Sun MicroSystems Suing My SME Company?
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
No, if someone is a bully like Sun MicroSystems, we must unite to oppose it.
You and your cockball logic, normal people use their brains and know that your logic is nonsense as Sun Micro started their GlassFish project in 2005 and have proper documentation of their project and now they are registering GlassFish as free software, dual-licensed under two free software licences: the Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL) and the GNU General Public License (GPL) with the classpath exception. -
Well, you may say that... but that is not entirely true.. We feel that we have not done anything wrong as we have not tried to pass off as anything to do with Sun Microsystems, we have not used the name in bad faith and people can tell the difference between our company and theirs... Besides our clientele doesn't even know what is Glassfish from Sun Microsystems...
In fact when I asked around, some people even guessed that Sun Microsystems was part of Microsoft... and some others said it manufactured SD Cards... What else can I say...
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In fact when I asked around, some people even guessed that Sun Microsystems was part of Microsoft... and some others said it manufactured SD Cards... What else can I say...
It depends on who you ask. The general public probably has no idea who/what Sun Microsystems is and what Sun does.
Those in the IT field, however, would at least know something, even if they know nothing about Sun's Glassfish product...
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Yup of course... Majority of the people I asked though, are my clients... SMEs with old chinese businessmen... So much for trying to pass off... haha
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Originally posted by Ignatius.shawn:
Yup of course... Majority of the people I asked though, are my clients... SMEs with old chinese businessmen... So much for trying to pass off... haha
then i can go those 3rd world country sell this product. hey hey we are from Microsoft Buns pte ltd~Bing buns. Super soft on the outside, micro soft in the inside.
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Hey guys... Does anyone have any idea when Glassfish was actually launched or used in Singapore?
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Originally posted by Ignatius.shawn:
Hey guys... Does anyone have any idea when Glassfish was actually launched or used in Singapore?
example like if a company name Mc Donalds Design. its website domain name almost similar to www.mcdonalds.com.sg. in your website logo and footer put mc donalds and © mc donalds ...
i see your website logo and your footer.. no wonder sun so angry la. i see you use .NET de, also doesn't mean you duno glassfish right? but i will be very interested in how do you all come up with the name glassfish. got story or not? didnt you guys research on the name glassfish before deciding to use it? -
Originally posted by bananaCoke:
then i can go those 3rd world country sell this product. hey hey we are from Microsoft Buns pte ltd~Bing buns. Super soft on the outside, micro soft in the inside.
This joke could be posted on the Jokes and Humour forum, most people will understand it.
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Hey bananaCoke,
Maybe you add me on msn then I tell you the story on how I came up with the name.. It has to do with a name of a fish, called glassfish and my dad's hobby was to collect fish... =)
As of now.. Can anyone find out when Glassfish was actually launched in Singapore... This will help me tremendously... !
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Originally posted by Ignatius.shawn:
In fact when I asked around, some people even guessed that Sun Microsystems was part of Microsoft... and some others said it manufactured SD Cards... What else can I say...
What a joke...IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun Microsystems, HP are some of the big guns in the IT world. If you don't know who/what is Sun Microsystems....boy...you are living in a small world.
JAVA for example is one of their product that are commonly used by everybody...even end-user...and not knowing who is Sun Microsystems is a HAHAHAHA.
Good luck on your IT venture!
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Good luck on your IT venture!
Well, if his clients have limited knowledge of IT world, it means they can be easily conned.
For example majority of Singaporeans have limited knowledge of political affairs due to suppression, so easily conned by PAP.
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
Well, if his clients have limited knowledge of IT world, it means they can be easily conned.
For example majority of Singaporeans have limited knowledge of political affairs due to suppression, so easily conned by PAP.
That is why chee bye kias like you like to con people into supporting the wrong political parties. There is more than one alternative party out there.In fact, Sun's GlassFish is typed with F in upper case.
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Originally posted by Zecyan88:
What a joke...IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun Microsystems, HP are some of the big guns in the IT world. If you don't know who/what is Sun Microsystems....boy...you are living in a small world.
JAVA for example is one of their product that are commonly used by everybody...even end-user...and not knowing who is Sun Microsystems is a HAHAHAHA.
Good luck on your IT venture!
Java is well-known, but glassfish isn't that well known, especially for people who are not into IT.
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wah seriously arh? nobody knows when Sun's glassfish was launched in Singapore? wah lau... this is serious man... Can I give anyone $100 who can get me an answer with substantiated proof? Haha... Make it like a pop quiz or something...
PS: I'm just kidding on the $100 but I don't mind treating you lunch at a nice restaurant! =)
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Anyway I don't con clients... They tell me what they need, I just provide them the solutions to their problems.. Simple as that...
Honestly an old business man that owns an sme for 10 years doing ironworks won't care even if you told him what on earth Glassfish by Sun's is all about.. He just wants the end results... A working website, nice design and a website that people can go and see his ironworks.. Thats all... Singaporeans are very practical people... No results, no pay.. And I'm happy living with that... Because we have been delivering as far as we are concerned...
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i think you should not be too open about suggestion given that this is the open forum. Especially you already received letter anything written can be used in court.
Any real suggestion i suggest you get them to PM you and use person e-mail.
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I got a message from someone and I would like to share it with you all... However I will not be mentioning the person for privacy issues...
greetings,
i just furious and curious why you think sun is on the fault here and the way u make it seem like sun is bullying u all.
regards,
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Hi *****************,
Honestly I'm not saying who's fault is it or whatever. Sun may choose to do whatever they feel is right. However we are also entitled to do what we feel is right. We are not pushing the blame to anybody and it is unfortunate that we (Us and Sun Microsystems) is caught in this situation. Neither of us wanted to be here but here we are in this predicament.
