General Elections 2006 -- RESULTS
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And don't forget to compile a list of insults PAP hurl towards the opp. Got defamation suit can use.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:I say lets compile a whole list of promises made by the pap this 7 days and make the list sticky till the next election.
If you are compiling, remember to include in the sources and the journalist names.
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register just to post this?Originally posted by adrwee:Talk about a bunch of whiners and sore losers; the silent majority has spoken and the PAP has been swept to victory. I can't believe how this forum has been inundated with so much bitterness and bile against our government of 40 over years. I'm a post 65-er myself and has travelled extensively in Asia, Europe and States to realise what a gem our small island is in terms of standard of living, amenities, security and comfort. Most of the complaints brought up by the forum writers are petty and insignificant in the larger context of our country's survival on the world global stage and a possibly impending flu pandemic and terrorist attack. Do u honestly think that any of those novice wet-behind-the ear opposition candidates have one iota of ability to even conceive of the major problems we have facing us as a nation on the world stage on a daily basis? Sure, give them a chance to perform but what is at stake? Your home, your security, your job and all u have including the computer u are reading this message on. And there u are, all these forum participants, safe and secure in your ivory tower, incidentally built for your comfort by our 40yr old government, pontificating and condemming all u survey with so much hatred and bitterness as if the government has raped and pillaged your home and hearth. Wake up and smell the coffee! No country can be first world without BOTH first world citizens and government. So stop griping like spoilt brats who had everything too easy in life and voice some constructive comments which would be even vaguely constructive instead of indulging in your own little cesspool of cynicism, paranoia and bitterness.
Ok.
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Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:82-man GRC, the rest don't need to vote.
but then, didn't FM Yeo suggested that u can find a 82-men combination of pros and rookies, and drop the rookies along the way? -
Swept to victory?
another PAP supporter deluding himself.
As I Said again, 66% is NOT swept to victory.
Hell, if you get rid of the SDP clowns, it is not even 66%, could even be 60% PAP votes only.
Not forgetting many people are afraid of the PAP, and vote coz they think the vote can be traced.
Not forgetting many older folks who vote for the PAP, coz they have children or grandchildren working in the govt jobs and are afraid their votes might affect their futures.
The PAP rules by fear, not by respect. You can go ahead and delude yourself by saying they are swept to victory.
I am no frog in the well as well. You have travelled extensively. I have been to UK, France, Spain, Belgium, USA, Korea, Japan, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, China myself. I don't think anyone disagrees with you that our small island has a generally good standard of living. But could it have been better? There were many mistakes made at the higher level that could have been done in better ways, and could have benefitted Singapore greatly. Mistakes made, and they are honest mistakes, those people get to keep their high paying jobs. What sort of improvement will we see if these same people aren't asked to be responsible for mistakes made?
The fact is, the flames of opposition has been fanned this round. The seeds of change has been sown. Watch for the next election. I promised you that in the post-65 population, YOU are a minority.Originally posted by adrwee:Talk about a bunch of whiners and sore losers; the silent majority has spoken and the PAP has been swept to victory. I can't believe how this forum has been inundated with so much bitterness and bile against our government of 40 over years. I'm a post 65-er myself and has travelled extensively in Asia, Europe and States to realise what a gem our small island is in terms of standard of living, amenities, security and comfort. Most of the complaints brought up by the forum writers are petty and insignificant in the larger context of our country's survival on the world global stage and a possibly impending flu pandemic and terrorist attack. Do u honestly think that any of those novice wet-behind-the ear opposition candidates have one iota of ability to even conceive of the major problems we have facing us as a nation on the world stage on a daily basis? Sure, give them a chance to perform but what is at stake? Your home, your security, your job and all u have including the computer u are reading this message on. And there u are, all these forum participants, safe and secure in your ivory tower, incidentally built for your comfort by our 40yr old government, pontificating and condemming all u survey with so much hatred and bitterness as if the government has raped and pillaged your home and hearth. Wake up and smell the coffee! No country can be first world without BOTH first world citizens and government. So stop griping like spoilt brats who had everything too easy in life and voice some constructive comments which would be even vaguely constructive instead of indulging in your own little cesspool of cynicism, paranoia and bitterness. -
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
but then, didn't FM Yeo suggested that u can find a 82-men combination of pros and rookies, and drop the rookies along the way?
