MINDCHAMPS THREATENS SGFORUMS.COM WITH DEFAMATION SUIT
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They see Lee Hsien Loong sue the blogger, now they monkey see monkey do. This is stifling freedom of speech in Singapore.
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Originally posted by Ee Hoe Hean Club:
They see Lee Hsien Loong sue the blogger, now they monkey see monkey do. This is stifling freedom of speech in Singapore.
That is why it is so important leaders set good examples.
In Singapore, probably freedom of speech only applies to those few prominant figures, others subject to be sued when .......... The society is thus stifled.
Freedom of speech is not the absence of responsibility. However, some people who stifle freedom of speech are very fond of ignoring this and go on to quote freedom of speech is equivalent to lack of responsibility. It cannot be denied some people base on protecting selfish interest sue and quote freedom of speech is negative and destructive. Tsk tsk tsk, this is so uncalled for and unacceptable.
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Originally posted by Lina Boon:
Alamak!!! There is no letterhead to the lawyer letter. This guy wrote it himself. This is all bullshit. Aiya! Did you put a disclaimer on your website that state the opinion of the members posting his view is solely his opinion and not the opinion of the forum, "the platform", is a media which is solely meant for users to express their opinion/views?
He can't touch you la. So what if he sues, just change the hosting, and move your company to another off-shore country.
it is a letter emailed to the forum.
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2008....i haven go NS yet leh...i ORD so long liao den send lawyer letter ah.
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I always beleive that Educationist should have a higher level of social reponsibilty but instead of asking why the student is not satisfy with the courses. they threaten to sue.
If money is more important perhaps should look into other profession
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Originally posted by lce:
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I always beleive that Educationist should have a higher lever of social reponsibilty but instead of asking why the student is not satisfy with the courses. they threaten to sue.
If money is more important perhaps should look into other profession
Agree
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haha ceecookie
one of the retarded kids in the forum last time
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O O, rubbish posts start to appear.
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Just to sum up ....... really much ado about nothing. Laughable. Those unhappy parents will laugh it off when reading the warning letter.
Hahahaha .............
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Originally posted by Jason:
SgForums has received a lawyer's letter from Mindchamps threatening legal action against us because of an allegedly defamatory post by one of our users, "ceecookie" in the thread "MINDCHAMPS so costly?".
Of course, we deny all liability. We do not screen what users post on the site, and are not liable for anything posted by our users. We have since removed the allegedly defamatory post on a without prejudice and without admission of liability basis.
We remind all our users not to post anything defamatory or illegal on sgForums as you may become exposed to legal action - we also do not enjoy receiving threatening letters from lawyers.
Pls keep this lawyer's letter here for all to see cos it is a very nasty letter threatening to waste court time. I always believe in mediation and mindchamps, if they claim to be an honourable company then they OUGHT to use more mature negotiation based methods to resolve problems rather than write threatening lawyer's letter treating to sue in court when it is well clear that the moderators of open forums only act on the basis of complaints (U do not have the time/manpower to screen all threads/posts).
Opinion is also extremely subjective and the aggrieved party needs either to join the forum to dispute the accusation, or else explain to the forum owners WHY the author of an offending article ought be censured of banned, keeping in mind that personal opinions vary WIDELY across the board and it is IMPOSSIBLE to satisfy all. Unless there is overt malice/falsehood in an article, it should be allowed in so far that an opinion constitutes honest personal experience although vulgarities ought to be frowned upon if this forum is a dignified/ decent one.
The forum moderator should be able to make temporarily invisible or to temporarily suspend discussion with a statement to the effect that an article (usually FP) is under investigation, a challenge having been issued by an aggrieved.
The article author will then be challenged about facts in question and may apologically withdraw his comment/ edit the original version with a penalty of some sort: e.g. allowed 1 post a day for 5 days etc/ ban for serious defamation.
Unfortunately, that is the responsibility of the managers of open forums, however, hope the effort gain one good karma (besides membership/ advertisement revenue).
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Originally posted by bic_cherry:
Pls keep this lawyer's letter here for all to see cos it is a very nasty letter threatening to waste court time. I always believe in mediation and mindchamps, if they claim to be an honourable company then they OUGHT to use more mature negotiation based methods to resolve problems rather than write threatening lawyer's letter treating to sue in court when it is well clear that the moderators of open forums only act on the basis of complaints (U do not have the time/manpower to screen all threads/posts).
Opinion is also extremely subjective and the aggrieved party needs either to join the forum to dispute the accusation, or else explain to the forum owners WHY the author of an offending article ought be censured of banned, keeping in mind that personal opinions vary WIDELY across the board and it is IMPOSSIBLE to satisfy all. Unless there is overt malice/falsehood in an article, it should be allowed in so far that an opinion constitutes honest personal experience although vulgarities ought to be frowned upon if this forum is a dignified/ decent one.
The forum moderator should be able to make temporarily invisible or to temporarily suspend discussion with a statement to the effect that an article (usually FP) is under investigation, a challenge having been issued by an aggrieved.
The article author will then be challenged about facts in question and may apologically withdraw his comment/ edit the original version with a penalty of some sort: e.g. allowed 1 post a day for 5 days etc/ ban for serious defamation.
Unfortunately, that is the responsibility of the managers of open forums, however, hope the effort gain one good karma (besides membership/ advertisement revenue).
suspend wat disccsuion ah?
there's no more discussion, that's an expired thread -
I find them excessively high-handed. Disgusting. Unprofessional.
Are they going to do the same to their customers the parents when they go round complaining about their bad service? I reserve to share the negative feedback from parents on the way they take care of kids. I see they deserve no info to help them. Is it a crime to comment they are expensive? Disgusting.
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Isn't SgForums company based in United Kingdom?