I honestly thank you for your feedback, and I will ensure that my future posts will not be based on my opinions but on facts from now on. Would love to update you on what is happening. I have actually spoken to my lawyers from Drew and Napier, one of the best law firms in town, and they have advised me that we have a case if we can find out when Sun's Glassfish was launched in Singapore. We are still in the midst of working something amicable between both parties and I hope you do not misunderstand me by playing the bullied...
We honestly just want to settle this issue fairly and get on with life. I hope you understand where we are coming from as well. We are a small company, we have worked hard to build a business, now we have lost clients and business is suffering. We all need to earn money for our families and this is not how we want things to be. We don't mind changing our business name and allowing them the exclusive right to having the name but we need to cover our overheads.
It costs money building a reputation for a company and branding is extremely important. Now that we need to change the company's name, it hurts our business. We have to give them our domain for free, even though we paid for it and maintained it for the past few months. We pumped in money to make sure it had a good search hit with all the search engines, now we feel that even if they feel that we may be infringing their trademark that isn't even registered in Singapore, they should at least be fair and pay for what they want. Afterall, we are not the ones making millions in the market...
You are free to feel angry with our predicament or our stand on this issue, but I just sincerely hope you understand that we truly want to get this settled amicably in order to continue our business and bring home money during this hard time.
Thanks for the time you just took to read this long message.
Kindest Regards
Shawn Ignatius
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wa lau, scare what scare
can sue back de ma
best ish get the indian lawyer to sue back, they talk like machine gun like that one
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you say it is hard to built a trademark.. what about GlassFish? it has been a free opensource server since many years ago.
have you even binged or googled glassfish before even thinking of using it as a company name? i cant believe you even put © 2009 GlassFish in your website.
come on.. it would be fantastic if you put © 2009 Glassfish Design or get a domain name glassfish-design.com.sg.
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So TS, based on what you've been saying, I would like to share an analogy with you.
So one fine day you're driving your car down the road, your phone drops on the car mat and you look down, tried to pick it up while you were still driving. In the midst of not looking, you knock down somebody at a traffic junction. You can't argue in court and say that "I wasn't looking, I don't even know that person was there".
The fact that you (or anyone else) doesn't know about Sun Microsystem's GlassFish doesn't mean that you can go ahead with your actions. Ignorance is never an excuse for anything.That's why there is such thing as intellectual property.
Think deeply about this ok? You don't have to reply me if you don't wish to, coz' I don't want your ego to get in the way and have you start replying with things that doesn't make sense just to defend your own ego.
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Hi guys,
Thanks for your feedback... Superlibra, I think there are also certain things that I shouldn't say here.. So hope you understand.
All in all, we as a small company just hope we can have a small token for settlement so we can get on with business... We are not saying we are right or wrong... We just want to move on from here, so we can continue business and earn money.
You are right, ignorance is not an excuse. However unfortunate as it may be, we are already in this situation. So our lawyers together with Sun Microsystems and our company are working together to the best possible course of amicable action. Thanks once again Superlibra...
And bananaCoke, Thanks for the suggestions! =) I'm actually looking into everybody's suggestion to improve ourselves and business as well!
Cheers Guys!
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Originally posted by superlibra:
So TS, based on what you've been saying, I would like to share an analogy with you.
So one fine day you're driving your car down the road, your phone drops on the car mat and you look down, tried to pick it up while you were still driving. In the midst of not looking, you knock down somebody at a traffic junction. You can't argue in court and say that "I wasn't looking, I don't even know that person was there".
The fact that you (or anyone else) doesn't know about Sun Microsystem's GlassFish doesn't mean that you can go ahead with your actions. Ignorance is never an excuse for anything.That's why there is such thing as intellectual property.
Think deeply about this ok? You don't have to reply me if you don't wish to, coz' I don't want your ego to get in the way and have you start replying with things that doesn't make sense just to defend your own ego.
Superlibra, there is a loophole here.So does it mean, as long as let's say Microsoft have some products then those domains are automatically theirs???
Even if let's say you register the domain First? And then they come out with their products that clashes with your name/brand??
There is the "First come first serve way".
TS just needs to show that he has registered the name before Sun's is good enough.
If let's say, all the way I have a product call "Mohave!", and its very famous, but I never intend to set up a separate domain/website, does it mean that I automatically is entitled to it, and if anybody happens to own it, they are wrong and but give it to me??
Hmm....TS go ahead and input your lawyers with the POVs given in the forum, it might help you.
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So TS, based on what you've been saying, I would like to share an analogy with you.
So one fine day you're driving your car down the road, your phone drops on the car mat and you look down, tried to pick it up while you were still driving. In the midst of not looking, you knock down somebody at a traffic junction. You can't argue in court and say that "I wasn't looking, I don't even know that person was there".
Let's say you are driving your car down the road, your phone drops on the car mat, but you maintain the same lane, then One car, (having a drunk driver), did not stay on his lane and overtakes another car by switching lanes and then knock you car?
So, is both at fault, or still singly the first driver fault?
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damN, talking bout Bing.buns.. i wanna have 1 sia !!
Sho hungry at nite, "good bros" outsai i cant go out....
humpff... Soft on e outsai, Micro Soft insai ... yUmmmy !! loves~ :D