Drop them, find who to replace to form 82-man GRC? -
haaaaaaaaarlooooooooooow
new member here... just wanted to voice my views 
If one day, we singaporean voted in enough opposition MPs, to the extent that we get to prevent fee hikes, more welfare packages, more upgradings, no COEs, lower taxes, less meritocratic, etc. etc. Our government would have less capital to invest in national-level infrastructure to attract foreign investors, less reserves to battle unforeseen "calamities" like SARS or bird flu, or economic downturn... in the long run, our people would work less hard since life is easier, and singapore loses out to neighbouring countries in terms of our ability to produce better products... do we want this to happen?
Of course we want some opposing voices in parliament, but we need to make sure they are capable people, not there to contribute to numbers...
So as a fellow singaporean, I have two choices. If I vote for PAP, I take the risk that I'll not get opposition in. But if I vote for the opposition, what if too many of them get in and the above scenario takes place? Big question is I don't know how many other people are voting for PAP or opposition... so the safer path might be to vote for PAP.
Ok, now I'm ready for flames
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Nay, I won't flame you, coz this is your honest opinions. But what makes you think that increasing certain welfare equals we cannot compete.
I agree that a fully welfare country will cause the country to go into debt
but a country should not be only caring about money, economy, foreign investment, etc.
I always believe in letting someone try. If they try and succeed, then you have someone to check the PAP. If he is lousy, take him out in the next round.
Remember, absolute power corrupts absolutely. You want to give PAP absolute power?Originally posted by capriswine:haaaaaaaaarlooooooooooow new member here... just wanted to voice my views
If one day, we singaporean voted in enough opposition MPs, to the extent that we get to prevent fee hikes, more welfare packages, more upgradings, no COEs, lower taxes, less meritocratic, etc. etc. Our government would have less capital to invest in national-level infrastructure to attract foreign investors, less reserves to battle unforeseen "calamities" like SARS or bird flu, or economic downturn... in the long run, our people would work less hard since life is easier, and singapore loses out to neighbouring countries in terms of our ability to produce better products... do we want this to happen?
Of course we want some opposing voices in parliament, but we need to make sure they are capable people, not there to contribute to numbers...
So as a fellow singaporean, I have two choices. If I vote for PAP, I take the risk that I'll not get opposition in. But if I vote for the opposition, what if too many of them get in and the above scenario takes place? Big question is I don't know how many other people are voting for PAP or opposition... so the safer path might be to vote for PAP.
Ok, now I'm ready for flames -
Poor sharks. There will be more sharks fin porridge for the next five years.
Maybe should switch to birds' nest porridge. But then again bird flu virus are waiting to attack. -
an intelligent opinion. I support u.Originally posted by soul_rage:interesting night.
Was rather satisfied with the results, except for silly SDP. I think they should disband the SDP. If not for SDP, PAP wouldn't even get an avg of 66%. Everywhere I see the % of votes for PAP dropping substantially. Most were below 70%.
Kudos to Chiam See Tong, the one who has done so much for the people, who endured the attack on him for so many years when he was the only opposition in the parliament. If he had lost, I would be really disappointed by Singaporeans.
SM Goh has to go. He has done his part, but he should go. Since that was his statement to Chiam See Tong that Chiam should go, but the people proved him wrong, then be a good loser and retire from politics on his own accord. Don't be thick-skinned.
I laughed at LHL's statement that he has a strong mandate in AMK. When I saw he was about 60+%, I laughed non-stop. That silly minister Lim Boon Heng furthered embarassed him by saying before the result that he believes LHL will get > 80% votes. I think in LHL's heart, he was VERY angry, but he could not say anything negative 6 youngsters could actually wallop him to 60+%, he should dig a hole and bury his head in 
Finally, don't worry about the silly people whom vote PAP coz they think votes are tracable. Every 5 years, more and more youngsters join the battle arena, and youngsters don't take this sort of crap. PAP party is for the elites, but the majority of us are average people. Elites can never understand the average people, no matter how hard they try to.
