what will happen to sgforums in 2037?
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Originally posted by Wiser:
then go Japan and wave your banner there. Or Europe.
Marxist is anti-capitalist. You use wrong theories leh.
You understand history of Marxist-Leninism or not?
What was Lenin's cause? He was against colonialism and imperialism!
Most people in asia supported communism because they were anti colonialism!
An outline of Leninist anti-imperialism
The Bolsheviks’ Conception of Imperialism
Marxist anti-imperialism, worldwide, virtually was born with the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917.1 The Russian proletariat seized power in an imperialist country, and was immediately confronted by the armies of the imperialist powers.
Thus the Bolsheviks viewed their revolution as forcing the first breach in the fortress of imperialism. But further, they proclaimed their “firm determination to wrest mankind from the clutches of finance capital” and insisted on “a complete break with the barbarous policy of bourgeois civilization, which has built the prosperity of the exploiters belonging to a few chosen nations on the enslavement of hundreds of millions of working people in Asia, in the colonies in general, and in the small countries” (“Declaration of Rights of the Working and Exploited People,” January 16, 1918).
This stance gave enormous impetus to anti-imperialist movements worldwide and thus dealt a great blow to imperialism. Moreover, the Bolshevik victory in the Civil War demonstrated that imperialist armies could be defeated by an oppressed people. The reverberations of the Bolshevik Revolution were felt in the May Fourth Movement in China (1919), the anti-Rowlatt Act agitation in India (1919), and the revolt in Iraq (1920), to take just three examples.
In Lenin’s keen dialectical view, imperialism did play a dual role in the colonies and dependent countries, but that role was not—as the linear-stage theorists would have it—one of dissolving the earlier social basis there and initiating capitalist development as such.
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Ho Chi Minh
The Path Which Led Me To Leninism
After World War I, I made my living in Paris, now as a retoucher at a photographer’s, now as painter of “Chinese antiquities” (made in France!). I would distribute leaflets denouncing the crimes committed by the French colonialists in Viet Nam.
At that time, I supported the October Revolution only instinctively, not yet grasping all its historic importance. I loved and admired Lenin because he was a great patriot who liberated his compatriots; until then, I had read none of his books.
The reason for my joining the French Socialist Party was that these “ladies and gentlemen” - as I called my comrades at that moment - has shown their sympathy towards me, towards the struggle of the oppressed peoples. But I understood neither what was a party, a trade-union, nor what was socialism nor communism.
Heated discussions were then taking place in the branches of the Socialist Party, about the question whether the Socialist Party should remain in the Second International, should a Second and a half International be founded or should the Socialist Party join Lenin’s Third International? I attended the meetings regularly, twice or thrice a week and attentively listened to the discussion. First, I could not understand thoroughly. Why were the discussions so heated? Either with the Second, Second and a half or Third International, the revolution could be waged. What was the use of arguing then? As for the First International, what had become of it?
What I wanted most to know - and this precisely was not debated in the meetings - was: which International sides with the peoples of colonial countries?
I raised this question - the most important in my opinion - in a meeting. Some comrades answered: It is the Third, not the Second International. And a comrade gave me Lenin’s “Thesis on the national and colonial questions” published by l'Humanite to read.
There were political terms difficult to understand in this thesis. But by dint of reading it again and again, finally I could grasp the main part of it. What emotion, enthusiasm, clear-sightedness and confidence it instilled into me! I was overjoyed to tears. Though sitting alone in my room, I shouted out aloud as if addressing large crowds: “Dear martyrs compatriots! This is what we need, this is the path to our liberation!”
After then, I had entire confidence in Lenin, in the Third International.
Formerly, during the meetings of the Party branch, I only listened to the discussion; I had a vague belief that all were logical, and could not differentiate as to who were right and who were wrong. But from then on, I also plunged into the debates and discussed with fervour. Though I was still lacking French words to express all my thoughts, I smashed the allegations attacking Lenin and the Third International with no less vigour. My only argument was: “If you do not condemn colonialism, if you do not side with the colonial people, what kind of revolution are you waging?”
Not only did I take part in the meetings of my own Party branch, but I also went to other Party branches to lay down “my position”. Now I must tell again that Comrades Marcel Cachin, Vaillant Couturier, Monmousseau and many others helped me to broaden my knowledge. Finally, at the Tours Congress, I voted with them for our joining the Third International.
