All out to defame our governement
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agree with you whole heartedly. your replies are definitely worth its salt. too bad it gets wasted on a toadOriginally posted by soul_rage:This is so hilarious.
The toad just goes on and on.
Snow Leopard don't bother with him. I gave him some replies but he said all my replies are stupid, silly, and dumb (only his replies are GOD's word)
So I am done explaining things to a toad in a well who can't seem to understand that he is only a toad.
I can guess what is his next post.
Rude, crude, obnoxious replies, which don't merit any responses to -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
SL has just open up a can of worms
can of worms to feed the toad?
which I believe you have been trying very hard to keep it out of sight.
not evident from my perspective. are you self delusional?
Unfortunately I think he has gotten too excited by some of the whiner's encouragement that he has decided to take his own initiative to clean up the pile of BS that you have been bit.ching in the other post.
not so excited as to excrete expletives all over my postings
however along the way, he got lost and trap in the pile of thick stinky and slimy sh.t.
no, you have lost so please get lost
Since you are the organic owner of the shi.t I think you should help him out and dont let him drown in there.
don't worry toad, the air is fresh here and if there's anyone drowning, it is you drowning in your own self delusion. -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
I dont waste my time with losers who are incapable to stand by what you said.
the fact that you have entertained him goes to show that he is capable of standing by what he says.
I think both you and M13 might make a really good partner actually, but of course he will likely to be the passive and feminine one, because he prefer to hide under the skirt instead of standing up like a man..
now that you've mentioned it so much, may be it is a good idea to hide under a skirt. the view there would be infinitely different ... sure to stand up like a man ... -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
You must be so afraid that he will reply me dont you? heheh......afraid that his reply will eventually come and haunt you??......
he's not afraid. he can't be bothered with a loser like you.
Snow Leopard, dont listen to him......by keeping quiet will only make you look weak incapable... ..and you are not...you are a hero or all computer heros in this forum.....you got to fight for their BS!!
is this what you write for? to look strong and capable? pathetic creature.
the reason why he is asking me not to be bothered by you is because you are not worth it.
if i fight, it would be to quash your bullshit. -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Dont border reading them, these are just his personal thoughts. If you dont belive, just ask him to quote you the source of those informations, he will be struggling to reply you...
why not, are you afraid your own can of worms will come out to haunt you? if you don't even have an answer to his "personal thoughts", doesn't it show you are the one struggling to reply him? -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Really? Are you ready and capable of showing us where you got all those information from? Or are you just creating all sort of BS to start a childish flame war?
he has already shown you. what more do you want?
PS > And stop pretending you are laughing to hide your embaressment.
that dont work on me.
the only person here who is irritated by smileys is you because you are the only one losing. -
Based on the self-delusion person he is, he is probably thinking this is a conspiracy.Originally posted by rane:ha ha! Judging by the rate he is going, he will still strive to win!!! He is just nothing but a bei bi xiao ren!!!
He is the only Singaporean now, and all of us are either anti-govt, or malaysians, or indonesians pretending to be singaporeans. So he is the only one flying the Singapore flag in this forum -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
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I am accusing you of providing distorted information to defame our government. You are either continue to defend yourself or admit to your little shortcoming by keeping quite.
you are by your own admission in this statement the one guilty of defamation.
If your prefer to join M13 and hide under the skirt, thats also fine with me.
maybe some day they'll have a young, blond, attractive M13. then perhaps it won't be such a bad idea to go under her skirt. -
what's there to challenge? you have already lost the challenge by your own inability to show us proof.Originally posted by Gazelle:soul_rage, since you are so coc.k sure about yourself that I can't proof that you are using distorted information, are you willing to take the gazelle challenge? -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
***ignoring soul_rage because he is incapable for defending and standing by what he said. PERIOD!!***
just because you're incapable of refuting his claims, you conveniently end the tussle with a simple "PERIOD" -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
1) Is Singaporeans suppose to keep quite when someone idiot is calling our country sillypore and sink.apore?
show me who said those in this thread, other than yourself that is.
2) If you are a singaporeans, why are you defending someone who are calling you and your family a bunch of silly people?
since no one said those words, you are guilty of dafaming all of us.
3) So it is wrong to insult people who insult our country and citizen?
because we have never insulted our country so don't hide underneath a skirt that doesn't exist.
