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    4,048 posts since Dec '03
    • Please call the 24/7 NS hotline at 1800-3676767 to speak to a customer service officer.

  • Pardevs's Avatar
    2 posts since Mar '14
    • Hi, My specialist wrote in the memo to recommend me for excuse stay in and excuse outfield for allergies to dustmite, grass and a deviated septum. I gave it to the MO at my Pre Enlistee medical check up in December. I got PES D as i had an abnormal ECG and signs of asthma. I went to the heart centre and it seems like im all clear regarding the abnormal ecg. I went to my first asthma consultation and the Dr said i most likely have asthma but im yet to go for my next appointment to diagnose it. Was wondering what are the chances the MO will grant what my specialist recommended with or without having asthma. Thanks.

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    14 posts since Mar '15
    • FYI, PES is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PULHHEEMS.


      1) Go to Public Hospital / Private Specialist.

      Note: You will be classified as a subsidised patient if your first visit is via:

      • Referral letter from a Government Restructured Hospital under subsidised status, A&E, Polyclinic or SAF, without specifying a specialist by name.
      • Discharge from inpatient class B2 or C without specifying a specialist by name.


      2)
      Consult specialist, and do whatever medical check ups required. E.g. physical exam, blood test, x-ray, CT scan, MRI scan.

       

      3) Specialist gave a finalised clinical diagnosis.

       

      4) Get the specialist to write you a memo which is to be given to SAF MO. Those who can and are willing to spend some more money can get him/her to write you a specialist report, which is more precise and detailed.

      Note: For not to waste time and money, please be more direct yet humble. Request the specialist to write about reviewing of PES and medical board / anything specific such as any excuses to your conditions.

       

      5) Book an medical review appointment using the eHealth module @ www.ns.sg (for NSman Reservists).

      Just go down to your camp medical centre (for NSFs).

      Call CMPB @ 6373 1340 to request another PES review (for Pre-Enlistees after CMPB Checkup).

       

      6) Make a trip down to the respective unit camp medical centre. Give the MO whatever supporting documents you have in hand. E.g. Specialist memo/report (most usually the case and highly recommended), x-ray films, CT/MRI scan report, blood investigation lab report... etc.

       

      7) MO will decide whether you are deemed eligible for KIV downgrade, according to the criterias set in the "PES Bible" directive. E.g. Diagnosis, Extent of Diagnosis, Degree of Diagnosis/Injury/Illness/Disease...etc.

       

      8) If deemed so, you will sign an acknowledgement notice of Medical Board, whereby your case statement is prepared for review discussion at the monthly medical board meet (usually at the Formation/Division HQ) with another NSF CPT MO and the Chairman (SAF Regular Medical Doctor of MAJOR rank or above). Your Medical Board result will be post mailed to you by your respective NSHRC (Formation NS Hub).

       

      Time and time again, the questions for Medical Review (Downgrade) is repetitive. Therefore, this serves as a general SOP for Medical Board.

       

      Extract from www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen:
      NSmen must update their NS HRCs if they should develop any new medical condition or if their existing medical condition has worsened which might affect their ability to perform their duties during ICT. Arrangements will then be made for them to attend a medical review at the SAF medical centre to assess their fitness for NS.

      The NSmen MUST bring along all investigation results and memorandums from his external physician/specialist during the medical review. Depending on the outcome of the medical review, the NSman may be given a medical certificate to defer him from ICT, be scheduled for a medical board to downgrade him if his medical condition is significant, or referred to a restructured hospital for further investigation. In the event that the medical officer determines that the NSman’s medical condition will not affect his ability to participate in the ICT, he will allow the NSman to attend the ICT.

      Edited by eac 23 Mar `15, 11:01PM
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    1 post since Apr '15
    • Please call the 24/7 NS hotline at 1800-3676767 to speak to a customer service officer.

      Edited by eac 07 Apr `15, 8:56AM
  • _040699_'s Avatar
    3 posts since Aug '14
    • Hi guys. I'm wondering what my pes status would be. 

      Height:175cm

      Weight:66kg

      Never had any surgery or broken any limbs

      Left eye 300 degree

      Right eye 350 degree

      Napfa gold

      No sickness of any sort.

       

      Can I get into commandos?

  • Moderator
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    4,048 posts since Dec '03
    • Within combat-fit PES A or B range.

       

      For Commando Vocational Assessment (VA) Selection Test, to be on the waiting list/  shortlist, please voluntary self express interest at CMPB customer service counters on the CMPB medical checkup day itself.