And to all of you PAP supporters out there, I will end my post with just a final say on MM Lee. He may be the founding father of Singapore, but he can NEVER be the founding father WITHOUT the older generation folks whom bled and sweated for him. Now go around and look. Are these folks enjoying the retirement life that they deserve to have? Shouldn't they be rewarded for building up Singapore from scratch?
NO, I See many of them cleaning toilets, becoming security guards, cleaning hawker centres, etc. Whole life labouring for Singapore, when they should have retired and enjoy the life they DESERVE. So is Singapore a good country to be in? I leave it to you to think thru.
And finally, I see MM Lee ENJOYING the fruits of everyone's labour, having a superb pay of 1+ million per year, living in super big house when we all live in boxes. Don't tell me he deserves respect. He has taken back from us many times over. He can NEVER be compared to the likes of Mother Theresa, people whom REALLY sacrificed for others.
But he SHOULD continue to enjoy life. Enjoy more in fact, so that more and more of us gets more disgruntled with his attitude, and arrogance. More and more of us will vote for the opposition. In fact, he is a great magnet for opposition votes
I end my post on GE. Life goes on. You PAP supporters chose higher transport costs, higher costs of living. Let's see what happens when they review the DELAYED transport cost 3 months later. Let's see how they start to take back the Progress Package. -
plesae give me some examples. My collegues and I also travel around the world....Originally posted by adrwee:I'm a post 65-er myself and has travelled extensively in Asia, Europe and States to realise what a gem our small island is in terms of standard of living, amenities, security and comfort.
i would like u to tell me some of your experience because I could not agree with you.....
of coz, i respect you as the sole-exception after travelling the world.. as my collegues and myself (around 10-15 of us) don't share the same opinions... -
no need.... FM Yeo sez.... drop gomez also can contest in aljunied...Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:
Drop them, find who to replace to form 82-man GRC? -
So you think elections over??? More wayang coming.
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This year has spoken for itself. I think the decision has made itself - I am staying in Australia for a long long time.
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Hey, I am also newbie here.Originally posted by capriswine:haaaaaaaaarlooooooooooow new member here... just wanted to voice my views
If one day, we singaporean voted in enough opposition MPs, to the extent that we get to prevent fee hikes, more welfare packages, more upgradings, no COEs, lower taxes, less meritocratic, etc. etc. Our government would have less capital to invest in national-level infrastructure to attract foreign investors, less reserves to battle unforeseen "calamities" like SARS or bird flu, or economic downturn... in the long run, our people would work less hard since life is easier, and singapore loses out to neighbouring countries in terms of our ability to produce better products... do we want this to happen?
Of course we want some opposing voices in parliament, but we need to make sure they are capable people, not there to contribute to numbers...
So as a fellow singaporean, I have two choices. If I vote for PAP, I take the risk that I'll not get opposition in. But if I vote for the opposition, what if too many of them get in and the above scenario takes place? Big question is I don't know how many other people are voting for PAP or opposition... so the safer path might be to vote for PAP.
Ok, now I'm ready for flames
I tend to think differently. I feel that, currently looking at the political situation, Singapore will benefit more if we have more opposition.
If we have more opposition,
1) The government will have to work harder knowing they have competition.
2) They will have to think very hard before they increase things such as taxes, fares, etc
3) They will have to account and justify to the people how they intend to use OUR money.
4) the increase of opposition will allow our people to air more views and have more say, instead of being afraid.
I do not think for a moment people will work less hard if we have more opposition. I dont think Singapore will go worse too....
The opposition will contribute to Singaopre by questioning, debating and challenge issues things which they feel is not good for Singapore. LTK and CST are very good examples that they have contributed to Sinagpore.
Also, I am not happy on the way PAP has handled the election, the upgrading carrot, Gomez affair, ..... -
Hmm... you missed my point... I don't think we should give PAP absolute power, but neither do I want too many opposition to get in to parliamentOriginally posted by soul_rage:Nay, I won't flame you, coz this is your honest opinions. But what makes you think that increasing certain welfare equals we cannot compete.