At first, patriotism, not yet communism, led me to have confidence in Lenin, in the Third International. Step by step, along the struggle, by studying Marxism-Leninism parallel with participation in practical activities, I gradually came upon the fact that only socialism and communism can liberate the oppressed nations and the working people throughout the world from slavery.
There is a legend, in our country as well as in China, on the miraculous “Book of the Wise”. When facing great difficulties, one opens it and finds a way out. Leninism is not only a miraculous “book of the wise”, a compass for us Vietnamese revolutionaries and people: it is also the radiant sun illuminating our path to final victory, to socialism and communism.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/ho-chi-minh/works/1960/04/x01.htm
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Congress of the Peoples of the East
Baku
September 1920
The Congress of the Peoples of the East held in Baku in September, 1920 holds a special place in the history of the Communist movement. It was the first attempt to appeal to the exploited and oppressed peoples in the colonial and semi-colonial countries to carry forward their revolutionary struggles under the banner of Marxism and with the support of the workers in Russia and the advanced countries of the world.
The summons to Baku was issued by the Second Congress of the Communist International, which met in July and August in Moscow. In making this call, the Second Congress made a conscious break with the neglect of the national and colonial question by the Second International, based as it was almost exclusively on European parties. It recognised both that it was a prime duty of working class revolutionaries to support the struggle of their colonial brothers and that the colonial revolution could be a valuable ally in the overthrow of imperialism in its strongholds. Further, in 1920 the whole colonial and semi-colonial world was aflame, especially in the countries bordering the Soviet republic, so that these movements could be of direct assistance in warding off the offensive of the imperialists, notably the British, with the aim of establishing their power on the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. This was the atmosphere in which the Congress met.
http://www.marxists.org/history/international/comintern/baku/index.htm
League against Imperialism
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Maybe Singapore 2037 bian tian, PAP voted out.
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Originally posted by FireIce:
the world ending in 2012
so u all no need think so far
Aiyo, you believe this kind of thing. Keep this thread open till 2012 and laugh at yourself how silly you were on 24 Dec. 2012. -
Originally posted by coffeebreak:
sorry.. can't sleep and very bored with the angry birds game, some stages are damn difficult! so i could not resist the urge to start this topic...
let me start with my predictions for sgforum in 2037...
- the forum will be 3D compatible, so you will see cutedolphin jump up from the screen and say "i'm back!!"
- there will be a firelce version 2.0
- angle7030 will be the new forum queen
- i will pass on my account to my future children in my will... cos tats the only thing i have left... and they will get banned by angel
- the most popular topic will be "pap... why are you still here?"
We need to create 1 forum for old folks because Singapore is one of the fastest aging country in the world. By 2037, there will be many old folks, you and I are one of them. -
Originally posted by coffeebreak:
sorry.. can't sleep and very bored with the angry birds game, some stages are damn difficult! so i could not resist the urge to start this topic...
let me start with my predictions for sgforum in 2037...
- the forum will be 3D compatible, so you will see cutedolphin jump up from the screen and say "i'm back!!"
- there will be a firelce version 2.0
- angle7030 will be the new forum queen
- i will pass on my account to my future children in my will... cos tats the only thing i have left... and they will get banned by angel
- the most popular topic will be "pap... why are you still here?"
By the way, why 2037, cannot be 2038 meh ?
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aiya who want to know the history of maxism, lebonaism, whatever ism...lah...doesn't work well in small dot here. They are all one word "communism".
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Marxism...Lebonaism...communism didn't help vietnam, cambodia in asia. It helped only to kill millions of innocent citizens. Stupid theory.
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Originally posted by Wiser:
aiya who want to know the history of maxism, lebonaism, whatever ism...lah...doesn't work well in small dot here. They are all one word "communism".
This "ism", that "ism", the final result must still lead to the overthrow of PAP regime.
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Originally posted by Vote PAP OUT to Save SG:
This "ism", that "ism", the final result must still lead to the overthrow of PAP regime.
and bring in Marxism regime ?!!! that is even worse. -
Originally posted by Wiser:
and bring in Marxism regime ?!!! that is even worse.a more left wing regime, not marxist.
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left wing, right wing, chicken wing , who care.....it is just stupid idealistic theories.
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by them probably sgforums will loose her virginity already
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Come on, technology changes so rapidly, at the year 2037, sgforums.com will
definitely be replaced by something else by then lor.