Young people today can't take pressure!
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I believe it has got more to do with the parents.
As with the NS issue, if the child complains, the parents will do anything possible to protect their children. This results in a lower threshold for bitter times.
Do you think if the parents had continued pushing their children while putting aside their parental instincts, would the children be as pampered?
Most of our parents had to work hard to get where they are today. No complaints, no whining, no bullshit. Just pure hard work, on their own. Our grandparents did not shelter them, or spoonfeed them, or tie their shoelaces (except for the first time).
But now, parents shelter their children so much - want wind get wind, want rain get rain. (chinese saying) Parents are more concerned about satisfying their children's materialistic needs that serves to make their life "better", easier, than making sure their children learn the right values. It can also be observed that parents rely on school teachers to inculcate those values.
On he who can endure the bitter of the bitter, can become the man above all other men.
Enduring pain and suffering is what the younger generations are unable to do - a little pressure causes them to crack and eventually fall apart.
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Originally posted by CSM:
Lmao~However this kinda reminds me of Warhammer >.> based on the skull and ravens... >.>
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May I interject my "young people today" opinion?
Yeah, I agree.
My generation and myself are more "made of fail" than our predecessors.The reason is obvious.
We are more sheltered, technology is more advanced and life isn't just about hard labour and farming like the labourers and peasants most of our forefathers were. -
U think american teens more independent, think again ....listen to this
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dont you think its kinda unfair comparing children from different generations??
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Woh woh.....what is this.....I am really offended.....
People here are talking about young people who are weak and cannot handle pressure.....meaning, me?
Yes I admit it.
I live a sheltered life, I am dysfunctional, I cannot think, act, I have no backbone, and I lack direction in life.
Still, it is not right for you guys to insult me.
Even though we losers are weak and useless, we will rise one day.
Remember, losers are also human beings.
Please be more kind and compassionate to losers like me.
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Originally posted by dkcx:
Most of the problems with the youngsters these days is not just the physical but their entire mentality.
Many have problems coping just because they get fucked by their superiors, kanna confinement etc etc and get depression etc. Sometimes it seems its their own attitude thats causing the problem but to them its just everyone is against them...
So they get depression in ns is also their fault? In real life even in the working world there are many people who suffer from depression due to work pressure.Is it their fault too?
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Originally posted by HeiHao:
TS and some of the forumers here just want to boast about how strong or tough their generation are. immature.
Agree.They should start a thread talking about themselves titled "Young immature people today like to boast online"
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Originally posted by fireng:
So they get depression in ns is also their fault? In real life even in the working world there are many people who suffer from depression due to work pressure.Is it their fault too?
Everyone goes through the same thing, if u are the only 1 who fall into depression, u cannot say its the system fault etc since everyone goes through the same sort of training, torture etc etc
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Originally posted by dkcx:
Everyone goes through the same thing, if u are the only 1 who fall into depression, u cannot say its the system fault etc since everyone goes through the same sort of training, torture etc etc
Different people go through different things. Some are in combat vocation some are in service vocation.Btw if you fall into depression its a medical condition meaning you are mentally sick.
Your saying that if you are the only 1 that fall into depression when everyone goes through the same thing means its your fault is flawed.
That is just like saying that everybody go through the same 3 months bmt with the same torture and training and they never get injured while you are the only 1 who gets injured and downgrade during bmt means its your fault.
Logic fail.
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Originally posted by fireng:
Different people go through different things. Some are in combat vocation some are in service vocation.Btw if you fall into depression its a medical condition meaning you are mentally sick.
Your saying that if you are the only 1 that fall into depression when everyone goes through the same thing means its your fault is flawed.
That is just like saying that everybody go through the same 3 months bmt with the same torture and training and they never get injured while you are the only 1 who gets injured and downgrade during bmt means its your fault.
Logic fail.
Depression does have a biological link but its not totally biological and more often its due to environmental influence. If everyone is in the same environment yet only you fall into depression without any biological influence, it does shows that you are mentally weaker than the rest and unable to handle the same stress and pressure that others can. Depression is not like cough, flu that can be caught easily through the air etc so by falling into depression, its still partly the person's fault for not being strong enough mentally and fall into depression.
