Sands Case Mdm Choo talk abt releasing animals miracles

• Leogirldreamer

  17 Nov 11, 13:17

  Good.  I also know your type. You should have shut up long ago when you know zero about animal release.

• dragg

  17 Nov 11, 13:20

  Originally posted by Leogirldreamer:

  that article is not posted by me, use your eyes to read.  You are the only one who is biased against animal release and adamant about it without any single true knowledge.

  Have you ever released any animal before ? Have you joined in any buddhist ceremony before ? if not , shut your gap and use your eyes to read instead.  

  so you know better just because you have the experience of releasing animals?

  so everyone who has been to a karaoke knows how to sing?

  so the fact you have joined a buddhist ceremony makes you better?

  do you always turn aggressive when people disagree with you?

   

• Leogirldreamer

  17 Nov 11, 16:32

  dragg if  you are flaming this topic, get lost ! I have not being aggressive but your ignorance is testing my patience.

• Obersturmfuhrer

  17 Nov 11, 16:39

  5. The Ecological Reason
  Planet Earth is suffereing. In large measure, the escalating loss of species, destruction of ancient rainforests to create pasture lands for live stock, loss of topsoils and the consequent increase of water impurities and air pollution have all been traced to the single fact of meat in the human diet. No decision that we can make as individuals or as a race can have such a dramatic effect on the improvement of our planetary ecology as the decision not to eat meat.

   

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  dragg and that lying fellow up there, there is also great Ecological Reason for releasing animals back into the Wild.  So stop thinking only your Nature Society's propaganda is the right one.

  On what grounds do you accuse others of lying? By failure to provide photographic evidence? I don't think anyone is as bored as some as to actively go to these places that I've already mention just to take photos of anglers fishing. On that count, YOU have also failed to provide any photographic evidence other than claiming ONE case of "personal experience", making you the liar.

  I also fail to see the how the article is arguing FOR animal release. Just because some species are dwindling in numbers due to human impact, how does it help when you release totally different species, some of which may further impact or even lead to the extinction of the endangered ones to begin with? Your argument here is baffling.
  

  Originally posted by Leogirldreamer:

  that article is not posted by me, use your eyes to read.  You are the only one who is biased against animal release and adamant about it without any single true knowledge.

  Have you ever released any animal before ? Have you joined in any buddhist ceremony before ? if not , shut your gap and use your eyes to read instead.  

  Very good advice indeed. If only you'd heed your own advice and READ what others have provided. One of the articles provided even quoted Ms Angie Monksfield, President of Buddhist Fellowship (reborn76's post) that echoes the message we are trying to put across. The Nature Society is not Government affliated and its message is also echoed by the National Parks board. You say propaganda I say education.

  http://www.wildsingapore.com/news/20060506/060510-6.htm

  http://www.nparks.gov.sg/cms/index.php?option=com_news&task=view&id=257&Itemid=50 (quoting Mr Henry Baey, President of the Buddhist Fellowship)

  It seems that at this point, you are incapable of being engaged in an intelligent discussion so I shall ignore further rants and insults. I am so glad zealots like you are not involved in any form of policy-making so far.

  http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/422151

• dragg

  17 Nov 11, 16:47

  Originally posted by Leogirldreamer:

  dragg if  you are flaming this topic, get lost ! I have not being aggressive but your ignorance is testing my patience.

  you are really one amazing character.

  you are accusing me when you are all the above.

  frankly, let the others by the judge.

  you are really living in denial.

  lets stop this discussion.  i am sick of talking to someone like you.

   

   

• Leogirldreamer

  17 Nov 11, 21:28

  both of you are just posting articles from websites and have absolutely no idea what is animal release , yet both of you have the cheeks to give untrue facts about people waiting in Singapore to catch the fish release, people are releasing goldfish in sea and rabbit in forests.  All sorts of non-sense.

  I have at least photos of the kelong release which i have post here and my personal experiences to share here. What do both of you have? lies and assumption of how people release animals. Also ignorance of what is pets discarded by owners and the real buddhist ceremony.

