Many Singaporeans migrating....How come???
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I know, you don't have to pay yourself.Originally posted by HENG@:i don't pay ANYTHING for the plumber.
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Originally posted by king108:
If you have that worry you should go for the course youself.
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I understand that there may be some regulatory requirement on licensing of worker on the jobs. Hence don't be too happy so early, likely to see so increase in service fee.
I am senting my staff for training once the course is opened. For your information the course is not cheap.[/b] -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:If you have that worry you should go for the course youself. Sorry, mine is even much difficult to get . Need at least 10 years experiences, 2000 words reports and sit interview. After all this still does warrnty getting one. (Each interview can be half year or more waiting time).
This kind of license, I don't need. Only the worker will required, I also got licensed people with me.
I won't be worry, actually I am happier, hopefully those really qualified can be recognised by the market and improve their conditions. I may be senting my brother to attend. If I go,no trainer can teach. (They may be trained by me before) -
Read my post, I said 'I have never heard of anybody who migrated because of NS."Originally posted by HENG@:i also disagree that ppl migrate due to NS.
The real reason people migrate is that they are sick of the way Singapore society operates. Its as simple as that.
To think that people who migrate do so because they 'cannot tahan' 2nd language is absurd. Often those who migrate pick up a lot more languages. Also, many people who migrate usually don't do so simply because they studied there. If one gets a job after studying overseas, one must already have gone overseas for studies with an eye towards a future overseas. If u don't plan on having a future overseas, whats there to stop u from returning home and getting a job back home? The reasons it SEEMS that many people who migrate study overseas 1st, is a simple case of cause and effect. The cause being the want to migrate, and the effect being studying overseas. I'm afraid u might have mixed it up and exchanged the cause for the effect and vice versa.
How many of those who migrated to UK, USA, Australia, NZ and Canada pick up "a lot more languages"? in those countries you don't need a second language! If you have an interest in a second language you go where the languages are spoken. I mentioned this as I have friends who migrated because their children are having hard time coping with chinese language, and that is their choice, there is nothing absurb about it. Why is the "thinking" be absurb? there are just people who are different from you.
Hundreds of singaporeans students go overseas every year to study. They did not go there because they thought they might want to migrate. After that, some liked it there, got the opportunities and choose to stay, some like it there but had no opportunities so came back, and the rest comes back because they preferred here. What is the cause and what is the effect? -
read your post again, I missed out the word "also" and realised you said you "also disagree", so there is no disagreement there. Ignore the first sentence of my last post responding to that. Sorry.Originally posted by HENG@:i also disagree that ppl migrate due to NS.
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Are u? True to yourselves, really? I would like to see how many Singaporeans can answer that in good conscience.Originally posted by sgdiehard:why do you think that singaporeans are not true to ourselves? we are not like you that's all. Surely there are differing views on what is a good life and don't think only you know what it is. We are also enjoying ourselves here in singapore, if not many of us are even more qualified to migrate to other places, but now those places are holidays destinations to us, singapore remains our home.
Luxurous lifes are more than just differing views, you got to be able to afford it. In places like UK with supplies short luxuries are even less affordable. In singapore we can do without maids and maintain our own little privacy, or can choose to have a maid so that we can have dinner at home then go out for a drink and a movie while the maid does the cleaning up, you don't have that choice. If we have old parents we can choose to employ a maid to help her AT HOME, you can only send them to old folk homes. We have a choice here in luxuries, the choice in itself is a luxury, is the power, so don't talk to me about shallow physical luxuries. There are also many people living in luxuries in UK, are those shallow physical luxuries to you, or just sour grapes?
We choose our lives and you choose yours, if you need to run down singaporeans just to find meaning in your own life, you are pathetic.
Once again I say that your idea of enjoyment probably differs from mine. Of course, if we look at the discontent and opinions expressed against the Singapore system instead of for it, I would need to go hit my head against the wall 9999 times to believe u when u say "We are also enjoying ourselves here in singapore,"
Oh no doubt many of u are qualified to migrate. The problem is, have u been sucked so deep into the system that u cannot survive without it? Or how about, what u are willing to sacrifice to achieve an ideal?