In the real_world areana, you could been charge for defamation by our government even before you open your mouth.
that only happens in singapore, not the real world -
my impression of him cannot be better. he remained a gentleman despite the profanities you hurled at him. he never lost his cool like you did whenever you lose arguments.Originally posted by Gazelle:soul_rage...my impression of you is pretty bad and I hope you are not a man, but a women, so dont waste time telling what do you. cheers!!
so if there's a pussy loser here, it is you -
Wow, I've never seen Gazelle pwned so badly before...
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Hey ppl,
it appears the mods are not giving (informed) comments here, so i think I shall make a few comments:-
1) People like the starter of this thread should refrain from using such strong terms as "defame", especially since they are bound to incite strong and unconstructive comments. It is rather ironic that the starter of this thread and his/her supporters later castigate the anti-PAP camp for being blind or being too emotional. Calling somebody defamatory does not solve any problems or misunderstandings; it just adds to the hostility and breaks the harmony in this forum. And interestingly, why is there ever a need to defend somebody's reputation? Will not the person's actions and words and treatment of others be testament enough? Which is why - on an interesting side-note - I have always found the intent of a libel/slander/defamation law to be quite sinister.
2) Gazelle and Company, you all do not contribute to the quality of information in this thread. By making baseless accusations like "opposition destablilise the government", Gazelle is merely attracting flaming. If you support a policy, do your homework, and come up with reasonable statements, rather than evasive quips like "they are just doing their job" or quoting trite propaganda statements that will just get the anti-Camp infuriated. That way, the Anti-camp will have less reason to get angry. Many of them are genuinely frustrated, but I don't think they will turn away properly-provided explanations. These might ease the tension too. THe problem is that you ppl on the Pro-Camp seem to repeat the smae point over and over, even when it has been rebutted on several occasions. After which, you rub salt in the wound by telling the anti-Camp ppl to do their own homework, when soemtimes you haven't done yours too.
3) As for the anti-camp, mind your manners too, will you? (human), creating most interesting equations do not improve the quality of your posts. ceecookie, heaping nicknames on the PAP simply attracts the people-who-think-they-are-so-objective, and invites a flaming war. Rock^Star, you do have reasonable criticism, but the quality of some of your posts might be improved if you stop swearing. Same goes for others like foomwee88. Rane, stop taunting others with childish implements like "meow, meow, what sort of cat are you?" ShutterBug, express your views, but tone down your language, or you will tend to incite more of Gazzellian Pro-Establishment rhetoric. And please all of you, beware that you ppl do not get sucked into an SDP propaganda trap. I believe all of us do want to do your bit to improve our country, but we need to take a more tempered approach and do our research, so that pro-estab junkies will have less ammo to throw at us.
I don't think I have time to comment on posts beyond the first 7 pages, but just my 2 cents' worth (I'm sure there are more where all these came from.
Regards,
the pikamaster (who is really sick of useless arguments in this forum) -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
For who claim - ''I dont waste my with losers...... " at 10.37a.m. on 13 January 2007, you seem to be putting alot of effort all the way till mid-day, and still could not resist but to return at 8.00p.m. to vent more frustrated venom in retaliation.
I dont waste my time with losers who are incapable to stand by what you said.
I think both you and M13 might make a really good partner actually, but of course he will likely to be the passive and feminine one, because he prefer to hide under the skirt instead of standing up like a man..
This surely tell us something of your vain pride that you wear on your face, instead of keeping it in your heart and mind.
All of your detractors have stood by what have been said, and all of us have offered information that have been substantiated; but which you arrogantly sweep off with your unsubstantiated claims that all information offered are fabricated and lies.
You have not shown us any counter-argument - nor an iota of information - to substantiate your reasons for claiming our information to be fabricated and lies.
Yet you will expect us not to be spoon-fed by you, and will brilliantly expect us to verify for ourselves the reasons that you refused to give for claiming our information to be fabricated and to be lies.
After your contradictory and hypocritical display, you will have the gall to claim that we do not stand by what we have said ?
The proverbial quote of ''the Pot calling the Kettle black'' cannot sound truer and more applicable to you in this instance.
It seems that the only way you are capable of recovering from your weak position is to launch into circumlocutory arguments that leads nowhere, and with each round - you vent your frustration by becoming more vulgar.
What do you hope to achieve with your vulgar suggestion - in your quoted post above ?
