JI Leader Mas Selamat Escaped From Detention Centre
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Originally posted by (human):
6 days has gone? What happened to millions dollars taxs paid MM and SM? Have they failed on mentoring about the national security? Have they provided thier million dollars worth of mentoring for the national crisis?
Weird that both dun seem to be saying anything...right??? :P
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Originally posted by fai:
They must catch him before this thread reach 100 pages...
Hehehe.....Then it will never happen, because threads don't reach 100 pages here.
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hahaha
just saw the SPF ad on tv where the guy is running and his clothes change to uniform n he catches the thief.
whole ad ends with "his talent is recognised everyday..."
i think they should either take the ad off the air or change the last line to start with "his lack of talent is recognised each day..."
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Originally posted by skeujin:
hahaha
just saw the SPF ad on tv where the guy is running and his clothes change to uniform n he catches the thief.
whole ad ends with "his talent is recognised everyday..."
i think they should either take the ad off the air or change the last line to start with "his lack of talent is recognised each day..."
should change the scene to 50 year old man crawling out of window toilet limping away, while police taking a ciggie break or sleeping in patrol car. -
I wonder if The New Paper did give illustrations of the detention centre, showing where the toilet is, where the perimetre fence are, the gates etc., and the possible route of his escape.
Right now it seemed liked he vanished.
A statement from the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) says Mas Selamat vanished from the Whitley Road Detention Centre at 4:05pm.
Surely they can't say that.
What was the time lapse, from the time he was led into the toilet, till 4.05pm? Where was the escort? How long did he (the escort) wait, before he felt something was amiss?
Looks like we have to wait for the Commission's report to know the details.
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Originally posted by mancha:
I wonder if The New Paper did give illustrations of the detention centre, showing where the toilet is, where the perimetre fence are, the gates etc., and the possible route of his escape.
Right now it seemed liked he vanished.
A statement from the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) says Mas Selamat vanished from the Whitley Road Detention Centre at 4:05pm.
Surely they can't say that.
What was the time lapse, from the time he was led into the toilet, till 4.05pm? Where was the escort? How long did he (the escort) wait, before he felt something was amiss?
Looks like we have to wait for the Commission's report to know the details.
You didn't know, Mas Selamat Kastari used to be David Copperfield's assistant.
We should be glad that they didn't make the whole Whitley Road Detention Centre or our Merlion vanish.
Do you think the committee of inquiry's report will be free from bias?
What's the point of having an inquiry that's skewed to the P4P side?
They should get external sources like Interpol or FBI to get an independent version.
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Send in the CIA remote viewers. Every special ops should have their team of officers with psychic ability.
Otherwise go to temple and ask the "tang gi".
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Originally posted by mancha:
I wonder if The New Paper did give illustrations of the detention centre, showing where the toilet is, where the perimetre fence are, the gates etc., and the possible route of his escape.
Right now it seemed liked he vanished.
A statement from the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) says Mas Selamat vanished from the Whitley Road Detention Centre at 4:05pm.
Surely they can't say that.
What was the time lapse, from the time he was led into the toilet, till 4.05pm? Where was the escort? How long did he (the escort) wait, before he felt something was amiss?
Looks like we have to wait for the Commission's report to know the details.
the escort tua kee liao.
most probably under the investigation ofthe CID till he admit that he let Mas Selamat run away. then at least got something good to tell the public that it was an inside job.
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the toilet window configuration might look like this...
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... you see, this is the problem with Singapore & its authorities; they want to get something done, such as now, the high objective of finding MSK - but instead of acting they spend so much bloody time debating on whether or not it is good idea, and that it should be a National Duty, blah blah blah...
... For farks sake, cut with the crap, bump up the reward amount, and get it rolling!!
... they farking think people will spend days hunting for such a fugitive and not incur costs?? Who's paying their domestic utility bills while they go out and do this??? Who pays the petrol? And all other costs of such an effort???
... our "govt" still refuses to wake up their farking ideas...
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Yes, rewards help, says group considering $12,000 bounty
But others say it will send wrong message
By Desmond Ng
March 05, 2008
FIND us Mas Selamat Kastari and we'll pay you.