Of course I don't have a maid, I'm a student. It'd be rather sad if I needed one wouldn't it? But u know what? Maybe u think its something to be proud of, the ability to employ cheap maids, but I'm glad that I'm in a country where I can pay someone a wage they are deserving of as a FELLOW HUMAN BEING, rather than trample all over the rights of others for as cheap a reason as a choice in luxuries. U want to talk about luxuries? Why don't we compare the price of housing and the price of cars? Why don't u tell me what brand new car u can buy for under S$20,000? How about a luxury apartment u can buy that sits within district 10 for uder S$300,000? Luxuries indeed. When it comes to the real luxuries, the big money ones, Singapore can't even begin to compare. Don't make me laugh. An underpaid a luxury? Sour grapes? Not even close!
I don't need to run down Singaporeans to find meaning in my life. I just like to call it as it is. On the other hand tho, I see u need to boast about having the choice to contribute to unfair employment practices just so u can sound smug and accuse me of sour grapes. Lets just say u speak as though I've never lived in Sg. Been there, done it, don't like it. And the need for u to resort to this? Now that might fit the bill of 'pathetic' better. I sure hope not tho. If u're so happy living in Sg, why try so hard to justify it?
It's better for u to just admit nationalism on yr side. At least u'd look genuinely contended living in sg.
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ok noted yr last postOriginally posted by sgdiehard:Read my post, I said 'I have never heard of anybody who migrated because of NS."
How many of those who migrated to UK, USA, Australia, NZ and Canada pick up "a lot more languages"? in those countries you don't need a second language! If you have an interest in a second language you go where the languages are spoken. I mentioned this as I have friends who migrated because their children are having hard time coping with chinese language, and that is their choice, there is nothing absurb about it. Why is the "thinking" be absurb? there are just people who are different from you.
Hundreds of singaporeans students go overseas every year to study. They did not go there because they thought they might want to migrate. After that, some liked it there, got the opportunities and choose to stay, some like it there but had no opportunities so came back, and the rest comes back because they preferred here. What is the cause and what is the effect?
going on to the next point...
Migrating to UK means u're invariably exposed to a whole host of European languages. Everyone here I know knows French, German or Spanish in addition to English. When everyone knows some other language other than english, u actually find yourself wanting to pick one up too. Additionally, although cantonese is not quite a seperate language in itself, im trying to pick it up so I can understand my hong kong friends so they don't have to speak in english for my benefit. Finally, I'm getting to practice my mandrin a lot more, which I didn't really have a chance in Sg because we speak so much in english n singlish, and im being forced to practice to speak it more in a manner as pure mandrin should be spoken, instead of mandrin with a smattering of singlish. Why? Interaction with the PRCs of course.
In USA, I can point out a similiar reason why people are exposed to other languages.
Canada? French is widely spoken there. I would love to make sure I learn French should I ever end up there.
As for Oz n NZ, just their accent alone is enuf to classify it as another language!!!
I disagree about the reason your friends gave not being absurd. Uprooting oneself should be done with a higher ideal in mind, not something as biase as one's offspring not being able to cope with their native language. Maybe its commendable that they love their children so much, but as a reason its quite absurd. Imagine if the French moves to England because their kids can't deal with French. Its just a shame that they have to forsake Mandrin. Spoken correctly it's as beautiful as French any day.