  Finally dragg, i know you are not a Singaporean, so stop flaming a topic here when you know nothing about Singapore  ( make my toes laugh when you have to apologise for assuming temples sell animals for release and accusing temples of doing so )

  Last but not least, i am glad none of you are actually Singaporeans when you both are just opening your mouth to insult others without any wisdom to share here. At least have the decency to shut your mouth on a topic both of you have no experiences in and still have the stupidity to laugh at others for being kind.

   

   

• Leogirldreamer

  17 Nov 11, 21:33

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• SBS2601D

  17 Nov 11, 21:36

  Originally posted by Leogirldreamer:

  5. The Ecological Reason
  Planet Earth is suffereing. In large measure, the escalating loss of species, destruction of ancient rainforests to create pasture lands for live stock, loss of topsoils and the consequent increase of water impurities and air pollution have all been traced to the single fact of meat in the human diet. No decision that we can make as individuals or as a race can have such a dramatic effect on the improvement of our planetary ecology as the decision not to eat meat.

   

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  dragg and that lying fellow up there, there is also great Ecological Reason for releasing animals back into the Wild.  So stop thinking only your Nature Society's propaganda is the right one.

  What has not eating meat got to do with the potentially harmful effects of wanton release of foreign animals?

• Leogirldreamer

  17 Nov 11, 21:37

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  人间行者

  more real miracle stories from releasing animals here....

   

  http://hi.baidu.com/oһЦһ%B3%BEԵo/blog/item/6315802bbf9f1892033bf68a.html

• Leogirldreamer

  17 Nov 11, 21:41

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• Leogirldreamer

  17 Nov 11, 21:45

  whole book on many true miracles stories that happen to people after they take up releasing animals activities.

   

  放生感应奇迹记

  
  莲�居士编述

   

  http://boruo.goodweb.cn/books2/1266.htm

• dragg

  18 Nov 11, 09:29

  Originally posted by Leogirldreamer:

  both of you are just posting articles from websites and have absolutely no idea what is animal release , yet both of you have the cheeks to give untrue facts about people waiting in Singapore to catch the fish release, people are releasing goldfish in sea and rabbit in forests.  All sorts of non-sense.

  I have at least photos of the kelong release which i have post here and my personal experiences to share here. What do both of you have? lies and assumption of how people release animals. Also ignorance of what is pets discarded by owners and the real buddhist ceremony.

  Finally dragg, i know you are not a Singaporean, so stop flaming a topic here when you know nothing about Singapore  ( make my toes laugh when you have to apologise for assuming temples sell animals for release and accusing temples of doing so )

  Last but not least, i am glad none of you are actually Singaporeans when you both are just opening your mouth to insult others without any wisdom to share here. At least have the decency to shut your mouth on a topic both of you have no experiences in and still have the stupidity to laugh at others for being kind.

   

   

  let me summarized.

  whatever we said we have to show you evidence.  what do you expect?  a photograph or video shoot of someone asking me if i want to release animals in the temple.  same for the kelong thing for the other guy?

  can you provide evidence of the birds you released?

  i posted articles on animal release and you said its propaganda.  what about those you just posted?  those are facts?

  so everything you say is the truth and carved in stones.  hence, no proof required.

  all articles against animal release is propaganda.  all articles supporting animal release are facts.

   

   

  why the double standard?

  in short all you are telling us is ANIMAL RELEASE IS GOOD AND THOSE WHO DISAGREE SHOULD SHUT THEIR GAP, GET LOST, ARE LIARS AND NOT SINGAPOREANs.

   

   

• dragg

  18 Nov 11, 09:45

  btw, we can all learn something valuable from these exchanges.

   

  whenever someone say something negative, on purpose or otherwise, about religious matters either ignore them or explain nicely.  if you cant control your emotions you should refrain.

  dont call names.  dont tell people to shut up or get lost. and dont call people liars.

  its very unbecoming of religious people to talk that way.  its bad enough for an atheist to do that.  its doubly bad if you are religious.  and its even worst if you are a buddhist.

  coz we all know what buddhism is all about.  one of the most basic teachings of buddhism is to control your mouth is it not?

