay
like to con people, like to be con by peoplesingapore chinese
have pampered life
like to think they are well educated but talk crappy english
demand high pay for easy job
like to con people, like to be con by people -
Originally posted by Short Ninja:
Read earlier comments about good and bad english which is open to debate.Singaporeans are beginning to flock to China to make their fortune by starting language schools.How is that for bad English???
Like monday blue said in the next comment, you don't need to be honest and perfect to make money in China. Singaporeans at the least know conversational English and can easily teach local students from primary schools. We can teach them anything in fact. We are from Singapore, which is considered very strong in education over there. You just have to start a tuition center and start teaching English and Maths and establish a name by saying you are educated in Singapore and are from Singapore. You can make a fortune there..
Its a huge country and everyone is ready to accept what you say if you can make yourself look like a highly educated and wise person. Of course, I wouldn't recommend that method of earning money though :)
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Originally posted by PedoBear:
in conclusion
china chinese
have hard life
not so well educated
willing to do crappy job for shitty pay
like to con people, like to be con by peoplesingapore chinese
have pampered life
like to think they are well educated but talk crappy english
demand high pay for easy job
like to con people, like to be con by peopleHahahaha.. I gotta give thumbs up for your conclusion as it actually makes sense~!! lolz.. But of course both of them have exceptions. We are only talking about majorities here...
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Originally posted by PedoBear:
in conclusion
china chinese
have hard life
not so well educated
willing to do crappy job for shitty pay
like to con people, like to be con by peoplesingapore chinese
have pampered life
like to think they are well educated but talk crappy english
demand high pay for easy job
like to con people, like to be con by people
to those who are thinking of flaming me for my above post, please take note that it is not my view. it is just the conclusion that i come to after reading this thread -
Originally posted by coolgeek84:
Like monday blue said in the next comment, you don't need to be honest and perfect to make money in China. Singaporeans at the least know conversational English and can easily teach local students from primary schools. We can teach them anything in fact. We are from Singapore, which is considered very strong in education over there. You just have to start a tuition center and start teaching English and Maths and establish a name by saying you are educated in Singapore and are from Singapore. You can make a fortune there..
Its a huge country and everyone is ready to accept what you say if you can make yourself look like a highly educated and wise person. Of course, I wouldn't recommend that method of earning money though :)
Can teach English but don't try Maths. Their Maths standard is very high. You'll be bowled over even by their primary school level maths. They are not dumb, just lack opportunities. You guys just don't realise how lucky you are.
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Originally posted by coolgeek84:
Like monday blue said in the next comment, you don't need to be honest and perfect to make money in China. Singaporeans at the least know conversational English and can easily teach local students from primary schools. We can teach them anything in fact. We are from Singapore, which is considered very strong in education over there. You just have to start a tuition center and start teaching English and Maths and establish a name by saying you are educated in Singapore and are from Singapore. You can make a fortune there..
Its a huge country and everyone is ready to accept what you say if you can make yourself look like a highly educated and wise person. Of course, I wouldn't recommend that method of earning money though :)
Can teach English but don't try Maths. Their Maths standard is very high. You'll be bowled over even by their primary school level maths. They are not dumb, just lack opportunities. You guys just don't realise how lucky you are.
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Hmm yeah thats true.. I am from India myself and am a foreigner too. I learnt JC level maths in O Level over there in India.. So maybe, China maths level is the same as well..
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Originally posted by PedoBear:
to those who are thinking of flaming me for my above post, please take note that it is not my view. it is just the conclusion that i come to after reading this threadBro! I never flamed u la... =/ I said your conclusion makes sense.. ><
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Originally posted by coolgeek84:
Bro! I never flamed u la... =/ I said your conclusion makes sense.. ><
opps, i actually meant to reply to my own post, must have click yours by mistake, i am sure those pro-singapore chinese people would flame me -
Originally posted by PedoBear:
opps, i actually meant to reply to my own thread, must have click yours by mistake, i am sure those pro-singapore chinese people would flame me
*hands the Anti Flame Safety Cap* -
Originally posted by PedoBear:
opps, i actually meant to reply to my own thread, must have click yours by mistake, i am sure those pro-singapore chinese people would flame me
The truth is always hard to take. Such is life.