And while hundreds of students go overseas to study, how do u know them all well enough to say ALL of them go overseas to study only and had no thoughts of migration beforehand? I'm one of the hundreds u refer to, and I came here with the aim of migration in mind. So already I disprove your statement that 'They did not go there because they thought they might want to migrate.' Afterall, I did say that many already have a rough aim of settling elsewhere, hence the decision to go overseas for studies. I didn't say ALL, while u seem to be speaking for that hundreds of us who choose to go overseas. I sure as hell didn't see u starting your sentence with "SOME of them did not go there because...."
so whats the cause and effect? for MANY, as i have stated in my previous post, the cause is the need to migrate, and the effect is studying overseas. -
no, i don't have to pay, either myself, or my allowance. its taken care of by the landlord.Originally posted by sgdiehard:I know, you don't have to pay yourself.
and really, Plumbers aren't as expensive here as u think. Remember, I only said that they CAN earn up to 6000 pounds a week. It depends on how hardworking they are. Emergency jobs in the middle of the night etc pays more. Thats how those who earn that much make their money.
Lets say we take vito's number of S$10,000 pcm.
in a year they make $120,000.
that makes a weekly wage of S$2037.70 (rounded up)
as plumbers don't do 5 day weeks, we can assume a daily wage of S$329.70 (rounded up again)
assuming working hours of 8 to 5 for them, although many of them do 24 hour calls, thats 9 hours a working day. 5 jobs a day is an underestimate. I've seen how hard these guys work. They eat a quick lunch in their vans, something like 20 min. They would easily do 6 or 7 jobs a day, even more if the areas are close together. Lets assume 6 jobs. It comes up to S$54.95(rounded up again) per job. Gee that doesnt seem too bad compared to your S$40 does it? For S$15 per job, I get to live in a place where I would spend approx S$60,000 less on a car of the same model in both countries. I think thats a good bargain really.
of course, im not really using this as a judgement of how good it is to live here. no that would be kinda silly. however, i hope to show u that its silly to think that everything must be much more expensive than in Sg. -
Am I trying hard to justify my happiness living in Sg? I live my life you live yours, what is there to justify? I was just responding to some stupid one sided biased views on Singapore. I have gone through life as a full time student. I am now a husband and a father. I no longer depend on others but people are depending on me now, my children, my parents who have just retired. What I do with my life not only affect me but also several people around me. As a student, you have long long way to go. I certainly don't have to justify my life to you.Originally posted by HENG@:Are u? True to yourselves, really? I would like to see how many Singaporeans can answer that in good conscience.
Once again I say that your idea of enjoyment probably differs from mine. Of course, if we look at the discontent and opinions expressed against the Singapore system instead of for it, I would need to go hit my head against the wall 9999 times to believe u when u say "We are also enjoying ourselves here in singapore,"
Oh no doubt many of u are qualified to migrate. The problem is, have u been sucked so deep into the system that u cannot survive without it? Or how about, what u are willing to sacrifice to achieve an ideal?
Of course I don't have a maid, I'm a student. It'd be rather sad if I needed one wouldn't it? But u know what? Maybe u think its something to be proud of, the ability to employ cheap maids, but I'm glad that I'm in a country where I can pay someone a wage they are deserving of as a FELLOW HUMAN BEING, rather than trample all over the rights of others for as cheap a reason as a choice in luxuries. U want to talk about luxuries? Why don't we compare the price of housing and the price of cars? Why don't u tell me what brand new car u can buy for under S$20,000? How about a luxury apartment u can buy that sits within district 10 for uder S$300,000? Luxuries indeed. When it comes to the real luxuries, the big money ones, Singapore can't even begin to compare. Don't make me laugh. An underpaid a luxury? Sour grapes? Not even close!
I don't need to run down Singaporeans to find meaning in my life. I just like to call it as it is. On the other hand tho, I see u need to boast about having the choice to contribute to unfair employment practices just so u can sound smug and accuse me of sour grapes. Lets just say u speak as though I've never lived in Sg. Been there, done it, don't like it. And the need for u to resort to this? Now that truely defines pathetic. If u're so happy living in Sg, why try so hard to justify it?
There are 4 millions people living in Singapore, our conscience is clear in what we like and what we don't, doesn't matter what you see. Really, why is this of any concern to you? With a head hit against the wall 9999 times, what that head thinks is really questionable to us.