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Originally posted by dkcx:
Depression does have a biological link but its not totally biological and more often its due to environmental influence. If everyone is in the same environment yet only you fall into depression without any biological influence, it does shows that you are mentally weaker than the rest and unable to handle the same stress and pressure that others can. Depression is not like cough, flu that can be caught easily through the air etc so by falling into depression, its still partly the person's fault for not being strong enough mentally and fall into depression.
That is just like saying that 100 people go through the same 3 months bmt with the same torture and training and all of them complete their bmt while you are the only 1 who gets injured and downgrade during bmt means its your fault and you can't take the stress.
Its logic fail
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Originally posted by fireng:
That is just like saying that 100 people go through the same 3 months bmt with the same torture and training and all of them complete their bmt while you are the only 1 who gets injured and downgrade during bmt means its your fault and you can't take the stress.
Its logic fail
We are talking about depression so why change it to physical problems now?
For physical problems, its also u being weak to not be able to take the training cos everyone is taught the same thing. Sometimes physical injuries can be due to u being suay but mental illness has no luck involved.
For mental illness, it is ur fault for not being able to cope. If you fail to cope thats ur fault for being weak so thats logical.
If not whats your logic for explaining why everyone else can go through but you can't? Depression etc is a mental illness and getting it signifies a mental strength which is saying the person is weaker than the rest who went through the same thing.
How can u blame others when u are the only 1 who didn't manage to go through training that everyone else can?
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Originally posted by dkcx:
We are talking about depression so why change it to physical problems now?
For physical problems, its also u being weak to not be able to take the training cos everyone is taught the same thing. Sometimes physical injuries can be due to u being suay but mental illness has no luck involved.
For mental illness, it is ur fault for not being able to cope. If you fail to cope thats ur fault for being weak so thats logical.
If not whats your logic for explaining why everyone else can go through but you can't? Depression etc is a mental illness and getting it signifies a mental strength which is saying the person is weaker than the rest who went through the same thing.
How can u blame others when u are the only 1 who didn't manage to go through training that everyone else can?
So according to you, if you are running SOC halfway and than you fall down and fractured your leg and so OOT and downgrade to PES E, that is your fault too because you are weak?This is logic fail.
Back to depression, there are many external factors which causes you to get depression and not just the army settings. Like before you serve ns, you are working and contributing to your family expenses and now in ns, your allowance is not enough to contribute to your family expenses. So now your parents are not happy with you and this gives you pressure.
Than perhaps your gf breaks up with you too when you are in ns.
So now you lose your gf and family ties plus the tough training and takaning by your superiors causes you to ahve depression.
So this is your fault too now that you got depression?
Logic fail.
And your saying that if you get a mental illness means you are weak is also logic fail.
Some people get other type of mental illness such as sspilt personality. So according to your logic, does it mean these people are weak?
But what has spilt personality got to do with the person being weak?
Logic fail
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Originally posted by fireng:
So according to you, if you are running SOC halfway and than you fall down and fractured your leg and so OOT and downgrade to PES E, that is your fault too because you are weak?This is logic fail.
Back to depression, there are many external factors which causes you to get depression and not just the army settings. Like before you serve ns, you are working and contributing to your family expenses and now in ns, your allowance is not enough to contribute to your family expenses. So now your parents are not happy with you and this gives you pressure.
Than perhaps your gf breaks up with you too when you are in ns.
So now you lose your gf and family ties plus the tough training and takaning by your superiors causes you to ahve depression.
So this is your fault too now that you got depression?
Logic fail
I have always only talk about the mental aspect, u were the 1 who brought in the physical aspecgt so u were the 1 who failed to read.
Regardless the problems faced, it is how the person copes. There are a number of people who goes through breakup in NS, a good number have to even support their families etc yet i do not see all of them getting into depression. Being unable to coop with all the stress is ur own fault and you cannot blame others. I known of people who have really tough life, family and relationship problems etc but they still manage to pull through NS.
