Should girls be educated?
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Originally posted by Ah Gong:
"change in attitude to parenthood is due to educated women"
How did you draw that conclusion?
then tell me why there are fewer births?
"cost of living is subjective"
How so? Different between races? So now it is a race issue?
it is not race. you can be happy if you live within your means
"if men are allow to get more coucubines to bear children"
So, you want polygamy? Did you see the term biological fertility? Do you understand its meaning? What you suggest doesn't solve fertility problems.
it solves the problems on the female side
Tell me if this isn't about you having trouble finding a mate.
isn't
You are saying that educating women leads to their change in attitude towards parenthood, which in turn causes a decline in the birth rate. How do you draw a link between educating women (cause) and change in attitude towards parenthood (effect)? My take is that change in attitude towards parenthood is more possibly due to greater western influence through the media, or even males' preference for smaller families. For example, as a male, I want no more than 2 children after marriage. Why are you specifically targetting women as the cause of low birth rate?
To answer your question on why there are fewer births, I already gave you a list in a post prior to this one... What's more, it is non-exhaustive. I can add the encouragement of birth control by the Singapore Government. In less developed countries, knowledge of birth control is poor, so there are more unplanned-for births.
So if it is not race related, and is instead about being happy living within your means, then have you considered that the Muslim community is getting the same education for their women as others? By using the Muslim community in your argument, apparently you have some presumptions about their education level and financial standing. (For convenience's sake, Muslims and Malays are used interchangeably)
Of course it doesn't solve the problem of low birth rate due to infertility. In fact, encouraging polygamy will worsen the problem. Simple maths or logic will tell you this. Comparing 2 exactly similar communities, one with monogamy and the other polygamy, both will have the same number of married women. However, there will be lesser married men in a polygamous society. Since the birth rate is controlled by the number of women getting pregnant, there will be lesser instances of conception with a smaller pool of men copulating with the same number of women, which means the polygamous society will have a lower birth rate.
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Originally posted by Ah Gong:
the change in attitude to parenthood is due to educated women. they want to pursue a career instead of housewife
the cost of living is subjective. you see our muslim community, they are mostly surviving on father's pay (which can be lower than chinese couple both working) and they are happy
the fertitly problems can be solved if men are allow to get more coucubines to bear children
So are you saying muslims are lesser educated than the rest thus higher birth rate ?
Pls lah, life is about sacrifices. You want something, you sacrifice something. You want money, you work two jobs. You want a baby, you risk earning less money. And now in singapore's enviroment, is it suitable to have babies ?
Please lah your solution is so childish. As stupid as the government wanting more FT. The babies dont feed on air, even if your concubine has a baby, do you have the money to raise it ?
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Originally posted by Mr Milo:
You are right, i support u on thisAnyway, a global food shortage is a fact we are facing
in order for humans to survive, we humans breed less, consume less food
same goes for animals
Global food shortage lol ?
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we can still make Milo
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Originally posted by angel7030:
we can still make Milo
milo doesn't come from air -
I find it wonderfully ironic that the majority of posters on this discussion-board are male, and that almost every single one is making spelling and grammar mistakes galore.
Perhaps we should worry more about bettering our own education than speculating whether or not the opposite sex should have that privilege.
Shameful.
- Ashamed male.
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Originally posted by Alex Lin Tan:
I find it wonderfully ironic that the majority of posters on this discussion-board are male, and that almost every single one is making spelling and grammar mistakes galore.
Perhaps we should worry more about bettering our own education than speculating whether or not the opposite sex should have that privilege.
Shameful.
- Ashamed male.
You are off topic
come back with better comments
Yes, on the surface, you cannot see it.
What we are doing now is just postponing the global food shortage
Mankind's population has surged to 7 billion for this year and will keep increasing
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hahahahahah
urs oso no better lah.
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Originally posted by Alex Lin Tan:
I find it wonderfully ironic that the majority of posters on this discussion-board are male, and that almost every single one is making spelling and grammar mistakes galore.
Perhaps we should worry more about bettering our own education than speculating whether or not the opposite sex should have that privilege.
Shameful.
- Ashamed male.
Well, first of all, I doubt I'm one of that which you mentioned.
Secondly, I find it interesting to see this:
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1 post since Aug '11________________________________________________So you created a new account just to take a jab at males? Even when it has no relevence to the topic whatsoever? Alex - a male without balls.You aren't kidding, we males are ashamed of you. Pretty sad. -
Ironically, the thread title is already a discrimination of gender.
No further comment
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i think it should be, should we find something better to do instead of tokin cock
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The OP implies that gals shouldn't be educated... Harems in the making....
Btw... There's a correlation between education level and birth rate... Shall dig it up later....
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there is a deep correlation between the ERP and birth rate.
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Originally posted by Alloy13:
You are saying that educating women leads to their change in attitude towards parenthood, which in turn causes a decline in the birth rate. How do you draw a link between educating women (cause) and change in attitude towards parenthood (effect)? My take is that change in attitude towards parenthood is more possibly due to greater western influence through the media, or even males' preference for smaller families. For example, as a male, I want no more than 2 children after marriage. Why are you specifically targetting women as the cause of low birth rate?
To answer your question on why there are fewer births, I already gave you a list in a post prior to this one... What's more, it is non-exhaustive. I can add the encouragement of birth control by the Singapore Government. In less developed countries, knowledge of birth control is poor, so there are more unplanned-for births.