I din't say I was proud of having a maid. I said I was glad I could have that choice. Foreign workers including maids employment in this part of the world provide for the thousand of poor families in some countries. How well you treat your maid at home are different stories. Don't give me that crap about human rights. If you haven't been out on a full time job don't talk to me about unfair employment practice. Just make sure the UK companies don't come here and employ cheap labour in the name of outsourcing.
You want to compare singapore with london or with UK? I may have to pay for expensive cars but my alternative is taxis besides buses and MRT, can you afford to take a cab in london? What kind of apartment can you get for S$300,000 at mayfair, knightbridge or kensington? let me tell you this, for 250,000 lbs you probable can't even get a decent studio apartment! don't talk about something you have hardly any idea!! you certainly don't know anything about everything in the places where you live, your "been there" is not very credible.
In what way are we sucked in our system?? Actually, I will be flattered if the government of singapore don't want me to migrate.
I don't know about america or UK, I can easily migrate to australia and canada as economic migrants. It is my choice that I do not exercise, may be I have too many good friends here, I have relatives with whom I have strong bond here, that's what I call home, and my ideal is to have a happy home.
I don't want to accuse you of anything, enjoy your life there. It would be bad if I start telling you the ugly sides of UK. If you don't believe in anything good in singapore, care to share some good things in UK? I don't remember reading any. -
I also agreed n many Sporean also I met migrated cause of the education system. They claimed the second language policy is not fair. I think as for NS, it mightOriginally posted by HENG@:to be honest, life is more than just about getting a white collar job. Sometimes u look at people doing what they love and even tho they're not getting paid much, don't u just envy them? Because, honestly, they are making more out of their life than we are. Perhaps, a few Singaporeans who migrate realise that very truth, and are more than willing to take up jobs seen as "lowly" or irregular, in exchange to live life as fully as possible.
become another factor for Sporean to immigrate. I like to tell u there is a case of
a serviceman went AWOL to US after finishing BMT. He everyday kena tekan by our superior. -
I agreed maid employed provide a source of money to their countries.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Am I trying hard to justify my happiness living in Sg? I live my life you live yours, what is there to justify? I was just responding to some stupid one sided biased views on Singapore. I have gone through life as a full time student. I am now a husband and a father. I no longer depend on others but people are depending on me now, my children, my parents who have just retired. What I do with my life not only affect me but also several people around me. As a student, you have long long way to go. I certainly don't have to justify my life to you.
There are 4 millions people living in Singapore, our conscience is clear in what we like and what we don't, doesn't matter what you see. Really, why is this of any concern to you? With a head hit against the wall 9999 times, what that head thinks is really questionable to us.
I din't say I was proud of having a maid. I said I was glad I could have that choice. Foreign workers including maids employment in this part of the world provide for the thousand of poor families in some countries. How well you treat your maid at home are different stories. Don't give me that crap about human rights. If you haven't been out on a full time job don't talk to me about unfair employment practice. Just make sure the UK companies don't come here and employ cheap labour in the name of outsourcing.
You want to compare singapore with london or with UK? I may have to pay for expensive cars but my alternative is taxis besides buses and MRT, can you afford to take a cab in london? What kind of apartment can you get for S$300,000 at mayfair, knightbridge or kensington? let me tell you this, for 250,000 lbs you probable can't even get a decent studio apartment! don't talk about something you have hardly any idea!! you certainly don't know anything about everything in the places where you live, your "been there" is not very credible.
In what way are we sucked in our system?? Actually, I will be flattered if the government of singapore don't want me to migrate.
I don't know about america or UK, I can easily migrate to australia and canada as economic migrants. It is my choice that I do not exercise, may be I have too many good friends here, I have relatives with whom I have strong bond here, that's what I call home, and my ideal is to have a happy home.
I don't want to accuse you of anything, enjoy your life there. It would be bad if I start telling you the ugly sides of UK. If you don't believe in anything good in singapore, care to share some good things in UK? I don't remember reading any.