If anything, it simply reveal a darker side of your persona of a frustrated adult that simply enter into a tantrum when you cannot get your own ways.
Your worsening position will soon lead you to the Institute next to the Wood Bridge at Yio Chu Kang; or alternatively, CSJ can help cure your psychological problems if you can have a kinder opinion of him. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
Congrats,
For who claim - ''I dont waste my with losers...... " at 10.37a.m. on 13 January 2007, you seem to be putting alot of effort all the way till mid-day, and still could not resist but to return at 8.00p.m. to vent more frustrated venom in retaliation.
This surely tell us something of your vain pride that you wear on your face, instead of keeping it in your heart and mind.
All of your detractors have stood by what have been said, and all of us have offered information that have been substantiated; but which you arrogantly sweep off with your unsubstantiated claims that all information offered are fabricated and lies.
You have not shown us any counter-argument - nor an iota of information - to substantiate your reasons for claiming our information to be fabricated and lies.
Yet you will expect us not to be spoon-fed by you, and will brilliantly expect us to verify for ourselves the reasons that you refused to give for claiming our information to be fabricated and to be lies.
After your contradictory and hypocritical display, you will have the gall to claim that we do not stand by what we have said ?
The proverbial quote of [b]''the Pot calling the Kettle black'' cannot sound truer and more applicable to you in this instance.
It seems that the only way you are capable of recovering from your weak position is to launch into circumlocutory arguments that leads nowhere, and with each round - you vent your frustration by becoming more vulgar.
What do you hope to achieve with your vulgar suggestion - in your quoted post above ?
If anything, it simply reveal a darker side of your persona of a frustrated adult that simply enter into a tantrum when you cannot get your own ways.
Your worsening position will soon lead you to the Institute next to the Wood Bridge at Yio Chu Kang; or alternatively, CSJ can help cure your psychological problems if you can have a kinder opinion of him.
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this is your most objective post so far.
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if you look through all the posts, you would realise that it is always gazelle who starts using profanities whenever he is stumbled or cornered. our camp uses languages that are so much milder in comparison. anything stronger we hurl back is what gazelle truly deserves.Originally posted by pikamaster:Regards,
the pikamaster (who is really sick of useless arguments in this forum)
as for the useless comments, you can skip those and focus on genuine arguments. you can't really enjoy a good debate because gazelle always resorts to adulterating what we throw at him whenever he has no answers for them. -
i really wonder what atobe work as..
lol his post is so interesting
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Thank you but I do not swear in Speaker's Corner. Others, yes.Originally posted by pikamaster:Rock^Star, you do have reasonable criticism, but the quality of some of your posts might be improved if you stop swearing. Same goes for others like foomwee88.
Do not group me with foomwee88. He talks jibberish and pumps a lot of exclamation marks into his posts. -
Dear pikamasterOriginally posted by pikamaster:Hey ppl,
3) As for the anti-camp, mind your manners too, will you? (human), creating most interesting equations do not improve the quality of your posts. ceecookie, heaping nicknames on the PAP simply attracts the people-who-think-they-are-so-objective, and invites a flaming war. Rock^Star, you do have reasonable criticism, but the quality of some of your posts might be improved if you stop swearing. Same goes for others like foomwee88. Rane, stop taunting others with childish implements like "meow, meow, what sort of cat are you?" ShutterBug, express your views, but tone down your language, or you will tend to incite more of Gazzellian Pro-Establishment rhetoric. And please all of you, beware that you ppl do not get sucked into an SDP propaganda trap. I believe all of us do want to do your bit to improve our country, but we need to take a more tempered approach and do our research, so that pro-estab junkies will have less ammo to throw at us.
I don't think I have time to comment on posts beyond the first 7 pages, but just my 2 cents' worth (I'm sure there are more where all these came from.
Regards,
the pikamaster (who is really sick of useless arguments in this forum)
Since you post a posting on us to be more objective, let's consider first and foremost the root cause of the current events.
Granted, there are silly anti-pap people whom curse LKY to his grave or make silly remarks against the party, but as far as I can see, people like ShutterBug, RockStar, Snow Leopard, Atobe, maurizo13, rane, etc are objective and credible voices.
The only reason why in later stages, the flames start to burn, is because it becomes really frustrating and irritating talking to people like Gazelle, whom offers no credible opinion of his own, but instead derides and demeans anything that we say.
