Many Singaporeans migrating....How come???
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Don't be curious, find out for yourself. I am no a snakehead, won't squeeze you in a container to ship you there to pick shell. (Just kidding)Originally posted by will4:I curious as what kind of work those Sporean get when they migrated to other countries? Not everybody get work as white collar personnel.
In UK there are employment rule saying that foreigner can be offered a job if no english can be found for the job. Unlike here, anyone claimed talent can come in.
I would say mostly blue collars and some white collar jobs. No lower admin or clercial officer, they got lot there.
Healthcare officer, nursing are very popular choice everywhere these days. Unless you have some experience that they needs, then they may considered having you in their management post. Very rare, but still have. On the other hand, with those you should be enjoying a good salary job here.
Some went over to set up their own business or eatries, with their existing networking. Be prepared to pay the higher tax and GST or VAT.
One of my former uni-mate and his wife went to New Zealand as farmers.
Another one married a french woman and settled in french doing wine related farming.
I can't advise you much as I don't know what your needs in life. It would be better for you to find out on your own.
There are many terms and restrictions on what you can do and cannot do. So don't "play-play" with their regulator/custom.
If you are comfortable with your life here, I would not encourage you to think of it. Cause going oversea need to adapt very fast and cannot be a social monster. -
I do agree with you on the point of a plumber getting better pay in sterling pound of 3-6K depended on area.Originally posted by vito_corleone:plumbers in the uk get paid up to sgd10k a month.
As mentioned UK got their employment law, no you or me can go there be plumber.
One of my course mate (degree holder) actually worked as a plumber after he graduated. (He was about 40 years then). Oversea, the payment for service work is very much more then here. That is mainly because there don't allow "foreign talent" for such jobs. They are paid very well which I do agree.
However, one needed to take note the places can be very far away for some residential to find a plumber, some might be just county and not even a town.
The customer there are also more professional enough to pay as charge instead of asking for discount because they respected their professional work provided. You needed to be licensed by the authority.
Please don't ask me why the market for such job is so bad here. I don't wish to speculate. Anyway I only believe engaging local singaporean to perform such tasks which is also killing my business due to undercutting by other player. (No saying that I am bias, because my heart is still here) -
Just look at the mrt trains nowadays. There are so many commuters filling up the trains leaving with no seats and cabin full of people... where do all these people come from...wonder why all of sudden it is so crowded? But anyway it has certainly worked out a good way of attaining good income and revenue from these commuters...especially with so many foreign people taking our trains.
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Lucky in Singapore we don't have to pay for that kind of expensive services.Originally posted by vito_corleone:plumbers in the uk get paid up to sgd10k a month. 
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:Lucky in Singapore we don't have to pay for that kind of expensive services. I understand that there may be some regulatory requirement on licensing of worker on the jobs. Hence don't be too happy so early, likely to see so increase in service fee.
I am senting my staff for training once the course is opened. For your information the course is not cheap. -
What about the occupation such as baker? I read thru Canada's immigration they prefer to let baker immigrate into the country n the same went forOriginally posted by king108:Don't be curious, find out for yourself. I am no a snakehead, won't squeeze you in a container to ship you there to pick shell. (Just kidding)
In UK there are employment rule saying that foreigner can be offered a job if no english can be found for the job. Unlike here, anyone claimed talent can come in.
I would say mostly blue collars and some white collar jobs. No lower admin or clercial officer, they got lot there.
Healthcare officer, nursing are very popular choice everywhere these days. Unless you have some experience that they needs, then they may considered having you in their management post. Very rare, but still have. On the other hand, with those you should be enjoying a good salary job here.
Some went over to set up their own business or eatries, with their existing networking. Be prepared to pay the higher tax and GST or VAT.
One of my former uni-mate and his wife went to New Zealand as farmers.
Another one married a french woman and settled in french doing wine related farming.
I can't advise you much as I don't know what your needs in life. It would be better for you to find out on your own.
There are many terms and restrictions on what you can do and cannot do. So don't "play-play" with their regulator/custom.
If you are comfortable with your life here, I would not encourage you to think of it. Cause going oversea need to adapt very fast and cannot be a social monster.
Australia.
Ur fren also went to NZ as farmer? Which part of the country? -
I had not contacted them since we parrted from UK. May needed to find out from our uni alumnus.Originally posted by will4:What about the occupation such as baker? I read thru Canada's immigration they prefer to let baker immigrate into the country n the same went for
Australia.
Ur fren also went to NZ as farmer? Which part of the country?
I don't know much about baker..sorry cannot comment on that. -
I think many local immigrate because of NS especially with the law being tightened already.Originally posted by king108:I had not contacted them since we parrted from UK. May needed to find out from our uni alumnus.