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oh hmm u certainly don't have to justify. So why are u trying to hard to do that? How can my views be stupid and one sided when I've lived there and seen 1st hand how the system destroys individuals and hopes and dreams? Then aren't your views equally stupid and one-sided and biased? Even worse because u don't even live overseas and yet is saying how much it sucks? Sour grapes? Indeed, we know who's having a serious case of sour grapes. If u don't need to justify u wouldn't bother replying. "Responding" to some "stupid" "one sided" "biased" view of Singapore is a rather bland excuse. Like I said its not as if I haven't lived there.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Am I trying hard to justify my happiness living in Sg? I live my life you live yours, what is there to justify? I was just responding to some stupid one sided biased views on Singapore. I have gone through life as a full time student. I am now a husband and a father. I no longer depend on others but people are depending on me now, my children, my parents who have just retired. What I do with my life not only affect me but also several people around me. As a student, you have long long way to go. I certainly don't have to justify my life to you.
And of course there will come a time when other will depend on me. I just have to imagine my children facing the Singapore education system and asking themselves: Why did my parent allow me to stay in a place where u're not encouraged to pursue what u love, your life's calling, and instead, have to be moulded for the greater good of the ruling party. I just need to think about that and the answer is very clear. U want a clear conscience? Try talking to those friends of mine who were forced to do something else other than what they really want to do in school, because they were deemed "not good enough" and then see if u and those 4 million others can come and talk to me about having a clear conscience. OHHHH WAIT!!! singaporeans are apathetic! of course! that would explain the clear conscience. Hey as long as THEY are not the ones suffering, who gives a damn if there are many others who are suffering right? I see.Originally posted by sgdiehard:There are 4 millions people living in Singapore, our conscience is clear in what we like and what we don't, doesn't matter what you see. Really, why is this of any concern to you? With a head hit against the wall 9999 times, what that head thinks is really questionable to us.
I see u didn't quite get the meaning of head bashing. Yes a head hit against the wall 9999 times, what it thinks is questionable. THATS why a head which has been hit against a wall 9999 would be the only head that believes u when u say "We are also enjoying ourselves here in singapore,"
oh not proud? glad to have that choice? hey that choice is available here too. House help is available to anyone who wants to hire one. the only catch is, u have to treat them like human isn't it? Yea that choice is available here too, so whats there to be glad about? Its not exclusive to Singapore. Unless u're of course, talking about being glad that is CHEAPER in sg. Hey if not, good. U're glad the choice exists in sg, im glad the choice exists in UK, everybody has that choice. So whats your point? U speak as tho its illegal to hire househelp in UK lidat.Originally posted by sgdiehard:I din't say I was proud of having a maid. I said I was glad I could have that choice. Foreign workers including maids employment in this part of the world provide for the thousand of poor families in some countries. How well you treat your maid at home are different stories. Don't give me that crap about human rights. If you haven't been out on a full time job don't talk to me about unfair employment practice. Just make sure the UK companies don't come here and employ cheap labour in the name of outsourcing.
And oooo oooo oooo.... getting touchy are we? Why not human rights? My dad does ISO stuff. I know on the inside, just how strictly working safety standards are enforced both in UK and Sg. His company happens to be a UK company with a branch in Sg. Ya? And I'll talk about unfair employment practices as much as I want to. How is it that McDonalds here will pay me over 7 pounds an hour while McDonalds Sg will only pay S$3.50, and thats if they decide to hire me at all? burgers only cost twice as much here so how come im being paid almost 7 times more? should I be paid 3 times more only?