Its like... let me see... an analogy where you play piano to the cow. After playing many hours, the cow still stares at you with that blank look. Ok, I think I am demeaning the gentle cow by comparing it to Gazelle. -
Originally posted by snow leopard:
1) Singaporeans will not benefit from the IRs
SL : the benefit from the IR will largely accrue to the govt
G : The question is not about who will benefit more, it is will IR benefit Singaporeans.
SL : this is the more impt conclusion "the benefit from the IR will largely accrue to the govt"
G : Do you have what it take to support your argument or are you just like the other who is only capable to speculating BS?
2) the whole objective of IRs is for the government to collect gaming taxes.
SL : it is the number one reason, even oxford mushroom agrees
G : If you say so, then why does the government suggest the Venetian LV 30/70 business model and limit the floor area of gaming business in the IR?
SL : various possibilities: anything less enticing would result in less than attractive bids or bids of the wrong kind. the floor area is calculated to be sufficient enough to earn the kind of revenue the govt desires.
you go to the sprawling NTUC hypermart in AMK and you'd find a very small but prominent corner selling 4D. you don't need a big space to earn big bucks from gambling.
G : If the government main objective is to collect tax, why should they border if the project is enticing or not? Plus do you know what sort of revenue the government desire?
Comparing a 4D booth to casino is just like comparing a hawker stall to a restaurant. I am wonder if you will have your wedding dinner at hawker center when you get married.
3) Singapore economy to will become like Monaco because we have F1 SL : in what ways?
G : You ask Atobe
SL : why ask atobe when it is your claim?
G :
4) The reason why genting won the sentosa IR bid is because of PM Badawi
SL : back up what you're saying
G : Ask Atobe (thatÂ’s his claim)
SL : i quote you "4) The reason why genting won the sentosa IR bid is because of PM Badawi". it is your statement so back it up if you have the balls. don't hide behind the skirt / trousers of atobe.
G : Obviously you are not aware that this a ATOBEÂ’s claim (Go do some reading)
ATOBE, WHERE ARE YOU? HIDDING SOMEWHERE?
5) Rich people attracted to singapore is comparable to Singaporeans going to JB to buy cheap grocery and food.
SL : rich people coming to singapore to stay will inflate housing prices here. at least singaporeans going to JB to buy groceries won't stay in JB and cause property price jump.
G : Yup it is different, but in my opinion, you argument is misguided by your interest that property prices in Singapore should remain flat or inline with your personal income growth.
SL : if the argument is right, it is right. the need to keep property prices in check is not a misguided interest but an impt economic variable that any govt smart enough would come to realize
G : Could you tell us which smart government in this world is doing what you claim should be done??
6) Mcdonald market strategy is to get kids addicted to their burger and fries and they will eat till they die.
SL : what are you trying to imply?
G : Ask Atobe (his claim is that McdonaldÂ’s food are addictive and you will eat till you die)
SL : i can't find that in his postings. are you defaming him?
G : Really? Obviously you have been reading the wrong thread. If you are polite enough to say please I will show it do you. I promise.
7) MICE activities in Singapore will not benefit Singaporeans.
SL : but won't it benefit the govt a whole lot more than ordinary singaporeans?
G : The question is not about weather the government will benefit more or less, it if it will benefit Singaporeans. Since you are at it, can I know why you say that the government will benefit more than the private companies that organize MICE, the participants the seal business deal during the MICE, and the companies and Singaporeans that are supporting the MICE activities?
SL : the most impt conclusion for singaporeans to take away is that the govt is the biggest winner in any decision, including the casinos. with or without the casino, the income from MICE and deals are just the same for private companies. hence the new addition - casino, mainly benefits one entity - the govt.
G : Like I said again, the question is not about who is the biggest winning, but will MICE activities benefit Singaporeans. -
Originally posted by snow leopard:
8.) Tourists in Singapore, will only spend money at Marina Bay Sands and RWS
SL : is the whole idea of marina sands to earn money from tourists buying satay?
G : No, their main income will be coming from the MICE, gaming, F&B and hotel. But what is your point of asking about satay? Confused?
SL : of the items you listed, MICE, F&B and hotel are the same whether or not we have a casino. so those components don't change whether or not we have a casino. hence, the only item left - gaming is the only reason for the casino.
