Hongkong vs Singapore- why can't we be as efficient?
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Originally posted by Bikeforceful:
Ya lor i think HK has a certain identity about it and Hongkongers are proud to be Hongkongers.
Of course.. but remember they're not spoon fed and seriously, over there dunno how to put it in words, so will end it here...But ppl there also not happy too many tiongs also le... Give birth there alrdy get citizenship rights...
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Originally posted by coffeebreak:
Cantonese is backward and useless?? try telling that to over 104million people here in guangdong and over 7million here in hong kong...
Guangdong is backward region?? its the largest province in China by GDP....
But the peranakan baba leader of Singapore Harry Lee Kuan Yew says that mother tongue dialects of Singapore hokkiens, cantonese, Hainanese, Teochews and hakkas are all useless.
Peranakan baba Harry Lee Kuan Yew says that those people who speak dialects like cantonese have no future.
Dialects have no value, neither culturally nor economically; Mandarin is linked to a 5000-year old history, rich in culture and bears immense economic potential with the opening up of China’s market. Lee Kwan Yew stressed that unlike Mandarin which “has cultural value and will also have economic value twenty years later,” dialects “have no economic value in Singapore. Their cultural value is also very low” (ST, 17 October 1980).
Dialects are a burden on the young, forcing them to learn two languages when they go to school; Mandarin facilitates academic success. Lee Kuan Yew argued that “dialect will hinder the learning of the child if he uses dialect … to speak dialect with your child is to ruin his future” (ST, 17 November 1980).
Dialects represent the past and are primitive; Mandarin is the future. Lee Kwan Yew in a television forum argued, “Mandarin is a developing language; on the other hand, dialect is a stagnant language” (ST, 10 January 1980).
http://www.oocities.org/eugene_esther/section4.htm
- Harry Lee Kuan Yew, peranakan baba prime minister of Singapore.
Dialects have no value, neither culturally nor economically;
Dialects represent the past and are primitive
to speak dialect with your child is to ruin his future”
dialects “have no economic value in Singapore. Their cultural value is also very low”
Although the sinkeh dominated Singapore's population, it was the babas who dominated public decision-making. In effect, a baba minority captured sinkeh Singapore, and that minority's attitudes were more those of Victorian England than China.
It was the babas who were the framers of Singapore's rules and institutions. Many of Singapore's most prominent Chinese have had baba backgrounds. Lee Kuan Yew, who became prime minister of Singapore aged just 35, is the most obvious example. He claims a Hakka heritage, although his upbringing was that of a baba: at home, he spoke English with his parents and baba Malay to his grandparents. "Mandarin was totally alien to me and unconnected with my life," Lee said of his childhood.
For Lee, Chineseness was an acquired skill and later a political necessity. He was not brought up as a Chinese with a focus on China, but as a baba who looked to England. He followed the conventional career path of a baba and went to London to study law. And so Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore became Harry Lee of Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge. His father had given him and two of his brothers English, as well as Chinese, names.
Did Lee run Singapore as a piece of Asia mired in Chinese ways?
No. He ran it in a manner to which a British colonial administrator would have aspired.
http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/648273/
AS "sons of the soil", the Straits Chinese British Association's Straits Chinese defended their citizenship (or subjecthood) rights against the China-born Chinese and those first-generation Singapore-born Chinese who had a dual loyalty.
The chasm between the Babas and the sinkehs (literally "guests", or recent immigrants from China) may also be illustrated by the typical occupations of the China-born Chinese which self-conscious Babas would have shunned. As S.C. Wong wrote, in a letter to The Straits Times in 1948: "Our China-born brethren are very useful in Singapore. Without them, we must look to automatic machinery, for few Straits-born Chinese care to take up the following trades: tailor, shoe-maker, launderer, barber, farmer, butcher, fisherman, grocer, market stallholder, carpenter, bricklayer, painter, machine-shop artisan, boiler-maker, blacksmith, lumberjack, sawmill worker, stevedore, lighterman, lorry-driver, taxi-driver, omnibus driver and conductor, mining coolie, tapper, and the indispensable night-soil coolie."
Despite some signs of "resinicisation", many Babas tended to reciprocate the insults and teasing of the non-Baba Chinese by calling them "country bumpkins" and low-class guests.
With the increased ambiguity of the status of the Babas, many of them neither dared to admit they were Babas nor spoke Baba Malay in public.
The days of Baba Malay as an inter-group language of commercial value were also gone, and Baba Malay stagnated and became confined to the domestic domain.
http://www.asiawind.com/pub/forum/fhakka/mhonarc/msg01319.html
many Babas tended to reciprocate the insults and teasing of the non-Baba Chinese by calling them "country bumpkins" and low-class guests.
many of them neither dared to admit they were Babas nor spoke Baba Malay in public.