I don't know much about baker..sorry cannot comment on that. -
For their case, it is definitely no. They belonged to a group that do not demand much desire for luxury material needs. All they asked for was a simple, carefree and meaning life for them. Furthermore they wanted a healtier and less stressful environment for them to bring up their future generation.Originally posted by will4:
I think many local immigrate because of NS especially with the law being tightened already.
I recalled what they do, yeap it's fur harvasting.
There is nothing to be afraid of servicing NS, I never run away, not saying I don't have the opportunity, I don't see the need then. (at that time - still new and green) -
most migrate because of the education for their children, cannot tahan second language. Then there are those who are looking for a less stressful life, these usually studied overseas, found jobs there, married locals there.....and their parents were able to take care of themselves if they don't want to migrate with them. I have so far not heard of any people immigrate because of NS. What so frightening about NS? What would you do if you son want to sign on as a commando, or a fighter pilot?? quickly migrate?Originally posted by will4:I think many local immigrate because of NS especially with the law being tightened already. -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
NS is not a frightening thing but in Sprore, this is the lousy part, many NS person resent being sent to SISPEC to be sergeant or OCS to be officer.
most migrate because of the education for their children, cannot tahan second language. Then there are those who are looking for a less stressful life, these usually studied overseas, found jobs there, married locals there.....and their parents were able to take care of themselves if they don't want to migrate with them. I have so far not heard of any people immigrate because of NS. [b]What so frightening about NS? What would you do if you son want to sign on as a commando, or a fighter pilot?? quickly migrate? [/b]
There is some recruit liked to be commanders but not all.
I told u my PC recommended me to go to OCS but I reject. I am only Spore PR from Indonesia. Officer need to serve until 50 not to mentio we cannot reject promotion.
Let me tell u another thing there is nothing great about the red beret. -
I have seen cases servicemen awol to other countries n it happned to one inOriginally posted by sgdiehard:most migrate because of the education for their children, cannot tahan second language. Then there are those who are looking for a less stressful life, these usually studied overseas, found jobs there, married locals there.....and their parents were able to take care of themselves if they don't want to migrate with them. I have so far not heard of any people immigrate because of NS. What so frightening about NS? What would you do if you son want to sign on as a commando, or a fighter pilot?? quickly migrate?
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To some, it may be honourable to be an officers. To some, it may be just duties to carry out NS.Originally posted by will4:NS is not a frightening thing but in Sprore, this is the lousy part, many NS person resent being sent to SISPEC to be sergeant or OCS to be officer.
There is some recruit liked to be commanders but not all.
I told u my PC recommended me to go to OCS but I reject. I am only Spore PR from Indonesia. Officer need to serve until 50 not to mentio we cannot reject promotion.
Let me tell u another thing there is nothing great about the red beret.
I definitely no an commissioned officer for sure. NCO only. No red, black, green beret.
I was once selected during recruit but eventually got my way out. (Cos PC take care of me well). My CO / OC in the unit also wanted the same when I was serving in my unit later
(My OC was a regular NCO upgraded to commission officer) Some how I also managed to avoided. (Lot of coffee talking). Frankly speaking I don't know how they can do it...maybe just pulling my legs at that times.
Being a commission officer does had their advantages and disadvantages. Generally employer or interviewer may have a better thinking of you when you are a officer when you applying for jobs later. (As believed officers can lead, regardless whether you can perform or no in work). The reservice may be bits longer, by then you will be used to it. Whether, it's red, green, black or blue. At least you are serving and provened upon completion. Finally, think brightly will make your life easilier, wish you enjoy NS life and have funs. -
What is ur rank? Ur statement really brighten a person's day in work.Originally posted by king108:To some, it may be honourable to be an officers. To some, it may be just duties to carry out NS.
I definitely no an commissioned officer for sure. NCO only. No red, black, green beret.
I was once selected during recruit but eventually got my way out. (Cos PC take care of me well). My CO / OC in the unit also wanted the same when I was serving in my unit later (My OC was a regular NCO upgraded to commission officer) Some how I also managed to avoided. (Lot of coffee talking). Frankly speaking I don't know how they can do it...maybe just pulling my legs at that times.
Being a commission officer does had their advantages and disadvantages. Generally employer or interviewer may have a better thinking of you when you are a officer when you applying for jobs later. (As believed officers can lead, regardless whether you can perform or no in work). The reservice may be bits longer, by then you will be used to it. Whether, it's red, green, black or blue. At least you are serving and provened upon completion. Finally, think brightly will make your life easilier, wish you enjoy NS life and have funs. -
Asked to be private all the way, but still make me sewed 3 stripes up. Cost me $1.50 on each side.Originally posted by will4:What is ur rank? Ur statement really brighten a person's day in work.