G : They canÂ’t be the same because without a casino license, no companies will be willing to invest more than $5b in this IR project.
9) Countries like Malaysia and Shanghai are losing money hosting F1
SL : taiwan and hong kong businessmen making money in china doesn't mean we would make money too.
G : I donÂ’t see a logic is what you are trying to say. The question should be, are you sure they are losing money? Or is atobe trying to distort information?
SL : i understand, you have proven to be most stupid that's your question. my take is this: if we can screw up in china when our competitors, taiwan and hong kong can fluorish there, there's no reason to say that malaysia and shanghai make money means we're sure to make money
G : Calling people stupid doesnÂ’t make you smart. And the question here is IS Malaysia and Shanghai losing money hosting F1? And based on your argument, are you suggesting that Singapore should not attempt to do anything unless it has never been done before? Like we should not have SIA because Malaysia already has their own airline? We shouldnÂ’t have universal studio in Singapore because they already have that in Japan and America?
10) there were multiple PM Badawi visits to Singapore before and after the Sentosa IR announcement.
SL : PM Lee made a personal visit to PM Thatsin just before the signing of the Shincorp deal.
G : PM Lee visit to Thailand as got nothing to do with PM BadawiÂ’s visit to Singapore. Obviously you are not aware of what we are talking about, because you should ask yourself this question, (Did PM Badawi visited Singapore in 2006?) before jumping into conclusion that he did. (Example of blind leading the blind??)
SL : PM Lee's meeting with Thaksin immediately before the Shin Corp deal is a good example of the possibility of state involvement in the Shin Corp fiasco.
G : I only need you to comment if the is indeed a PM Badawi visit to Singapore to influence Singapore government to award the Sentosa IR deal to Genting. (nothing to do with our minister visiting the world)
12) Chinese cant afford to attend F1 race in Shanghai
SL : so?
G : Your question should not be so, it should be are you sure they canÂ’t afford?
SL : my question is still - so? so what if they can or cannot afford?
G : If they can afford, the F1 project will make sense, if they cant it wont.
13) Malaysians earning in Ringgit cannot afford to attend F1 race in Malaysia
SL : and?
G : Same as question (12)
SL : then why you post twice?
G : Because Chinese from China is different from Malaysian in Malaysia.
14) Cost of Shanghai F1 facility, US$3,000,000,000 ($3b)
SL : back up your figures
G : Ask Atobe or maybe M13, thatÂ’s their claim.
SL : i quote what you wrote "14) Cost of Shanghai F1 facility, US$3,000,000,000 ($3b)"
so it is your claim, back it up if you have the balls. you may ask atobe for help
G : I am just quoting what Atobe said. You should stop asking me, send him a PM as ask him.
15) Only Singapore Straits Times cover PM Badawi's visit to Singapore in 2006
SL : but straits times is the main newspaper in singapore isn't it?
G : Do you have reasons to believe that such high profile news will only be covered by 3 media companies and that you cant find news coverage of his visit from internet and our government website?
SL : doesn't change the fact that the main source of news for the masses would come from govt controlled news media
G : Obviously you are still not aware that there is no such visiting in the first place and that Atobe is just making up story to defame Singapore government, -
Why didnt you mentioned that you are incapable to standing by what you said and that you are providing all sort of distorted in this forum just to make our government look bad?Originally posted by soul_rage:Dear pikamaster
Since you post a posting on us to be more objective, let's consider first and foremost the root cause of the current events.
Granted, there are silly anti-pap people whom curse LKY to his grave or make silly remarks against the party, but as far as I can see, people like ShutterBug, RockStar, Snow Leopard, Atobe, maurizo13, rane, etc are objective and credible voices.
The only reason why in later stages, the flames start to burn, is because it becomes really frustrating and irritating talking to people like Gazelle, whom offers no credible opinion of his own, but instead derides and demeans anything that we say.
Its like... let me see... an analogy where you play piano to the cow. After playing many hours, the cow still stares at you with that blank look. Ok, I think I am demeaning the gentle cow by comparing it to Gazelle. -
Walau.. you guys are still quarrelling over this topic...
Whoever wants to win let him/her win lah.. and get on with life in here..! -
Regardless what whoever says,...
...all trees will bend in the direction the wind blows...and that's beyond anyone's verbal testimonies...