Dialects have no value, neither culturally nor economically;
Dialects represent the past and are primitive
to speak dialect with your child is to ruin his future”
dialects “have no economic value in Singapore. Their cultural value is also very low”
- Harry Lee Kuan Yew, peranakan baba prime minister of Singapore.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
But the peranakan baba leader of Singapore Harry Lee Kuan Yew says that mother tongue dialects of Singapore hokkiens, cantonese, Hainanese, Teochews and hakkas are all useless.
Peranakan baba Harry Lee Kuan Yew says that those people who speak dialects like cantonese have no future.
Dialects have no value, neither culturally nor economically; Mandarin is linked to a 5000-year old history, rich in culture and bears immense economic potential with the opening up of China’s market. Lee Kwan Yew stressed that unlike Mandarin which “has cultural value and will also have economic value twenty years later,� dialects “have no economic value in Singapore. Their cultural value is also very low� (ST, 17 October 1980).
Dialects are a burden on the young, forcing them to learn two languages when they go to school; Mandarin facilitates academic success. Lee Kuan Yew argued that “dialect will hinder the learning of the child if he uses dialect … to speak dialect with your child is to ruin his future� (ST, 17 November 1980).
Dialects represent the past and are primitive; Mandarin is the future. Lee Kwan Yew in a television forum argued, “Mandarin is a developing language; on the other hand, dialect is a stagnant language� (ST, 10 January 1980).
http://www.oocities.org/eugene_esther/section4.htm
- Harry Lee Kuan Yew, peranakan baba prime minister of Singapore.
Dialects have no value, neither culturally nor economically;
Dialects represent the past and are primitive
to speak dialect with your child is to ruin his future�
dialects “have no economic value in Singapore. Their cultural value is also very low�
Although the sinkeh dominated Singapore's population, it was the babas who dominated public decision-making. In effect, a baba minority captured sinkeh Singapore, and that minority's attitudes were more those of Victorian England than China.
It was the babas who were the framers of Singapore's rules and institutions. Many of Singapore's most prominent Chinese have had baba backgrounds. Lee Kuan Yew, who became prime minister of Singapore aged just 35, is the most obvious example. He claims a Hakka heritage, although his upbringing was that of a baba: at home, he spoke English with his parents and baba Malay to his grandparents. "Mandarin was totally alien to me and unconnected with my life," Lee said of his childhood.
For Lee, Chineseness was an acquired skill and later a political necessity. He was not brought up as a Chinese with a focus on China, but as a baba who looked to England. He followed the conventional career path of a baba and went to London to study law. And so Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore became Harry Lee of Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge. His father had given him and two of his brothers English, as well as Chinese, names.
Did Lee run Singapore as a piece of Asia mired in Chinese ways?
No. He ran it in a manner to which a British colonial administrator would have aspired.
http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/648273/
AS "sons of the soil", the Straits Chinese British Association's Straits Chinese defended their citizenship (or subjecthood) rights against the China-born Chinese and those first-generation Singapore-born Chinese who had a dual loyalty.
The chasm between the Babas and the sinkehs (literally "guests", or recent immigrants from China) may also be illustrated by the typical occupations of the China-born Chinese which self-conscious Babas would have shunned. As S.C. Wong wrote, in a letter to The Straits Times in 1948: "Our China-born brethren are very useful in Singapore. Without them, we must look to automatic machinery, for few Straits-born Chinese care to take up the following trades: tailor, shoe-maker, launderer, barber, farmer, butcher, fisherman, grocer, market stallholder, carpenter, bricklayer, painter, machine-shop artisan, boiler-maker, blacksmith, lumberjack, sawmill worker, stevedore, lighterman, lorry-driver, taxi-driver, omnibus driver and conductor, mining coolie, tapper, and the indispensable night-soil coolie."
Despite some signs of "resinicisation", many Babas tended to reciprocate the insults and teasing of the non-Baba Chinese by calling them "country bumpkins" and low-class guests.
With the increased ambiguity of the status of the Babas, many of them neither dared to admit they were Babas nor spoke Baba Malay in public.
The days of Baba Malay as an inter-group language of commercial value were also gone, and Baba Malay stagnated and became confined to the domestic domain.
http://www.asiawind.com/pub/forum/fhakka/mhonarc/msg01319.html
many Babas tended to reciprocate the insults and teasing of the non-Baba Chinese by calling them "country bumpkins" and low-class guests.
many of them neither dared to admit they were Babas nor spoke Baba Malay in public.
Dialects have no value, neither culturally nor economically;
Dialects represent the past and are primitive
to speak dialect with your child is to ruin his future�
dialects “have no economic value in Singapore. Their cultural value is also very low�
- Harry Lee Kuan Yew, peranakan baba prime minister of Singapore.