Don't learnt too much from me, want a brighter future, go for commission officer. Now throw one stone can hit at least 5 nos. 3 stripes, every common. No like my time, maybe 2. -
oh plumbers aren't that expensive. Its just that theres a high demand and low supply. A lot of jobs and a few plumbers, means theres more plumbing jobs to be done or each plumber. Don't interpret everything in such a "singapore-favourable" way. Its naive and nationalistic..Originally posted by sgdiehard:Lucky in Singapore we don't have to pay for that kind of expensive services. -
i also disagree that ppl migrate due to NS.Originally posted by sgdiehard:most migrate because of the education for their children, cannot tahan second language. Then there are those who are looking for a less stressful life, these usually studied overseas, found jobs there, married locals there.....and their parents were able to take care of themselves if they don't want to migrate with them. I have so far not heard of any people immigrate because of NS. What so frightening about NS? What would you do if you son want to sign on as a commando, or a fighter pilot?? quickly migrate?
The real reason people migrate is that they are sick of the way Singapore society operates. Its as simple as that.
To think that people who migrate do so because they 'cannot tahan' 2nd language is absurd. Often those who migrate pick up a lot more languages. Also, many people who migrate usually don't do so simply because they studied there. If one gets a job after studying overseas, one must already have gone overseas for studies with an eye towards a future overseas. If u don't plan on having a future overseas, whats there to stop u from returning home and getting a job back home? The reasons it SEEMS that many people who migrate study overseas 1st, is a simple case of cause and effect. The cause being the want to migrate, and the effect being studying overseas. I'm afraid u might have mixed it up and exchanged the cause for the effect and vice versa. -
to be honest, life is more than just about getting a white collar job. Sometimes u look at people doing what they love and even tho they're not getting paid much, don't u just envy them? Because, honestly, they are making more out of their life than we are. Perhaps, a few Singaporeans who migrate realise that very truth, and are more than willing to take up jobs seen as "lowly" or irregular, in exchange to live life as fully as possible.Originally posted by will4:I curious as what kind of work those Sporean get when they migrated to other countries? Not everybody get work as white collar personnel. -
Originally posted by HENG@:to be honest, life is more than just about getting a white collar job. Sometimes u look at people doing what they love and even tho they're not getting paid much, don't u just envy them? Because, honestly, they are making more out of their life than we are. Perhaps, a few Singaporeans who migrate realise that very truth, and are more than willing to take up jobs seen as "lowly" or irregular, in exchange to live life as fully as possible. I do agree with you on this point. Cheers.
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Originally posted by HENG@:oh plumbers aren't that expensive. Its just that theres a high demand and low supply. A lot of jobs and a few plumbers, means theres more plumbing jobs to be done or each plumber. Don't interpret everything in such a "singapore-favourable" way. Its naive and nationalistic..
The problems for the charges for water, gas or even electric services here is no high. Mainly, many companies here had engaged under foreigner under "skill labour" work permit ($1600 min and 12hrs for some) to carry out the work. The boss or one of his chargehand could be licensed for signing. (No doing the actual works). This also applied for public tender system when licensed sign while work done by "so-called FT".
Very few companies like mine engaged solely local singaporean. (Singaporean already hardup yet go for foreigner - My corporate consciense didn't allow me to do it).
By paying singaporean a quality paid jobs, it is likely have business reduced by 75% as competitors are likely to undercut with group of "foreigner talents".
Unfortunately, most of the singapore registered clients and consumers mainly concentrated on cost reduction these days. It's may been very difficult to promote quality paid system for local singaporean here.
You are not in Singapore, let me tell you. These days, you see more and more singaporeans collecting used plates or cans in hawker centre which don't happened 5 to 10 years back.
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oh i don't need to be in Sg to figure that out. Its sad yea but, under the current society and system, Singapore can only go so far. I wonder when people will begin to realise that...Originally posted by king108: The problems for the charges for water, gas or even electric services here is no high. Mainly, many companies here had engaged under foreigner under "skill labour" work permit ($1600 min and 12hrs for some) to carry out the work. The boss or one of his chargehand could be licensed for signing. (No doing the actual works). This also applied for public tender system when licensed sign while work done by "so-called FT".
Very few companies like mine engaged solely local singaporean. (Singaporean already hardup yet go for foreigner - My corporate consciense didn't allow me to do it).
By paying singaporean a quality paid jobs, it is likely have business reduced by 75% as competitors are likely to undercut with group of "foreigner talents".
Unfortunately, most of the singapore registered clients and consumers mainly concentrated on cost reduction these days. It's may been very difficult to promote quality paid system for local singaporean here.
You are not in Singapore, let me tell you. These days, you see more and more singaporeans collecting used plates or cans in hawker centre which don't happened 5 to 10 years back. It's quite saddening.. -
If a plumber gets S$10k a month, he gets S$455 (5 days a week no holiday). If he made 5 visits a day, he should get S$91 from each customer!! somebody has to pay for his transportation, the materials, and if he work with an assistant, somebody has to pay for him too. So how much do you pay for a plumber for each visit in UK??Originally posted by HENG@:oh plumbers aren't that expensive. Its just that theres a high demand and low supply. A lot of jobs and a few plumbers, means theres more plumbing jobs to be done or each plumber. Don't interpret everything in such a "singapore-favourable" way. Its naive and nationalistic..