Hey, think about it, sg's living standards are about 2 and a half times lower on average. So if they come to sgand employ "cheap labour" according to your standard of living, how is that being dirty? But if they brought u over to UK to work for them, do they still pay u according to sg living standards or UK standards? I know a guy who's only 18 yrs old and only just started his uni yea? for one year, ONE year, before he started uni, he went to work for a civil eng firm, just one year. He's chinese. U know how much they paid him? 18,000 pounds a year. For a non-uni grad. THATS how workers are treated in UK. U want to blame someone when they come to sg to outsource? Blame yr own govt for making all of u cheap labour. -
gee I guess u haven't been following the property markets in UK too closely lately then...Originally posted by sgdiehard:You want to compare singapore with london or with UK? I may have to pay for expensive cars but my alternative is taxis besides buses and MRT, can you afford to take a cab in london? What kind of apartment can you get for S$300,000 at mayfair, knightbridge or kensington? let me tell you this, for 250,000 lbs you probable can't even get a decent studio apartment! don't talk about something you have hardly any idea!! you certainly don't know anything about everything in the places where you live, your "been there" is not very credible.
1stly, sorry but staying in South Kensington, Knightsbridge or Mayfair is a pain in the ass. Little or no transportation, old troublesome victorian era buildings, what a nightmare! U don't even know that the new heart is the EC1 area. Holborn, Farringdon, Angel Islington etc. And yes, u can get nice modern apartments for as little as 96,000 pounds. I've seen them when I was out hunting for a place to rent last autumn. I certainly don't know who is the one who doesn't have any idea and who is sounding less and less credible, but I would guess its you... opps indeed.
As for my alternative? Gee surprisingly Taxis are very much an alternative too! and minicabs. They're for the times when I'm late or lazy. Otherwise, I can take the tube just about ANYWHERE I want to go to in central London. Can't say the same for Sg unfortunately, which is why the cab is such a must in sg. Of course, its sad when u fall from trying to compare "luxuries" to having to compare cab fares... With the money I save on a car, I can take the cab 10 times over here than u can in Sg
whooo seriously if not knowing current up to date property prices, property smarts and tips, and comparing cab fares to cheap cars is your idea of credibility, im quite honestly happy to let u win on credibility alone.
its simple. The whole education system in singapore is a mental conditioning process. it conditions u to think u won't make it if u leave the singapore system. it conditions u to think that singapore's system is the best, and that there is nothing better out there in the world. it conditions u to think that patriotism equals supporting the PAP. No doubt u will be flattered if they don't want u to migrate, but the truth is, they don't give a damn. Because they know most of u can't migrate. Doesn't have to be for monetary reasons. Sentimental reasons, social reasons, anything. Thats why I say so many people have been sucked in deep. Just to consider leaving Singapore is a very scary thought.Originally posted by sgdiehard:In what way are we sucked in our system?? Actually, I will be flattered if the government of singapore don't want me to migrate.
I don't know about america or UK, I can easily migrate to australia and canada as economic migrants. It is my choice that I do not exercise, may be I have too many good friends here, I have relatives with whom I have strong bond here, that's what I call home, and my ideal is to have a happy home.
I don't want to accuse you of anything, enjoy your life there. It would be bad if I start telling you the ugly sides of UK. If you don't believe in anything good in singapore, care to share some good things in UK? I don't remember reading any.
Anyways, yes u have your reasons. But to refuse to recognise that Singapore has too many undemocratic angles, too many instances of refusing to treat humans as humans and treating humans like cogs in a machine, is to allow something that is bad to continue to propagate. This thread afterall, is about reasons for migration. So it would be within the topic to talk about Singapore, and why people want to migrate. If someone started a thread on why people choose to migrate to UK, I'll talk about what I find good and what I find bad here, as well as what I feel is a fair trade-off in exchange for freedom and acceptance.