Depression is caused by a failure of the person in coping with stress. If you cannot cope with the stress, its showing ur own weakness and the strength of others who manage to pull through despite all the odds they are facing. Thats mental resilence or mental strength.
I have mentioned depression ONLY. If you are failing to argue on the depression fact, please do not pull in all the mental problems just because you have nothing else to say. Just admit u loss and don't bring in other problems loser.
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Originally posted by dkcx:
I have always only talk about the mental aspect, u were the 1 who brought in the physical aspecgt so u were the 1 who failed to read.
Regardless the problems faced, it is how the person copes. There are a number of people who goes through breakup in NS, a good number have to even support their families etc yet i do not see all of them getting into depression. Being unable to coop with all the stress is ur own fault and you cannot blame others. I known of people who have really tough life, family and relationship problems etc but they still manage to pull through NS.
Depression is caused by a failure of the person in coping with stress. If you cannot cope with the stress, its showing ur own weakness and the strength of others who manage to pull through despite all the odds they are facing. Thats mental resilence or mental strength.
I have mentioned depression ONLY. If you are failing to argue on the depression fact, please do not pull in all the mental problems just because you have nothing else to say. Just admit u loss and don't bring in other problems loser.
Why can't I bring in the physical aspect? Must I seek your permission first than I can bring in the physical aspect?
Yes there are many people in ns who have to support their families etc. But how do you know they are not suffering from depression?
Just because they never see a doctor and never take medicine doesn't mean they are not suffering from depression. Some people are suffering from depression and they don't even know it.
Just admit that you are a idiot with no brains and no logic and shut up.
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Originally posted by fireng:
Why can't I bring in the physical aspect? Must I seek your permission first than I can bring in the physical aspect?
Yes there are many people in ns who have to support their families etc. But how do you know they are not suffering from depression?
Just because they never see a doctor and never take medicine doesn't mean they are not suffering from depression. Some people are suffering from depression and they don't even know it.
Just admit that you are a idiot with no brains and no logic and shut up.
If you want bring in the physical aspect, that has nothing to do with me so u cannot say my logic fail. By bringing in external content, it just shows ur lack the content to prove ur point and thus is required to bring in totally unrelated stuff showing how badly u failed.
Depression is a mental illness and not everyone who looks sad etc has depression. If you are not a psychology student or studies mental health do not talk like you do. Depression has to be diagnosed if not u do not ever consider it depression. If someone behaves sad is call depression, almost everyone is having depression liao. Please go learn ur facts about depression before you think its something that is so easily gotten.
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Originally posted by dkcx:
If you want bring in the physical aspect, that has nothing to do with me so u cannot say my logic fail. By bringing in external content, it just shows ur lack the content to prove ur point and thus is required to bring in totally unrelated stuff showing how badly u failed.
Depression is a mental illness and not everyone who looks sad etc has depression. If you are not a psychology student or studies mental health do not talk like you do. Depression has to be diagnosed if not u do not ever consider it depression. If someone behaves sad is call depression, almost everyone is having depression liao. Please go learn ur facts about depression before you think its something that is so easily gotten.
You talk as if you are a psychology student.
You should go and learn about depression first and get all the facts first before you come here and say stupid comments like people who get depression are weak etc
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as long as the human heart and values not regressing can liao.
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Originally posted by fireng:
You talk as if you are a psychology student.
You should go and learn about depression first and get all the facts first before you come here and say stupid comments like people who get depression are weak etc
I am a psychology student unfortunately for u. Don't think you are 1 since you seriously lack all the required knowledge.