   

   

• dragg

  18 Nov 11, 09:51

  i made you toes laugh when i apologized?  i apologized not because i was sprouting rubbish but because i cant provide evidence for something i dont have.

  at least you can laugh.  i cant even laugh over your refusal to admit your weakness.

   

   

   

• the Bear

  18 Nov 11, 10:09

  

• dragg

  18 Nov 11, 10:14

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  

  what are you trying to tell us?

• the Bear

  18 Nov 11, 10:20

  Originally posted by dragg:

  what are you trying to tell us?

  seems like someone is mindlessly thinking that "releasing animals is good"

  that's what some morons did in the US and caused a few ecological disasters.. the fish you see there? asian carp in a US river... they don't belong there... the fish ate everything in the river system and caused an environmental collapse...

  same thing with the snakehead fish...

  closer to home, same thing happened here on a smaller scale with terrapins or red-earred sliders.. the aggressive terrapins decimated the local Malayan Box Turtle population.. the local turtle is now probably extinct...

  look in the water system here you'll see introduced species like the peacock bass and the cichlid, all "released" for "good karma" or some shit like that... they went on to decimate the local species...

  "miracles from releasing"?

  do it only when you know what you are doing.. not some uneducated deluded self-created dogma to follow...

• elindra

  18 Nov 11, 10:28

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  seems like someone is mindlessly thinking that "releasing animals is good"

  that's what some morons did in the US and caused a few ecological disasters.. the fish you see there? asian carp in a US river... they don't belong there... the fish ate everything in the river system and caused an environmental collapse...

  same thing with the snakehead fish...

  closer to home, same thing happened here on a smaller scale with terrapins or red-earred sliders.. the aggressive terrapins decimated the local Malayan Box Turtle population.. the local turtle is now probably extinct...

  look in the water system here you'll see introduced species like the peacock bass and the cichlid, all "released" for "good karma" or some shit like that... they went on to decimate the local species...

  "miracles from releasing"?

  do it only when you know what you are doing.. not some uneducated deluded self-created dogma to follow...

  You beat me to this Bear

  I do not avocate releasing animals into the wild as well. A lot of our local species are extinct or nearly extinct due to this practice. 

  Most of the fishes you see in the reseviors are NOT native species at all because our native fishes and turtles have all become food for the non-native species released into the wild. 

• Tcmc

  18 Nov 11, 13:51

  But if she releases the animals, isn't that upsetting the ecology of the reservoir? 

   

  The frogs might not survive the environment too. There are fishes (predators) or they might get caught in trash or get stepped on by humans.

   

  Isn't it unwise to release animals in captivity into the "wild"?

• alize

  18 Nov 11, 14:01

  Almost all these animals will die.

  I hope more people make merit in other ways.

• sinweiy

  18 Nov 11, 14:28

  Originally posted by Fcukpap:

  hence, the birth of vegetarianism...

  
  vegetarianism is not born due to this le....  :)

   

  i agree if one don't have wisdom to do it, make merit in other ways. Almost all these animals die or not all depends on the wisdom of the person. thing is, don't releases all will die too. imagine if one is in captivity, do u like?

• justdoit77

  18 Nov 11, 15:48

  One good way to do life release is to go to places where people normally fish, buy and release the fish that they caught. These are wild fish, not captive ones. Spend your sunday morning time going to east coast park do life release will be very meaningful.

• Tcmc

  18 Nov 11, 15:51

  Originally posted by justdoit77:

  One good way to do life release is to go to places where people normally fish, buy and release the fish that they caught. These are wild fish, not captive ones. Spend your sunday morning time going to east coast park do life release will be very meaningful.

  justdoit77

   

  Good suggestion. By the fishes would have been hooked and injured? Will they survive?

• justdoit77

  18 Nov 11, 15:56

  Originally posted by Tcmc:

  justdoit77

   Good suggestion. By the fishes would have been hooked and injured? Will they survive?

  I only choose those still alive one, some are still very lively, some even though injured, but I usually dont give up on them.

• Clivebenss

  18 Nov 11, 15:58

  Originally posted by justdoit77:

  I only choose those still alive one, some are still very lively, some even though injured, but I usually dont give up on them.

  Might as well preach to the anglers not to fish?

  Can you do it?