The problem is, like u, my ideal is to have a happy home as well. IF i ever choose to have kids, I don't want them to suffer the same system I did, which never did anything to encourage me to pursue my ambitions, a system which laughed in my face for daring to dream and be different, a system which told me im not living in reality if I decide that I want to exercise my rights as an individual and not mindlessly serve as just another manufacturered human clone cog in the system machine. I want them to learn that great things are possible within each and every human being, and that there are no boundries to what they can achieve. I can't do that with a system that, at every turn, punishes them for daring to be themselves and be different. I don't think I can forgive myself if, IF i ever had kids and subjected them to that. And perhaps, the reason I come down so hard on sg is so that maybe, maybe someday, it can become a place where I can raise my children content in the knowledge that they won't face discrimination and discouragement for being different. Maybe I won't have to permanently become another victim of the system designed to serve a few ruling families in Sg. -
yes but if u're bringing them here, don't u think u should pay them a wage based more on your standard of living? sure, u provide them with food n lodging, and for sure, they send most of the money home, but just think, if u paid them more, u could help them return home to their families quicker, help to end the cycle of poverty for them quicker as well. whats wrong with paying them a decent wage based on your standard of living, if they're working here? There shouldn't be a special set of employment standards for foreign workers from 3rd world countries. not just maids, but construction workers and others too.Originally posted by will4:I agreed maid employed provide a source of money to their countries. -
Do you think that most families that can provide maids are slightly well off. Personally, I think so.Originally posted by will4:I agreed maid employed provide a source of money to their countries.
Unless, it is due to both couples needed to works and employed maid to take care of kids or handicapped parents at home. Else, normally one of them will be home to do all the houseworks.
I got a friend engaged a maid, ended his kid called the mother - mam (madam). Resulted in his wife have to quit her job and take care of the kid personally.
The other couples was with a aged mother, both couples needed to work to employ the maid. (No high salaries earner). Everyday have to work till 8 - 10 pm just to ensure to have a peace of mind. (Don't gambles, don't drinks, no luxuries, HDB flats only).
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I agreed on the part Sporean migrated due to second language policy but if it came to NS, u ask which part of NS is frightening? Have u read the news of the dunking incident?Originally posted by sgdiehard:most migrate because of the education for their children, cannot tahan second language. Then there are those who are looking for a less stressful life, these usually studied overseas, found jobs there, married locals there.....and their parents were able to take care of themselves if they don't want to migrate with them. I have so far not heard of any people immigrate because of NS. What so frightening about NS? What would you do if you son want to sign on as a commando, or a fighter pilot?? quickly migrate? -
I like to tellu of an article written in a forum by a Sporean staying in Korea. U feel very amused. If not remember wrongly, he said he prefer staying in Spore cause in Korea, the local after office would go to the hawker centre n drink until late at night.Originally posted by HENG@:Are u? True to yourselves, really? I would like to see how many Singaporeans can answer that in good conscience.
Once again I say that your idea of enjoyment probably differs from mine. Of course, if we look at the discontent and opinions expressed against the Singapore system instead of for it, I would need to go hit my head against the wall 9999 times to believe u when u say "We are also enjoying ourselves here in singapore,"
Oh no doubt many of u are qualified to migrate. The problem is, have u been sucked so deep into the system that u cannot survive without it? Or how about, what u are willing to sacrifice to achieve an ideal?
Of course I don't have a maid, I'm a student. It'd be rather sad if I needed one wouldn't it? But u know what? Maybe u think its something to be proud of, the ability to employ cheap maids, but I'm glad that I'm in a country where I can pay someone a wage they are deserving of as a FELLOW HUMAN BEING, rather than trample all over the rights of others for as cheap a reason as a choice in luxuries. U want to talk about luxuries? Why don't we compare the price of housing and the price of cars? Why don't u tell me what brand new car u can buy for under S$20,000? How about a luxury apartment u can buy that sits within district 10 for uder S$300,000? Luxuries indeed. When it comes to the real luxuries, the big money ones, Singapore can't even begin to compare. Don't make me laugh. An underpaid a luxury? Sour grapes? Not even close!
I don't need to run down Singaporeans to find meaning in my life. I just like to call it as it is. On the other hand tho, I see u need to boast about having the choice to contribute to unfair employment practices just so u can sound smug and accuse me of sour grapes. Lets just say u speak as though I've never lived in Sg. Been there, done it, don't like it. And the need for u to resort to this? Now that might fit the bill of 'pathetic' better. I sure hope not tho. If u're so happy living in Sg, why try so hard to justify it?