If you do not know anything, pleaser go to 1 of the approved institutions to take a mental health first aid course, go to read the DSM on depression symptoms etc before you even come talk like you know anything.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_depression
Causes
The biopsychosocial model proposes that biological, psychological, and social factors all play a role to varying degrees in causing depression.[12] The diathesis–stress model posits that depression results when a preexisting vulnerability, or diathesis, is activated by stressful life events. The preexisting vulnerability can be either genetic,[13][14] implying an interaction between nature and nurture, or schematic, resulting from views of the world learned in childhood.[15] These interactive models have gained empirical support. For example, researchers in New Zealand took a prospective approach to studying depression, by documenting over time how depression emerged among an initially normal cohort of people. The researchers concluded that variation among the serotonin transporter (5-HTT) gene affects the chances that people who have dealt with very stressful life events will go on to experience depression. Specifically, depression may follow such events, but seems more likely to appear in people with one or two short alleles of the 5-HTT gene.[13]
A Swedish study estimated the heritability of depression—the degree to which individual differences in occurrence are associated with genetic differences—to be approximately 40% for women and 30% for men,[16] and evolutionary psychologists have proposed that the genetic basis for depression lies deep in the history of naturally selected adaptations. A substance-induced mood disorder resembling major depression has been causally linked to long-term drug use or abuse, or to withdrawal from certain sedative and hypnotic drugs.[17][18]
[edit] Biological
Here is an article about depression.
Show me which part of the article supports your claim that people who suffer from depression is weak
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Originally posted by dkcx:
I am a psychology student unfortunately for u. Don't think you are 1 since you seriously lack all the required knowledge.
If you do not know anything, pleaser go to 1 of the approved institutions to take a mental health first aid course, go to read the DSM on depression symptoms etc before you even come talk like you know anything.
Than show me evidence to support your wild claims that people who suffer from depression is weak.If you are really a psychology student as what you have claimed, it just shows that the universities are producing rubbish students who thinks that people have depression are weak.
Please quit your course.
We do not need such rubbish future psychiatrist like you who will do more harm than good
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
as long as the human heart and values not regressing can liao.
We have people like dkcx coming online to condemn people who are suffering from depression.This clearly shows the human heart and values of dkcx is regressing
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Originally posted by fireng:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_depression
Causes
The biopsychosocial model proposes that biological, psychological, and social factors all play a role to varying degrees in causing depression.[12] The diathesis–stress model posits that depression results when a preexisting vulnerability, or diathesis, is activated by stressful life events. The preexisting vulnerability can be either genetic,[13][14] implying an interaction between nature and nurture, or schematic, resulting from views of the world learned in childhood.[15] These interactive models have gained empirical support. For example, researchers in New Zealand took a prospective approach to studying depression, by documenting over time how depression emerged among an initially normal cohort of people. The researchers concluded that variation among the serotonin transporter (5-HTT) gene affects the chances that people who have dealt with very stressful life events will go on to experience depression. Specifically, depression may follow such events, but seems more likely to appear in people with one or two short alleles of the 5-HTT gene.[13]
A Swedish study estimated the heritability of depression—the degree to which individual differences in occurrence are associated with genetic differences—to be approximately 40% for women and 30% for men,[16] and evolutionary psychologists have proposed that the genetic basis for depression lies deep in the history of naturally selected adaptations. A substance-induced mood disorder resembling major depression has been causally linked to long-term drug use or abuse, or to withdrawal from certain sedative and hypnotic drugs.[17][18]
[edit] Biological
Here is an article about depression.
Show me which part of the article supports your claim that people who suffer from depression is weak
I have already said that depression has a biological link. Please read my post if you didn't know how to read properly. However biological causes requires a trigger. Not everyone with the genes that might cause depression is sure to get depression and not everyone who does not have the gene is immune from depression. As the article says, nature vs nurture.
The nurture part is about your environment which you will need to go read about social psychology to learn about its influence.
You should also go read up on a proper abnormal psychology textbook to learn more about depression and learn that biological is just a contributing factor but weak mental strength will result in higher chance of failling to depression regardless whether the person has the biological effect or not.
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Originally posted by dkcx:
I have already said that depression has a biological link. Please read my post if you didn't know how to read properly. However biological causes requires a trigger. Not everyone with the genes that might cause depression is sure to get depression and not everyone who does not have the gene is immune from depression. As the article says, nature vs nurture.
The nurture part is about your environment which you will need to go read about social psychology to learn about its influence.
You should also go read up on a proper abnormal psychology textbook to learn more about depression and learn that biological is just a contributing factor but weak mental strength will result in higher chance of failling to depression regardless whether the person has the biological effect or not.
Show us evidence to support your claims that weak mental strength will result in higher chance of falling to depression.