I agree that a fully welfare country will cause the country to go into debt
but a country should not be only caring about money, economy, foreign investment, etc.
I always believe in letting someone try. If they try and succeed, then you have someone to check the PAP. If he is lousy, take him out in the next round.
Remember, absolute power corrupts absolutely. You want to give PAP absolute power?
My point was, there is this dilemma faced by voters... which to vote, given that there's risk either way (i.e. potential of corruption if only PAP, or potential of losing competitive edge if too many opposing voices were introduced for the sake of "opposing")... and this dilemma might be the reason why a good number of them still vote for PAP lor... and to make things worse, nobody really know how many would vote for either side before polling results are out... -
HUm jiOriginally posted by fymk:This year has spoken for itself. I think the decision has made itself - I am staying in Australia for a long long time. good riddish rubbish -
In 1984 people said Chiam See Tong only temporary as his names suggested.
But he tong for 26 years. Now the poor fellow must tong another 5 years. Must really give him a diamond studded rolex for long service. But better don't because that is kelong. -
WP have made the right move sending a bunch of young new candidates to comtest the PM's AMK GRC.
think about it, even if WP lose, no one will blame them as they are young and it's the PM's GRC afterall. on one expect them to win. they got nothing to lose.
on the other hand, the pressure is on Lee Hsien Long. he needs to win it cos if he lose to a bunch of newbies, he will have no face. so he die die needs to win it by a huge margin.
to add oil to fire, Lim Boon Heng says PM will win by 80% of the votes. more pressure.
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I just want to say
CHANNEL 8 has no fucking respect for Opposition
PAP winning speech can give so long. Then when it is Mr Low TK turn, He say Thank You and the screen change. WTF. 2 S?
And those bloody reporters crowd around Mr Chiam trying to get an interview. Push the sound recorder and camara to his face. Hello Dun U see the Old man is looking very uncomfortable already. I really fear he will faint or something like that. He already 71 liao u noe all noe
Nowdays ppl jus dun have respect. -
firstly, rpm, welcome to this forum. Secondly, just wanna point out my views regarding some of the things u write here.Originally posted by rpm:Hey, I am also newbie here.
I tend to think differently. I feel that, currently looking at the political situation, Singapore will benefit more if we have more opposition.
If we have more opposition,
1) The government will have to work harder knowing they have competition.
2) They will have to think very hard before they increase things such as taxes, fares, etc
3) They will have to account and justify to the people how they intend to use OUR money.
4) the increase of opposition will allow our people to air more views and have more say, instead of being afraid.
I do not think for a moment people will work less hard if we have more opposition. I dont think Singapore will go worse too....
The opposition will contribute to Singaopre by questioning, debating and challenge issues things which they feel is not good for Singapore. LTK and CST are very good examples that they have contributed to Sinagpore.
Also, I am not happy on the way PAP has handled the election, the upgrading carrot, Gomez affair, .....
I think the opposition here will relish the chance, if they are voted into Parliament by a sizable number. They will purposely ask questions that are irrevelant, and doesn't really concern about the people at all. Sure, LTK, and CST are working hard for their parties, and their respective wards. But that's because they are in the minority. There's only two of them, what can they do? Give them 10-20 seats, and i can assure u, our opposition parties will have a field day trying to oppose just for the sake of oppose, and then claim that they are asking these questions on behalf of the pple.
As for the upgrading carrot, nothing is fair in this world. In a country, there will always be rich and poor, handsome and ugly, tall and short, fat and slim. There will always be a divide. Hougang and Potong Pasir obviously thinks that they have enough facilities in their wards, that they do not need upgrading to bite the upgrading carrot. Its their own choice. Why should the PAP pay for 2 wards that refuses to accept their mandate, and proceed on with upgrading? The PAP have the money and machinery to make upgrading part of their campaign, what's wrong with it? We(those who vote for the PAP) will benefit from it, even if it comes out of our own money. Hougang and Potong Pasir majority decides that they want to stay that way, just too bad.