      Please self express interest at the CMPB customer service reception counter for CDO/ NDU vocational assessment selection test. 


      Vocational Assessment

      Upon completion of your pre-enlistment medical screening, you will be required to go through Vocational Assessment at the Vocational Assessment Centre (VAC). This is done using a battery of tests called the Manpower Aptitude Assessment System (MAPAS) to assess your mental abilities. This is so that we can maximize our limited manpower by putting people where their abilities can be best used.

      Your Vocational Assessment scores will affect important decisions, which include assignment to a vocation and selection to be a commander (Officer, Specialist).

      Therefore, you should put in as much effort as possible to do the tests well and accurately, as this will not only help the nation maximize it's limited manpower, but also help us place you into vocations that will make good use of your abilities.

      Click here for more information on the MAPAS tests and how to be prepared.

      Edited by eac 11 Apr `15, 11:39PM
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    2 posts since Apr '15
    • Hi all, 

      Im 21 years old, Malaysian, (not PR) currently working in Singapore by holding WP, almost 1 and half years been. I wonder if im able to join CONTRACT SERVICE (EOS/EWOS). ? 

       

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    4,048 posts since Dec '03
    • Please use the information to get in touch and find out how to reach us.

          Army Recruitment Centre

          3 Depot Road #01-66
          Singapore 109680

          HOTLINE

          1800 - OUR ARMY (687 2769)

          MRT / buses

          Queenstown MRT Station
          Redhill MRT Station
          57, 145, 175, 195, 272, 273, 408

          Edited by eac 14 Apr `15, 8:05PM
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        2 posts since Oct '14
      • Moderator
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        4,048 posts since Dec '03
        • FYI, PES is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PULHHEEMS.


          1) Go to Public Hospital / Private Specialist.

          Note: You will be classified as a subsidised patient if your first visit is via:

          • Referral letter from a Government Restructured Hospital under subsidised status, A&E, Polyclinic or SAF, without specifying a specialist by name.
          • Discharge from inpatient class B2 or C without specifying a specialist by name.


          2)
          Consult specialist, and do whatever medical check ups required. E.g. physical exam, blood test, x-ray, CT scan, MRI scan.

           

          3) Specialist gave a finalised clinical diagnosis.

           

          4) Get the specialist to write you a memo which is to be given to SAF MO. Those who can and are willing to spend some more money can get him/her to write you a specialist report, which is more precise and detailed.

          Note: For not to waste time and money, please be more direct yet humble. Request the specialist to write about reviewing of PES and medical board / anything specific such as any excuses to your conditions.

           

          5) Book an medical review appointment using the eHealth module @ www.ns.sg (for NSman Reservists).

          Just go down to your camp medical centre (for NSFs).

          Call CMPB @ 6373 1340 to request another PES review (for Pre-Enlistees after CMPB Checkup).

           

          6) Make a trip down to the respective unit camp medical centre. Give the MO whatever supporting documents you have in hand. E.g. Specialist memo/report (most usually the case and highly recommended), x-ray films, CT/MRI scan report, blood investigation lab report... etc.

           

          7) MO will decide whether you are deemed eligible for KIV downgrade, according to the criterias set in the "PES Bible" directive. E.g. Diagnosis, Extent of Diagnosis, Degree of Diagnosis/Injury/Illness/Disease...etc.

           

          8) If deemed so, you will sign an acknowledgement notice of Medical Board, whereby your case statement is prepared for review discussion at the monthly medical board meet (usually at the Formation/Division HQ) with another NSF CPT MO and the Chairman (SAF Regular Medical Doctor of MAJOR rank or above). Your Medical Board result will be post mailed to you by your respective NSHRC (Formation NS Hub).

           

          Time and time again, the questions for Medical Review (Downgrade) is repetitive. Therefore, this serves as a general SOP for Medical Board.

           

          Extract from www.mindef.gov.sg/nsmen:
          NSmen must update their NS HRCs if they should develop any new medical condition or if their existing medical condition has worsened which might affect their ability to perform their duties during ICT. Arrangements will then be made for them to attend a medical review at the SAF medical centre to assess their fitness for NS.

          The NSmen MUST bring along all investigation results and memorandums from his external physician/specialist during the medical review. Depending on the outcome of the medical review, the NSman may be given a medical certificate to defer him from ICT, be scheduled for a medical board to downgrade him if his medical condition is significant, or referred to a restructured hospital for further investigation. In the event that the medical officer determines that the NSman’s medical condition will not affect his ability to participate in the ICT, he will allow the NSman to attend the ICT.

