Originally posted by TTFU:You just contradicted yourself.
Motive is and should be considered.
Unless the person accidentally kill someone or kill the person out of self defence than we can give the person a short jail sentence.
Whats the bias with people being mentally ill ? Short jail sentence lol ? And killing a person out of self defence has no motive ? So what is motive
They are mentally ill but their motive is evil as they want to kill the person and escape the death sentence by saying they have mental problem.
The person who accidentally kill someone did not have the motive to kill him
This is the difference which I guess someone who is so naive and thinks that he will get away with a crime by saying he have kleptomania will be able to understand
Originally posted by goodheart:
You can try that and see if the judge and the psycharist will believe you than you will know how naive you are
Why not ? With a proper medical report. I can and will get myself out of trouble.
Originally posted by goodheart:Motive should not be considered in a crime.
A person who steals money to pay for his gambling debts will have to go to jail.
A person who steals money and give it to the poor still have to go to jail.
A person who steals money to give to his wife who needs money to cure her cancer still goes to jail
Actually there are two parts in a crime. The actus rea and the mens rea.
The first is the act, and the second is the mental element.
The prosecution always prove you have the opportunity to do it, you did it, and you have the motive.
Originally posted by TTFU:Why not ? With a proper medical report. I can and will get myself out of trouble.
Ok. If the psycharist writing the report has IQ level the same as you than I am sure you will be able to get yourself out of trouble
Originally posted by mancha:Actually there are two parts in a crime. The actus rea and the mens rea.
The first is the act, and the second is the mental element.
The prosecution always prove you have the opportunity to do it, you did it, and you have the motive.
You see this poor 15 year old girl who gets killed by her stepdad and he gets 10 years jail and can be released from prison in 3 years if he have good behaviour
Originally posted by goodheart:They are mentally ill but their motive is evil as they want to kill the person and escape the death sentence by saying they have mental problem.
The person who accidentally kill someone did not have the motive to kill him
This is the difference which I guess someone who is so naive and thinks that he will get away with a crime by saying he have kleptomania will be able to understand
You still dont get it do you.
Evil. What is evil. You talk about evil. Do you know what is evil in the first place ?
The person who accidentally kill someone did not have the motive to kill him
Lol ? Theres always a example where in a case of self defence need not kill him. But instead he did. And the case is refered as self-defence. So is he evil ? Is he more evil than the mentally ill evil ?
You seem to reject the idea of getting away from a crime saying he have kleptomani when the obvious facts and cases are there.
Originally posted by goodheart:
Ok. If the psycharist writing the report has IQ level the same as you than I am sure you will be able to get yourself out of trouble
I think i sort of get the idea. Your bias. Where are we debating.
Yes i am quite sure the psycharist has a much higher iq than you after this. In this world nothing is fair. Or should i say everything is fair.
Ethics can be abandoned for something simple like money or power. There are often grey areas you cant see in law/justice or whatever.
Correctly there was a crime. The two elements are there.
If he do not want to defend himself, he would be hanged.
He did defend himself, or the lawyer did defend him well, and he did not get the death sentence.
You know very well, it is not KILL= HANG,
Originally posted by goodheart:Nope
Singapore's death sentence for people who traffic more than 15 gram of drugs is the strictest
is it fair for ppl to get death sentence for possessing 16grams of drug even though the person didn't do anything to anyone??
Jesus said forgive and forget. We all need forgiveness when we did something wrong. Why not reflect ourselves if we got sinned before?
Originally posted by TTFU:Yes thats right. I may even choose to tell the judge i have kleptomania and get myself totally out of trouble.
So ?
Yes. You have to understand what is kleptomania first. Kleptomaniacs steal things without logic. Things that is being stolen has no necessary value or motive.
These people can steal the price tag, the box that is supposed to contain the diamond ring, instead of the ring itself. The vase of flower that is for decoration instead of the laptops in Courts. This includes simple things such as paper, paperclips, tape, glue, but not from stationary shop. These stolen items are very funny. And normal people dont consider it as stealing also. "Take" is a more proper word.
Stealing toliet rolls from public toliet, forks and spoons from resturants are not considered the behavior under kleptomania either.
Originally posted by The man who was death:is it fair for ppl to get death sentence for possessing 16grams of drug even though the person didn't do anything to anyone??
Yes it is fair. The point is motive. Consider how much money the person earn after it is successful. You will think other wise
Nothing is fair. You look at my mom's election boundaries. Hers changed about five times. Every election different. 2006 GRC , 2011 SMC maybe 2016 GRC again or SMC with different name. She go town council pay bills the staff said ur election boundaries changed dun need come here wrong town council.
My grandparents election boundaries changed alot of times too.
Is this fair to opposition parties?
Law also got many loopholes.
Originally posted by Lokey:Yes it is fair. The point is motive. Consider how much money the person earn after it is successful. You will think other wise
what if his motive is to consume it himself??
rape is scarring a person life forever,
murder is killing a person with tempomary pain