I paid S$40 for transportation and materials extra, like changing a tap. I paid up to S$180 when there is a severe blockage in the sewer system and it took 3 men about 3 hours to find the fault and solved it.
how much the plumber gets will have to come from the customers. Supply and demands just explain why it is expensive in UK, but it does not dispute the fact plumber service, and for that matter many other services are expensive in UK. If it makes you happy, we have great supplies of plumbers here, so we pay much less to get the service here. Simple mathematics, and not just economics, what so nationalistic about it?
the sound of Singapore, or anything good in singapore appears to turn you on.... You think people staying in singapore are all stupid??? We can afford even to have housemaid to clean floors and wash dishes here, you would have to be a Lord to afford that in UK, that's why the angmohs say they are living like Lords here in Asia.......before you get you Lordship, you have to do it yourself, don't forget to clean your toilet.. -
i simply have one sentence to rebute u:Originally posted by sgdiehard:If a plumber gets S$10k a month, he gets S$455 (5 days a week no holiday). If he made 5 visits a day, he should get S$91 from each customer!! somebody has to pay for his transportation, the materials, and if he work with an assistant, somebody has to pay for him too. So how much do you pay for a plumber for each visit in UK??
I paid S$40 for transportation and materials extra, like changing a tap. I paid up to S$180 when there is a severe blockage in the sewer system and it took 3 men about 3 hours to find the fault and solved it.
how much the plumber gets will have to come from the customers. Supply and demands just explain why it is expensive in UK, but it does not dispute the fact plumber service, and for that matter many other services are expensive in UK. If it makes you happy, we have great supplies of plumbers here, so we pay much less to get the service here. Simple mathematics, and not just economics, what so nationalistic about it?
the sound of Singapore, or anything good in singapore appears to turn you on.... You think people staying in singapore are all stupid??? We can afford even to have housemaid to clean floors and wash dishes here, you would have to be a Lord to afford that in UK, that's why the angmohs say they are living like Lords here in Asia.......before you get you Lordship, you have to do it yourself, don't forget to clean your toilet..
i don't pay ANYTHING for the plumber.
and unfortunately i see we have differing opinions of what its like to live like a Lord. For me, nothing is more kingly than being able to be true to who u are. Life is not just about shallow physical luxuries. Thats why I'm here and not in Sg. If I too wanted shallow luxuries, I'd stay in Sg. And yes thats why I think people in sg aren't quite enlightened yet, altho stupid is not the word. I guess if having a maid more than makes up for the the social discouragement on being true to oneself, i guess i can't say more than "power to u". -
They can't do much even they had realised as most of them are still scared and frightened by those who keep saying "without them with die".Originally posted by HENG@:oh i don't need to be in Sg to figure that out. Its sad yea but, under the current society and system, Singapore can only go so far. I wonder when people will begin to realise that...
Daily stress is enough to wear them down by then. Can only say "If you don't do it, don't expect other to do it on your behalf"
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why do you think that singaporeans are not true to ourselves? we are not like you that's all. Surely there are differing views on what is a good life and don't think only you know what it is. We are also enjoying ourselves here in singapore, if not many of us are even more qualified to migrate to other places, but now those places are holidays destinations to us, singapore remains our home.Originally posted by HENG@:i simply have one sentence to rebute u:
i don't pay ANYTHING for the plumber.
and unfortunately i see we have differing opinions of what its like to live like a Lord. For me, nothing is more kingly than being able to be true to who u are. Life is not just about shallow physical luxuries. Thats why I'm here and not in Sg. If I too wanted shallow luxuries, I'd stay in Sg. And yes thats why I think people in sg aren't quite enlightened yet, altho stupid is not the word. I guess if having a maid more than makes up for the the social discouragement on being true to oneself, i guess i can't say more than "power to u".
Luxurous lifes are more than just differing views, you got to be able to afford it. In places like UK with supplies short luxuries are even less affordable. In singapore we can do without maids and maintain our own little privacy, or can choose to have a maid so that we can have dinner at home then go out for a drink and a movie while the maid does the cleaning up, you don't have that choice. If we have old parents we can choose to employ a maid to help her AT HOME, you can only send them to old folk homes. We have a choice here in luxuries, the choice in itself is a luxury, is the power, so don't talk to me about shallow physical luxuries. There are also many people living in luxuries in UK, are those shallow physical luxuries to you, or just sour grapes?
We choose our lives and you choose yours, if you need to run down singaporeans just to find meaning in your own life, you are pathetic.