          Edited by eac 23 Apr `15, 10:19PM
      • SBS n SMRT's Avatar
        4,506 posts since Mar '08
        • Upgrading Or Downgrading Of PES
          (From Admin Point Of View)


          Downgrade To PES C/ D/ E (Perm or Temp)
          Downgrade to a certain PES status will mean that due to your medical condition, you are no longer fighting fit in your present vocation.
          This means that you will be re-vocated to a vocation suitable for this PES.
          1) Re-vocation is done by NS unit's S1 Manpower Branch, not picked/ chose by NSF.
          2) Re-vocation is dependable on PES and NS unit manpower vacancy.
          3) Re-vocation will also mean you may be re-depolyed to another formation/ unit/ camp altogether.

          Upgrade From PES C/ D/ E
          For: Enlisted as PES E or Temp PES E.
          PES E Upgrade to PES A, B or C will mean a re-vocation. You will be required to take your BMT in accordance to your PES status (in Tekong), and subsequently re-vocate to a brand new vocation.

          PES A/ B/ C Downgrade/ Upgrade for BMT Recourse
          This is applicable to those who downgraded or upgraded to any of the PES A/ B/ C
          1) If the NSF has had already completed and PASSED his BMT course, then don't need to recourse anymore. This is also applicable to those who downgrade/ upgrade after BMT.

          2) If the person completed but FAILED his BMT, then recourse is a must. This is regardless if he is downgraded or upgraded. As long as you never pass your BMT you have to redo again. Of course the redo recourse will be in accordance to your new PES.

          3.) If the person OOC during BMT and downgrade. Then yes, you must go for recourse. Yes, even those OOC just before the POP. No choice. This is because you never complete and pass your BMT.

          4) PES C Need to do Reservist?

          Yes, of course. 10-Year Reservist Cycle, same as PES A/ B combat-fit NSmen.

          5) PES E Need to do Reservist?

          Now will/ must, due to NSmen manpower shortage. (Not enough SG citizen babies...)
          Because Put on Reserve Holding List (RHL) =/= Mindef Reserve (MR) / Stand Down

          Edited by eac 26 Apr `15, 2:23PM
      • Xxx10xxX's Avatar
        4 posts since Apr '15
        • NS Pre-Enlistee here. PES AL1.

          Do what? How?

           

          Refer: http://sgforums.com/forums/1390/topics/395004

           

          Physical Employment Status (PES)

          Arrow PES A (L1) = Fit for all combat vocations. (Full BMT)

          Arrow PES B (L1) = Fit for most combat vocations. (Full BMT)

          All PES A and B1 will be followed by the L-Code (Land Deployability Code) as follows:

          L1 – Fit for all field duties including frontline duty.
          Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations and be involved in direct combat.

          Arrow PES Bp = Fit for obese Full BMT (applicable to obese recruits).

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          Arrow PES B2 (formerly called C1) - Fit for some combat vocations. Required to take IPPT but can be excused up to 2 static stations in IPPT.

          PES B2 grading will be followed by the L-Code (Land Depolyability Code) as follows:

          L1 – Fit for all field duties including frontline duty.  Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations and be involved in direct combat.

          L2 – Fit for most field duties.  Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations of Brigade HQ level units and above, and/or Combat Support vocations in frontline units of Battalion and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.

          L3 – Able to bear firearms and operate in a field environment.  Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above, and/or Combat Service Support Vocations at all echelons.

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          Arrow PES C = Fit for combat service support vocations. (Modified BMT)

          Further subdivided into:

          PES C2 - Do not have to take IPPT for NSF/ NSman, except regulars who are required to take Alternative Aerobic Fitness Test (AAFT).

          PES C9 - All servicemen not required to take IPPT.

          PES C grading will be followed by L-Code (Land Deployability Code) as follows:

          L2 – Fit for most field duties.  Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations of Brigade HQ level units and above, and/or Combat Support vocations in frontline units of Battalion and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.

          L3 – Able to bear firearms and operate in a field environment.  Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.

          L9 – Able to bear firearms and protect themselves, others and property. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations in Main Support Area, and/or Combat Service Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above.

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          Arrow PES D = Temporary unfit for grading and pending further review.

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          Arrow PES E = Fit for administrative duties only.

          PES E1 - Able to participate in simple observance parades and LIFE activites.

          PES E9 - Unfit for any forms of physical activities; field duties/exercises.

