Is Australia a Racist Country?
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Gazelle, we get your point about racism in Australia. I am not saying it does not exist. Like you I am saddened by these events and hope that things can turn out differently. I hope we stop all the name calling and discuss this in a proper manner.
We all have the right to voice out our opinions in response to some of your posts, just like you have to right to post things that you deemed supportive of your arguments. -
Exactly my pointOriginally posted by Gazelle:fymk, for you to quote Optus as an asian company it is really pathatic you know. wasnt it a white company untill it was sold to Singtel?
. Didn't you even comprehend what I was saying? I was pointing out that you were WAY WRONG about Australia being racist . Don't try to cover up your ignorance by calling me pathetic.
I am no white supremacist since I am asian. I am happy for asian and white companies to do well in Australia because it is advantageous for everyone in Australia.
Bing Lee is actually quite a big business in Australia . It did very well despite being Asian. Shark Fin house is owned by Asians and it is also a million dollar business. RAMS homeloans is actually owned by an australian of lebanese descent and it is a multimillion dollar business. Crazy John ( a telephone dealership franchise) is owned by an australian of nonwhite descent and it is also a multimillion dollar business. So what does that tell you? Australia is not that racist as you say it is .
So what if alot of us are not as rich as James Packer . As long as we are happy where we are and satisfied with the money earnt , it's all good. My question to you is that of why are you trying to list out all the rich ang mohs for comparison? Even to get to the multimillionaire status is difficult. OH WAIT ....Don't tell me you did so well in Singapore that you are as rich as James Packer in Singapore . -
Originally posted by fymk:
James parker? you mean the one that lost out to Genting in the Sentosa IR bid?
Exactly my point . Didn't you even comprehend what I was saying? I was pointing out that [b] you were WAY WRONG about Australia being racist . Don't try to cover up your ignorance by calling me pathetic.
I am no white supremacist since I am asian. I am happy for asian and white companies to do well in Australia because it is advantageous for everyone in Australia.
Bing Lee is actually quite a big business in Australia . It did very well despite being Asian. Shark Fin house is owned by Asians and it is also a million dollar business. RAMS homeloans is actually owned by an australian of lebanese descent and it is a multimillion dollar business. Crazy John ( a telephone dealership franchise) is owned by an australian of nonwhite descent and it is also a multimillion dollar business. So what does that tell you? Australia is not that racist as you say it is .
So what if alot of us are not as rich as James Packer . As long as we are happy where we are and satisfied with the money earnt , it's all good. My question to you is that of why are you trying to list out all the rich ang mohs for comparison? Even to get to the multimillionaire status is difficult. OH WAIT ....Don't tell me you did so well in Singapore that you are as rich as James Packer in Singapore . [/b]
If I want to be rich, I would rather be as rich as lim goh tong li ka shing or robert kouk, rather and james white phuck.er because I aint no white coc.k sucker like you. -
tsk tsk personal attack on me again . Does that make you any better with throwing racist remarks at me using a degradatory remarks on another race ?Originally posted by Gazelle:James parker? you mean the one that lost out to Genting in the Sentosa IR bid? If I want to be rich, I would rather be as rich as lim goh tong li ka shing or robert kouk, rather and james white phuck.er because I aint no white coc.k sucker like you.
But what makes you think you can even be as rich as Bing Lee in Australia when you SEEM to behaving like a migratory reject ? -
In Australia, justice is done to help those minority victims compared to Indonesia. During the May 1998 riots, many Chinese properties kenaOriginally posted by Gazelle:and you are comparing australia to a third world country. So whats the diff?
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At least in Australia if not wrong, those white Australian rioters got sent to court compared to the rioters in the 1998 Indonesian May riot. AustralianOriginally posted by fymk:Yup . Cronulla started off that way by lebanese gangs of youngsters. After the Cronulla incident , you have the Marouba incident where a group of youths with middle eastern appearance started damaging people's property ( cars and houses). Their so called excuse was to get back at the caucasians for Cronulla.
Besides lebanese , you have the minorities :
Let me tell you what an australian rapist of pakistani said in court (somewhat to the effect) : they ( the girls) were dressed indecently. In my culture , it means that I can have them.
No surprise it angered alot of people with that statement even their own muslims. An australian- nigerian muslim who said the same thing to my colleague. She was dressed in a single top and a long dress.
All these people are a shame to their race and a shame to their religion when they hide behind religion/race as a reason fror their behaviour.