As for the Gomez affair, PAP is wrong in making it their top topic for almost the entire rallies period, save for the last 2 days. But they have a point. If Gomez make a such boohah out of a form, then how can he run a Constituency? Its an integrity issue. Its like u make a mistake, yet u turn around and point the finger at someone else. U just keep on saying sorry, but u cannot give a proper explaination as to why u did it. Do u expect people to forgive u that easily? -
On carrots, I think there must be "something to gain or lose" at the constituency level, or else it makes no sense to vote by constituencies. And I do think there is reason to have constituencies... so that MPs can reach out more readily to the people, and be more focused in doing so.
But should lift upgrading be the carrot? I somehow feel that there are carrots that should be given out impartially (in which case they no longer remain carrots... but that's separate issue), especially those given out by stat boards and government ministries directly, such as lift upgrading.
Within a constituency, the voted in political party may then compete on fair grounds against other constituencies and political parties... using the resources they can gather (perhaps by adjusting conservancy fees, fund raising activities, etc.) and provide upgrades / improvements to the areas specific to within that constituency (including lift upgrading if they want, but that decision should not be due to "HDB did not approve our application, because we are SDA not PAP", but perhaps because they simply want to do more for the people). -
As you can see Lift and flat upgradings are the gambits parties have been using along and/ or against their rival parties' agenda. But i believe this is not the winning factor since it is not entirely free and no one can predict the additional maintenance costs ever to be involved after the work is done.Originally posted by Poolman:me too .... here at CCK , even with the challenge from Steve Chia , it's also pretty quiet . My side here happens to be under HongKah GRC . And after almost 3 years since moving in , i hardly see my MP , and hardly see any PAP reps here .
that's why i said GRC is depriving the Singaporeans to really have a chance to voice their unhappiness .
In my point of view the better part of CCK is young and new with many newer flats. Of course denying older flats in the area any chances of upgrading is not fair but upgrading should be part of a nation's development and improvement programme that MBT have to look into.
Hougang and Pontong Pasir may be under opposition parties but are part of the Island of SG...i dun see why funds cannot be utilised by the Government (not rulin party) and responsible department/s to upgrade and improve the housing conditions there?
As for Stevie Chia i hope he can stay on in the Parliamanet as a non-constituency MP...he is doing fine in my oppinion and has that positive drive in him (well, although there were some 'negative' reports about him recently and years back). He is in fact better than WP's Gomez.
As for Gomez during the nomination day just go by the Election departments' comments and fill in a fresh copy of the minority race application form coz the aim is to contest a GRC and not make a mountain out of a 'cesspool'. I am with PAP on that and i hope JG be closely monitored both by the rulin party and WP herself. The other WP members are okay just that with JG as their fellow wing member they have to speak up for him. The same goes for SDP. Their party could have fared better without the GY family riding head. -
Low TK's age is consideer a "junior" in political scenes....he will ride Hougang as HQ. Sylvia should be responsible for expansion and the same GRC contest on 2011 if she stays.Originally posted by Poolman:Good and eventful election i have to say .
Singaporean getting clever , what the PAP had promised , we will remember , whether or not did we vote , or walkover .
And the opposition will remember too ..... and they are going to use the PAP promises as a weapon for 2011 election .
After election , PM Lee and co , will have a harder time to " fix " the two oppositions ...... cos this time , they are not only dealing with Oppositions , they are going to deal with the " New Singaporeans " .
And i'm not too sure the newer generations did vote for PAP during this elections .
Credits to WP and SDA , if they can go on getting good calibre candidates like Sylvia Lim , PAP in deep trouble in the next elections .
Look out for Worker's Party , they are going to be the next big thing .
Trust me , this Sylvia Lim will be Hougang's next candidate if LTK retires . -
looks like the media are well in the PAP hands...given that they are given funds for operating...
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Just now met SM Goh and his team of Marine Parade GRC MP-elects near my home at blk 519 Bedok North..............
A lot of pple gathered around there.......
Pictures would be up soon...........please stay tuned.........
(btw he did comment on this particular GE.....)