          PES E grading will be followed by the L-Code (Land Deployment Code) as follows:
          L9 – Able to bear firearms and protect themselves, others and property.  Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations in Main Support Area, and/or Combat Service Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above.

          Arrow PES F = Medically unfit for any form of service.

          Edited by eac 17 Apr `15, 11:01PM
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        4,048 posts since Dec '03
        • Medical screening is a series of medical tests done at the Medical Classification Centre (MCC) at CMPB (location map).

          The objective of these tests is to ascertain your medical condition and accord you a suitable Physical Employment Status (PES). Based on your PES, you will be assigned to a suitable vocation.

          Here are the various PES gradings:

          • PES A: Fit for all combat vocations
          • PES B1: Fit for most combat vocations
          • PES B2: Fit for some combat vocations
          • PES BP: Fit for obese BMT training
          • PES C: Fit for combat support vocations
          • PES D: Temporary unfit for grading and pending further review
          • PES E: Fit for administrative duties only
          • PES F: Medically unfit for any form of service

          Note that if you are given a PES D grading, it means that more time/tests are required to confirm your medical condition. This normally takes about 2-3 months. However, this duration may be longer depending on your medical condition.

          More information on Medical Classification Centre (NS Portal).

          Commitment to Care

          Want to find out more about the SAF medical system? Follow a recruit from his pre-enlistment medical examination to his encounters with the medical service during his BMT.

      • superman12345's Avatar
        1 post since Apr '15
        • Hello! I've just found out about this thread and would really like to find out about some answers. 

          I had ankle ligament tear about 2 years ago and the swell hasnt gone down till now, with some tingling feeling in  my ankle everytime I do something strenuous on my legs. 

          I also popped out my shoulder in bmt and its still a bit painful when I try to extend my arms. Although its better now, but still pain to some extend. Like I can't even hang on a pull up bar otherwise my shoulder will pull and will get very painful.

          Im seeing a specialist soon to see about my problems.

          I really hope I can down pes cos my vocation will be quite tough and I want to avoid any other injuries. 

          What are my chances of getting a down pes? Im B1L1 btw. Thanks!

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      • user94's Avatar
        3 posts since Apr '15
        • Hi guys, was given temp c 6 months upon enlistment and completed pes c bmt. If I up to pes b, do i need to go through bmt again? Or do we onli need to go through bmt once?

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      • SBS n SMRT's Avatar
        4,506 posts since Mar '08
        • Upgrading Or Downgrading Of PES
          (From Admin Point Of View)


          Downgrade To PES C/ D/ E (Perm or Temp)
          Downgrade to a certain PES status will mean that due to your medical condition, you are no longer fighting fit in your present vocation.
          This means that you will be re-vocated to a vocation suitable for this PES.
          1) Re-vocation is done by NS unit's S1 Manpower Branch, not picked/ chose by NSF.
          2) Re-vocation is dependable on PES and NS unit manpower vacancy.
          3) Re-vocation will also mean you may be re-depolyed to another formation/ unit/ camp altogether.

          Upgrade From PES C/ D/ E
          For: Enlisted as PES E or Temp PES E.
          PES E Upgrade to PES A, B or C will mean a re-vocation. You will be required to take your BMT in accordance to your PES status (in Tekong), and subsequently re-vocate to a brand new vocation.

          PES A/ B/ C Downgrade/ Upgrade for BMT Recourse
          This is applicable to those who downgraded or upgraded to any of the PES A/ B/ C
          1) If the NSF has had already completed and PASSED his BMT course, then don't need to recourse anymore. This is also applicable to those who downgrade/ upgrade after BMT.

          2) If the person completed but FAILED his BMT, then recourse is a must. This is regardless if he is downgraded or upgraded. As long as you never pass your BMT you have to redo again. Of course the redo recourse will be in accordance to your new PES.

          3.) If the person OOC during BMT and downgrade. Then yes, you must go for recourse. Yes, even those OOC just before the POP. No choice. This is because you never complete and pass your BMT.

          4) PES C Need to do Reservist?

          Yes, of course. 10-Year Reservist Cycle, same as PES A/ B combat-fit NSmen.

          5) PES E Need to do Reservist?

          Now will/ must, due to NSmen manpower shortage. (Not enough SG citizen babies...)
          10-Year Reservist Cycle, same as PES A/ B combat-fit NSmen.
          Because Put on Reserve Holding List (RHL) =/= Mindef Reserve (MR) / Stand Down

          Edited by eac 27 Apr `15, 8:51AM
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