Frankly I think the whites have been too apologetic in their behaviour. I support a move like France to ban all religious symbols (islamic/judaic/christian etc) in school and the Netherlands to ban the burqa.
If they don't like to integrate in Australia, there is always the middle east/africa/Pakistan to return to.
racism is nothing compared to Indonesia.
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Anyway Australian whites are still immigrants and once upon a time these whites were convicts brought to australia from britain to do some work. And yet, these shameless whites still demonstrate against racism. Though, its unfair, not all whites are that bad. There are still some who socialise with others and friendly. We are all humans regardless of race and religion. Love is one language. Peace
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Adding on: Bentley-Carlisle, Willagee-White Gum Valley and Hilton-Coolbellup in Perth.Originally posted by fymk:Are you saying that if there is a place with high crime rate at night , you will actually walk into it? That does not make cow sense when you are talking about personal safety.
I have not been to Adelaide so I don't know much to comment on about Adelaide .
I know Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne well enough to know which areas I should not venture at night or even day. For example : When I was living in Sydney , Redfern was the area to avoid in Sydney : it is an aboriginal majority area with a high crime rate day or night.
I won't go in there and neither will others who can avoid it when they can. So does that sound like I am confining myself to a certain place in the country just because I am an immigrant especially when you have sydneysiders avoiding that area as well? Or is it because I rather feel safe ? -
Willeton & Canning Vale also have high burglary rates. The worst are in Thornlie and Gosnells. All areas are in the south-eastern region of Perth.Originally posted by fymk:no . HAHAH Gazelle - slip of your tongue?
Don't put words in my mouth .
Those were examples of why you won't want to go into crime infested areas . Another example : Cabramatta in Sydney, huge asian population , High crime rate. Crimes there are perpetuated by asian gangs against other law abiding citizens. And no I am not saying all vietnamese are criminals either. Blacktown - high crime rate - a house gets broken in at least once per week or so.
Those are the most notorious places in Sydney . My point being you won't want to venture into places where there is a high crime rate in relation to your news articles. -
I encountered some really friendly people in Busselton when I made a road trip there last week. I drove my friend's car to get some supplies. On the return trip, car couldn't start all of a sudden. Some guys asked if I needed help, and I told them my problem. They drove me back to the motel to get my friend. Along the way, they spoke about "small town hospitality" despite my feeling bad about giving them trouble. The whole incident had a happy ending.Originally posted by 798:actually it's just a discussion, i myself personally feel the majority of the white in australia are racist too. but there will be pple in australia who are friendly too.
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Work politics exists everywhere. It isn't any better in Singapore.Originally posted by fymk:Not really. They just don't like show offs . You can do better as long as you don't show it.
However in terms of work politics , most of the time it is everyone for her/himself. -
Well, let me rub it in for him. I got my PR last week. My main journey is over. Fresh challenges await.Originally posted by fymk:He is whining because he cannot get into Australia. That's his issue -
and you choose to believe her just because she is a white co.ck sucker?Originally posted by iveco:Well, let me rub it in for him. I got my PR last week. My main journey is over. Fresh challenges await. -
tsk tsk .... what racist tones you are usingOriginally posted by Gazelle:and you choose to believe her just because she is a white co.ck sucker?
Note: He already got his PR ....so come on Gaz ..no need to vent your frustration on me just because you cannot get into Australia
Oh by the way Iveco , I might get to work in Perth . So if I get to work there, maybe we can meet up. -
What if I called you a yellow cu.m swallower? You really shouldn't call people like that mah, very bad leh.Originally posted by Gazelle:and you choose to believe her just because she is a white co.ck sucker? -
It is very true. Many Aussies are extremely racist.Originally posted by Gazelle:We are aware that racism exist in Australia, but is it high medium or low? From what I was told, racism problem in Australia is one of the highest among developed countries. Is that true?
And how do you deal with the situation when someone insulted you in the public. Do you just look away and pretend you dont hear him or do you defend yourself by getting into some kind of fight or some agressive verbal exchange?
They even discriminate against fellow ang mos who are recent immigrants from Europe. -
you mean the wogs?Originally posted by PoRen:It is very true. Many Aussies are extremely racist.
They even discriminate against fellow ang mos who are recent immigrants from Europe. -
How do you know PoRen? You stay there issit?Originally posted by PoRen:It is very true. Many Aussies are extremely racist.
They even discriminate against fellow ang mos who are recent immigrants from Europe.