Aren't UK's Freedom Of Speech Law unaffected by Local Singapore Laws since the website technically and theorically isn't tied to any Singapore law or is it?
If it's UK's law, i think we do have the freedom of speech just like the US as well isn't it?
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Originally posted by bic_cherry:
Pls keep this lawyer's letter here for all to see cos it is a very nasty letter threatening to waste court time. I always believe in mediation and mindchamps, if they claim to be an honourable company then they OUGHT to use more mature negotiation based methods to resolve problems rather than write threatening lawyer's letter treating to sue in court when it is well clear that the moderators of open forums only act on the basis of complaints (U do not have the time/manpower to screen all threads/posts).
Opinion is also extremely subjective and the aggrieved party needs either to join the forum to dispute the accusation, or else explain to the forum owners WHY the author of an offending article ought be censured of banned, keeping in mind that personal opinions vary WIDELY across the board and it is IMPOSSIBLE to satisfy all. Unless there is overt malice/falsehood in an article, it should be allowed in so far that an opinion constitutes honest personal experience although vulgarities ought to be frowned upon if this forum is a dignified/ decent one.
The forum moderator should be able to make temporarily invisible or to temporarily suspend discussion with a statement to the effect that an article (usually FP) is under investigation, a challenge having been issued by an aggrieved.
The article author will then be challenged about facts in question and may apologically withdraw his comment/ edit the original version with a penalty of some sort: e.g. allowed 1 post a day for 5 days etc/ ban for serious defamation.
Unfortunately, that is the responsibility of the managers of open forums, however, hope the effort gain one good karma (besides membership/ advertisement revenue).
If you're concerned about them requesting to remove even the lawyer's letter, just save a copy and host it somewhere on cloud la..
Ensure the hosting service provider is not affected by Singapore Law if its possible.
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Originally posted by the_fallen:
If you're concerned about them requesting to remove even the lawyer's letter, just save a copy and host it somewhere on cloud la..
Ensure the hosting service provider is not affected by Singapore Law if its possible.
A bit difficult considering I am really not so obsessed about Mindchamps/ their service (who are they anyway).
Anyhow, I believe that many of these new fangled performance therapist are mostly just passing fads for lazy people who don't want to study real religion (the type with 1000yrs plus history).
Many new aged performance therapist also use loud, noisy and even threatening methods to get the adrenaline running: probably the closest thing to taking a performance enhancing drug: their students often show spectular one dimensional results: e.g. get hitched and married in 6 months, hit S$1 million sales in 1 year but they end up having zero character and end up like zombies walking about.
My guess from reading what has transpired here is that Mindchamps rather take easy way out of hiring lawyer to do dirty work. Unfortunately, in taking this lazy path of least resistance, Mindchamps is actually sowing the seeds of its eventual demise since many people reading its lawyer's letter will be left with same bitter taste and public discourse will most probably be critical of such arrogance/ highhandedness.
I could be wrong and only time will tell. However, the owners of this forum have every right to publish the Mindchamps lawyers letter in perpetuality since it is now their physical property. Whatever the result, people will always remember how high handed Mindchamps CEO is...
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Originally posted by Ee Hoe Hean Club:
They see Lee Hsien Loong sue the blogger, now they monkey see monkey do. This is stifling freedom of speech in Singapore.
At least LHL's expensive lawyer did proper job of identifying the article author (Roy Ngerng) and sent him summons (and NOT Roy's blog host)
This Mindchamps lawyer is trying to blast his way through and even wants to use blackmail to have the whole thread taken down: then what is the point of open internet forums if entire threads are removed just because some individual have bad manners???!!! (Unless of course the premise of the whole thread is malicious in the first place (e.g. thread starter based his allegations on FALSE EVIDENCE)), however, where personal experience is concerned, there is indeed BERY WIDE VARIATIONS BETWEEN PERSONS: soerhaps the BEST way to resolve the conundrum/ dispute is for mindchamps to identify and engage its own customer as part of its service recovery process.
Removing peoples opinions from forums unless obviously unjustified / proven malicious/ false tantermounts to bunker mentality and obsfucation of the truth.
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Maybe ALL SG forums threads like HWZ A1, sammyboy SHOULD NOT be closed/ locked unless dangerous (e.g. getting libellous, off topic(discuss/ criticise religion etc against forum rules etc). Otherwise the complainant lawyers could say: see, your closure of the thread precluded my right of response: and then the trouble starts. Let people comment as much as they want, unless the thread hits technical limit and has to be restarted for hard/software performance reasons etc.
If people want to dig out old threads because they want right of response, then so be it: these are open forums: as long as one is truthful and honest, at most freedom of speech respecting sites, anything (with a semblence of decorum ) goes.
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nonsense
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nonsense
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Definetly an opinion.
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Originally posted by bic_cherry:
At least LHL's expensive lawyer did proper job of identifying the article author (Roy Ngerng) and sent him summons (and NOT Roy's blog host)
This Mindchamps lawyer is trying to blast his way through and even wants to use blackmail to have the whole thread taken down: then what is the point of open internet forums if entire threads are removed just because some individual have bad manners???!!! (Unless of course the premise of the whole thread is malicious in the first place (e.g. thread starter based his allegations on FALSE EVIDENCE)), however, where personal experience is concerned, there is indeed BERY WIDE VARIATIONS BETWEEN PERSONS: soerhaps the BEST way to resolve the conundrum/ dispute is for mindchamps to identify and engage its own customer as part of its service recovery process.
Removing peoples opinions from forums unless obviously unjustified / proven malicious/ false tantermounts to bunker mentality and obsfucation of the truth.
Don'T care how his lawyer do it, suing a citizen is a no no. Taboo!