It's better for u to just admit nationalism on yr side. At least u'd look genuinely contended living in sg.
I like to ask u whether the Korean men forced him to drink alcohol? I wonder if he noticed the local in Spore also drink beer until late at night at coffee shop? -
Originally posted by will4:I like to tellu of an article written in a forum by a Sporean staying in Korea. U feel very amused. If not remember wrongly, he said he prefer staying in Spore cause in Korea, the local after office would go to the hawker centre n drink until late at night.
I like to ask u whether the Korean men forced him to drink alcohol? I wonder if he noticed the local in Spore also drink beer until late at night at coffee shop?
everywhere also got people go out drink till late at nite then go home one la. -
I cannot understand what this local trying to prove when he said this remark about Korea? ST should not published his letter.Originally posted by HENG@:
everywhere also got people go out drink till late at nite then go home one la. -
ST trying to prove how idiot some singaporeans can beOriginally posted by will4:I cannot understand what this local trying to prove when he said this remark about Korea? ST should not published his letter. -
I think u should read another article by SGDIEDHARD"Will u support unification between Spore n Malaysia?" I wonder what is ur reaction?Originally posted by HENG@:
everywhere also got people go out drink till late at nite then go home one la. -
article where?Originally posted by will4:I think u should read another article by SGDIEDHARD"Will u support unification between Spore n Malaysia?" I wonder what is ur reaction? -
Sorry to intercept again. Fellow willOriginally posted by will4:I cannot understand what this local trying to prove when he said this remark about Korea? ST should not published his letter.
Korea or Korean's society like Japan's is still very much "BIG MAN" society. If you are a local there, may be acted like one too. Their cultures and our cultures do have difference. Although outside may look similar. (Still can tell).
Drinking to the man at work oversea is very common, because if they go back home too early, their wife will think that they are no important in the company if you had read some japanese news.
How's often does a normal singaporean "bottom up", I don't encourage. Can tell is no much.
I would believe that the writer may not be able to mix with the society there. (Home Sick), Language barrier, (Korean seldom speak english except in big cities - maybe can find few)
Next things is that, may get rough after drunk..or keep offering. Next kind of things. Maybe the writer is health consious.
If you have the chances to go oversea on business trip, find out who you will be dining with. Next don't be hero, drink milk or tea. Once started the first glass, it will be unstoppable if the host is too "hot"
Turn a deaf ear even people call you name. Just need to be polite and tell them 102 reason. -
I agreed there is a possibility the writer is not able to adapt to Korea's culture.Originally posted by king108:Sorry to intercept again. Fellow will
Korea or Korean's society like Japan's is still very much "BIG MAN" society. If you are a local there, may be acted like one too. Their cultures and our cultures do have difference. Although outside may look similar. (Still can tell).
Drinking to the man at work oversea is very common, because if they go back home too early, their wife will think that they are no important in the company if you had read some japanese news.
How's often does a normal singaporean "bottom up", I don't encourage. Can tell is no much.
I would believe that the writer may not be able to mix with the society there. (Home Sick), Language barrier, (Korean seldom speak english except in big cities - maybe can find few)
Next things is that, may get rough after drunk..or keep offering. Next kind of things. Maybe the writer is health consious.
If you have the chances to go oversea on business trip, find out who you will be dining with. Next don't be hero, drink milk or tea. Once started the first glass, it will be unstoppable if the host is too "hot"
Turn a deaf ear even people call you name. Just need to be polite and tell them 102 reason. -
I remembered there is another similar case in the newspaper. There is a Sporean lady migrated to Australia n met with a racist. She went to comment sometimes she cannot understand there is some local already migrated to Australia n had the audacity to complain the local in Australia not hardworking, in Spore in almost every company, the local need to work until late at night sometimes as late as ten.Originally posted by HENG@:ST trying to prove how idiot some singaporeans can be
In Australia, as soon as five, they knocked off already. Isn it Sporean migrated to Australia cause of the laid back lifestyle?