Not many . Just a few idiots. -
tsk tsk .. such racist overtones againOriginally posted by Gazelle:you mean the wogs? -
Originally posted by fymk:
oppss..I forgotten that only white people can call others WOGS
tsk tsk ..[b] such racist overtones again
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PoRen, is it just like those chinese Singaporeans who discriminate against fellow chinese coming from China? If not similar, why?Originally posted by PoRen:It is very true. Many Aussies are extremely racist.
They even discriminate against fellow ang mos who are recent immigrants from Europe. -
Because one is a developed country, while the other is a developing communist country that has been deprieved of alot of things in life until recently.Originally posted by bangkokboy:PoRen, is it just like those chinese Singaporeans who discriminate against fellow chinese coming from China? If not similar, why? -
I was referring to Chinese Singaporeans la...Originally posted by Gazelle:Because one is a developed country, while the other is a developing communist country that has been deprieved of alot of things in life until recently. -
Serbian-Aussies can't stand recent immigrants from Croatia.Originally posted by PoRen:It is very true. Many Aussies are extremely racist.
They even discriminate against fellow ang mos who are recent immigrants from Europe.
Croatian-Aussies can't stand recent immigrants from Serbia. -
New ethnic violence shocks Australia
Posted: 16 January 2007 1409 hrs
Police flood the Australian Open at the Rod Laver Arena in Melbourne to prevent further clashes between Serb and Croat fans
SYDNEY: Shocked Australians wrestled on Tuesday with fresh signs of simmering tensions in the country's multicultural melting pot after ethnic violence erupted at the glamorous Australian Open tennis tournament.
Unprecedented courtside clashes between Serb, Croat and Greek fans on Monday came just a year after the worst racial violence in the nation's history, when white mobs attacked Lebanese youths at Sydney's Cronulla beach in December 2005.
And they followed an ugly series of ethnic incidents in the first two weeks of 2007, with Aboriginal groups attacking police, Muslims unleashing and receiving insults and a town banning African refugees.
Apart from fewer than half-a-million Aborigines, all 20 million Australians are immigrants or descendants of immigrants and old ethnicities at times override the new national identity, to the despair of critics.
"We're Australians and love our sport - all that political stuff does not belong here in Australia," said Serbian community leader John Pavasovic after the violence on the first day of the Australian Open in Melbourne.
Local Croatian radio producer Nikola Rasic agreed: "It is true there is no love lost between the groups, but it's unfortunate some people have chosen to bring their kids up in this country with this rivalry."
More than 150 fans, many draped in national colours, were ejected from Melbourne Park at the first Grand Slam of the year after the outbreak of kicking, punching and hurling of chairs and bottles.
Front page newspaper photographs of the violence recalled the Cronulla riots, which sparked a wave of national soul-searching over racism.
Even before the intra-European tennis violence, incidents involving Muslims, Africans and Aborigines this year had brought the debate on race relations back to the comment pages of Australia's major newspapers.
The country's top Islamic cleric, Sheikh Taj Aldin al-Hilali, last week sparked the latest round of a religious war of words by mocking the convict ancestry of many white Australians.
Egyptian-born Al-Hilali said in an interview on Cairo television that Muslims had a greater claim to Australia because they had paid for their tickets while the first white settlers arrived in shackles.
Writing in Tuesday's Australian newspaper, a senator for Prime Minister John Howard's conservative coalition used Al-Hilali's comments to attack the policy of multiculturalism.
"It looked really good on paper. Immigrants would be encouraged to retain their distinct cultural identities on condition that they subscribed to the tenets of Westminster democracy," wrote Brett Mason.
"But since September 11, multiculturalism has been taking a beating at home and abroad," he said, pointing to what he called the emergence of Islamic extremism in Britain and Australia.
The spotlight has also fallen on the eastern country town of Tamworth, where the town council has been accused of racism for refusing to accept five Sudanese refugee families.
Tamworth mayor James Treloar said the Africans were rejected because cultural differences could lead to another "Cronulla riot".
Under pressure to reverse the decision, the council was due to vote again on the issue later on Tuesday.
In another black-white confrontation, this time involving the country's original inhabitants, anti-police riots erupted in two Aboriginal communities in Queensland state last week.
In an opinion page article headed "Riot sets racial time bomb ticking", the Daily Telegraph linked the violence to the refusal to prosecute a police officer blamed for the death of an Aboriginal prisoner.
After the Cronulla riots, Howard played down charges that racism was rife in Australia, calling it one of the most successful cultural melting pots in the world.
However, an AC Nielsen poll at the time found that 75 percent of respondents agreed with the statement: "There is an underlying racism in Australia." - AFP/so