Hongkong got peranakans ha? -
Aiyoh, he is refering to spore only. HK can speak cantonese and still survive because for 100 yrs it is the gateway to the lucrative china. Big country like Jap/S Korea could speak their own language but when they need to do business to outside world they still need interpreters/translators even though their products are well sought after in the world.
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Dalforce, just be patient lah. The day will come. No one can run away from it.
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want to play dialect here ar...
Fine..
Hong Kong over there everyone like it or not speaks Canto.. Even Li Ka Shing he himself is not of pure Canto blood, he's a Teochew to begin with.
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Are you comparing a city vs a city or a country vs a country?
HK is a city but it is not a country; it is under PRC.
Singapore is a city and a country.
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Before making any comparison, always remember that HK isn't a country. It is just a region in PRC.
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Haha. You are free to migrate over to HK anytime
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So much so that the hongkees are rejecting PRC invasion, HK is doom to be PRC eventually, fated.
Singapore on the other hand, welcome the PRC with open arms
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Originally posted by angel7030:
So much so that the hongkees are rejecting PRC invasion, HK is doom to be PRC eventually, fated.
Singapore on the other hand, welcome the PRC with open arms
They can't really complain. To the PRC government, mainland chinese are not invading hong kong. Hong Kong is part of PRC. The nett change in population is zero; there is merely a movement of people to and away from Hong Kong.
In Singapore, the nett change in population isn't zero.
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Eh micro it to HK la. It has control on it's own internal matters.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Eh micro it to HK la.
It has control on it’s own internal matters.
But Hongkong not so many banglas working there . Pinoy's mostly domestic maids only not IT and service people....the majority of their retail servic estaff still Hongkongers , although many Pinoy's speak fluent cantonese also. -
Originally posted by Bikeforceful:
But Hongkong not so many banglas working there . Pinoy's mostly domestic maids only not IT and service people....the majority of their retail servic estaff still Hongkongers , although many Pinoy's speak fluent cantonese also.
Pinoy's are like no choice, Canto is the main spoken language over there. I dun think you'll hear them speaking in Hua yu...But they've mainlanders going there to give birth in masses.. The kids would get automatic HK citizenship rights.
Eh, sometimes I find it strange. Why compare over jobs in sv say retail...
Here ppl dun even want long working hours, want easier life.. so how? You still need ppl to provide the service...
There no choice, like it or not just work... It's like the old days over here as well.
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HK services sector and SG services sector, the pay, which one higher?
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
HK services sector and SG services sector, the pay, which one higher?
how are you going to compare?Over there housing & tpt is expensive, while food is cheap.. so how...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Here ppl dun even want long working hours, want easier life.. so how? You still need ppl to provide the service...It is the employer's job to entice employees. The Government open floodgates and now price go further down so we should reduce our requirement?
Times are hard.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Over there housing & tpt is expensive, while food is cheap.. so how...
over here housing, food and transport also expensive.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
here housing, food and transport also expensive.
But you want to compare, so let's compare in relative to SG & HK nia...There u go...
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Originally posted by Nelstar:
It is the employer's job to entice employees. The Government open floodgates and now price go further down so we should reduce our requirement?
Times are hard.
eh... In the first place, doing service sector is long hours, standing and let me see... 6 day 1 day off kind...True abt the wages issue, but the nature of the job has never changed... Since 1990s?
Sometimes I do admire those alrdy coming to age uncle still able to manage long hours inside those prov shops
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At least Singapore got advantage in that Lee Kuan Yew suppressed the backward cantonese dialect.
HK is still stuck in cantonese backwardness, that will have a retarding effect on their economy.
Dialects have no value, neither culturally nor economically;
Dialects represent the past and are primitive
to speak dialect with your child is to ruin his future”
dialects “have no economic value in Singapore. Their cultural value is also very low”
- Harry Lee Kuan Yew, peranakan baba prime minister of Singapore.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
eh... In the first place, doing service sector is long hours, standing and let me see... 6 day 1 day off kind...True abt the wages issue, but the nature of the job has never changed... Since 1990s?
Sometimes I do admire those alrdy coming to age uncle still able to manage long hours inside those prov shops
I believe if you offer sufficient enough benefits there are people willing to take up the job.
I mean, if a boutique assistant can get $3-5k/mth, I doubt they prefer $800/mth a day admin job.
I might even consider changing job too if the pay is good enough for me to be a road sweeper.
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Originally posted by Dalforce 1941:
HK services sector and SG services sector, the pay, which one higher?
HK... you'll have to serve the filthy rich mainland chinese people though.
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Working in the show biz in HK pays well... You'll need to have the looks and know the right people.
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must ask PAP!