So if it is not race related, and is instead about being happy living within your means, then have you considered that the Muslim community is getting the same education for their women as others? By using the Muslim community in your argument, apparently you have some presumptions about their education level and financial standing. (For convenience's sake, Muslims and Malays are used interchangeably)
Of course it doesn't solve the problem of low birth rate due to infertility. In fact, encouraging polygamy will worsen the problem. Simple maths or logic will tell you this. Comparing 2 exactly similar communities, one with monogamy and the other polygamy, both will have the same number of married women. However, there will be lesser married men in a polygamous society. Since the birth rate is controlled by the number of women getting pregnant, there will be lesser instances of conception with a smaller pool of men copulating with the same number of women, which means the polygamous society will have a lower birth rate.
Comparing 2 exactly similar communities, one with monogamy and the other polygamy, both will have the same number of married women <- wrong assumption
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my fren told me this.
eh bro, actually huh everyday we chinese complaint complaint too busy and stress. but look at those malays. they are the people enjoying life. they work for sometimes and they got money,they stop working, they will go play and relax themself . wait till no money them work again.
malays are less educated thats y they like to fk at staircase. but they are also the race to noe how to enjoy their lifes.
we can enjoy our lifes if we don work so much. 有没有�过（钱是赚�完的）enough is a enough.
my bank now only gt 60$
haiz sad got to work more
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^slacker... Another reason to welcome FTs'...
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I laugh every time I see this thread title. Enjoy.
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Originally posted by 韩飞官:
my fren told me this.
eh bro, actually huh everyday we chinese complaint complaint too busy and stress. but look at those malays. they are the people enjoying life. they work for sometimes and they got money,they stop working, they will go play and relax themself . wait till no money them work again.
malays are less educated thats y they like to fk at staircase. but they are also the race to noe how to enjoy their lifes.
we can enjoy our lifes if we don work so much. 有没有�过（钱是赚�完的）enough is a enough.
my bank now only gt 60$
haiz sad got to work more
you power. if this forum can put signature, I would quote you.
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Originally posted by 韩飞官:
my fren told me this.
eh bro, actually huh everyday we chinese complaint complaint too busy and stress. but look at those malays. they are the people enjoying life. they work for sometimes and they got money,they stop working, they will go play and relax themself . wait till no money them work again.
malays are less educated thats y they like to fk at staircase. but they are also the race to noe how to enjoy their lifes.
we can enjoy our lifes if we don work so much. 有没有�过（钱是赚�完的）enough is a enough.
my bank now only gt 60$
haiz sad got to work more
actually, I do feel that when I serve my customers, Malays seem to be happier and more decisive with purchases.
And when they do buy they've made up their minds and understand they're buying something they're going to use and needed.
Chinese tend to be unhappy with spending on necessities.(My stuff's more of a necessity)
naturally I've served more chinese than the rest and while a lot of my better customers are chinese, after spending some time in retail, I think generally even provided a pretty good level of service, chinese (local) customers tend to be the most unhappy when spending money. Even PRCs look way happier and are generally more polite so you can't say its a chinese thingy.
I honestly don't think grown ups are happier because they
"stop working, they will go play and relax themself . wait till no money them work again."
Before anyone thinks I'm bashing chinese, some of you here who have seen me before should already know I'm local chinese.
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Originally posted by Ah Gong:
Comparing 2 exactly similar communities, one with monogamy and the other polygamy, both will have the same number of married women <- wrong assumption
How will these 2 communities have significantly different numbers of married women?
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How does this even become a topic of debate in 2011?
Education is an absolute right for everyone, and most certainly when you're referring to half the population
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Gender Equality. Let's start by performing National Service.
AWARE urges more gov’t commitment to gender equality
By Liyana LowThe Association of Women for Action and Research (Aware) is concerned about the Singapore government's level of commitment to gender equality.
This comes after a United Nations (UN) committee on women's rights highlighted areas of improvement in a report -- dated 27 July -- about gender equality in Singapore.
In a statement to the press on Thursday, AWARE said it hopes the government can do its best to meet its obligations on some of the key areas mentioned in the report.
One area highlighted in the report by the UN Convention On the Elimination Of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women(CEDAW) committee was the persistence of domestic and sexual violence against women here -- which it says remains under-reported.
Other aspects that needed improvement are the implementation of national mechanisms such as a Human Rights institution or anti-discrimination law; and incorporating a definition of discrimination into the legislation.
The committee also wanted paid maternity leave here to apply to all women employees regardless of nationality and marital status.
AWARE also expressed concerned with the discrimination of marginalised women in Singapore -- namely the sexual minority, the "foreign wife" and "foreign domestic workers" and women with disabilities in the absence of a clear anti-discrimination mechanism.
The report from the UN CEDAW committee was in response to Minister of State for Community Development, Youth and Sports (MCYS) Halimah Yacob's presentation on the state of gender equality in Singapore at the UN headquarters in New York two weeks ago.
AWARE had also made its own recommendations that were presented to the UN to improve women's rights in Singapore. This was its third time submitting such a report.
Madam Halimah had told the committee that gender equality was important to Singapore's economic growth.
She said that Singapore had risen to 10th out of 138 countries on the UN Gender Inequality Index, with women's literacy rising to 93.8 per cent and women's participation in the workforce increasing to 56.5 per cent last year, from below 30 per cent in the 1970s.
In her presentation, she also mentioned that gender stereotypes were disappearing -- though that was "a work in progress."
Noting that the Singapore government appeared to be more receptive and open to the CeEDAW committee, AWARE still felt that it was being non-committal, especially in areas that were highlighted in CEDAW's report.
A spokesperson from AWARE said: "We remain concerned about the State's reticence on its obligations to institutionalise CEDAW across the board including in Parliament, the judiciary and law enforcement agencies, schools and the media."
Requesting the relevant Ministries, especially MCYS, to include civil society actors in public policy consultation, AWARE added, "We also urge the government to set aside a dedicated budget for mainstreaming CEDAW through committed public education, improved data collection and temporary special measures."
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Originally posted by Ah Gong:
what is the link?
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