The New Paper on Sunday, 2 Mar.
Security firm Metropolis Security Systems offered $1,000 to its officers to help track down the terrorist yesterday.Voluntary group Crime Library also told The New Paper yesterday that it is discussing a $12,000 bounty for the Jemaah Islamiah (JI) detainee.
But is it necessary to place a reward for the capture of this terrorist, some have asked.
Have we become so mercenary that we will only react if there's money involved?
Lawyer Amolat Singh said: 'If you look at it from a purely nationalist point of view, this thing should not be done with money.
'Some people may also take the high moral ground and say that catching Mas Selamat is our duty. Money should not be involved.'
A grassroots leader who declined to be named said that putting out a reward could send out the wrong message.
He said: 'It monetises the whole affair and suggests that Singaporeans will only act if there's money involved. This should be a national effort.'
Metropolis Security Systems, which employs more than 250 guards, put up the bounty in an internal circular to all its employees yesterday, reported The Straits Times.
Metropolis operations manager Mutaza Sarbini told The Straits Times: 'With over 250 officers deployed island-wide, we hope to cover some grounds and hopefully mobilise our resources to help the authorities.
Since Mas Selamat's escape, officers from the Singapore Police Force, Immigration & Checkpoints Authority and the Gurkhas have searched these areas in Singapore.
'We also believe that collective effort by security associations and other private security agencies in Singapore to consolidate effort and resources could bring about synergy and joint-effort with the police in addressing the security issue at hand.'Crime Library founder Joseph Tan rationalised that while it is everyone's duty to do his or her part as a citizen, the reward is just an extra motivation.
'People will offer help and information without being paid. But there are some who won't mind the extra money. If you have an incentive, it will increase the chances of finding him as people become more aware,' he explained.
Mr Tan said the idea of a reward was suggested by some volunteers during a board meeting last Saturday.
The group has about 270 volunteers. Based on a less than $50 contribution from each volunteer, the reward should work out to at least $12,000, he said.
He added: 'No concrete decision has been made yet. The idea is that whoever finds him or has information leading to him will be rewarded.
'Once we have confirmation, we'll go ahead with placing the reward. At least, that will increase the chances of success.
'If there's a US$25 million ($35m) reward for Osama bin Laden, why not Mas Selamat?'
Mr Tan said that in his experience, the reward system does help.
He cited Crime Library's $50 rewards for information leading to missing persons as examples.
He said: 'So far, the scheme has been quite successful. We have had about eight payouts so far, with good leads to missing persons. It works.'
'WONDERFUL'
Retired police officer Lionel de Souza also thinks the reward system is a wonderful incentive.
He said: 'I think it's a civil-minded act and there's nothing wrong unless that person offering the reward has a hidden agenda.
'With that reward, a person may go that extra mile to find Mas Selamat. They may go around asking friends or become more alert.'
Mr Amolat Singh said it's a fact of life that some monetary benefit will help that cause.
Also, just because there's a reward, it doesn't mean that the person who helps in the capture of Mas Selamat will take the money.
He said: 'What's a $10,000 reward for Mas Selamat? If he had succeeded in his threat to bomb Changi Airport, innocent lives will be lost and the economic impact will be terrible.
'If that happens, even $10,000 may be too little.'
Some people have questioned if the police should step up and offer a reward too.
Security officer J Singh said he is surprised there has been no official bounty for Mas Selamat yet.
The 47-year-old said if he sees the terrorist, he will call the police even if there's no reward.
But he added: 'Just imagine if someone was harbouring him. If we put a million dollars on his head, the person may give him up for the money.
'Money can change a lot of things, the person may just think, 'I can go off to Hawaii on a holiday, why should I keep you?'
When asked if the Government would offer a reward for the arrest of the JI fugitive, Deputy Prime Minister Wong Kan Seng said on Sunday that 'this is not the practice of the police'.
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are they still lookin
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i dreamt of mas selamat at east coast park ytd sia
i remember making a police report but they thought i prank calling them
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u guys really think he can just escape from the toilet like that meh?
Imho, its all a cover up by the gov so that they dont release any names.
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Originally posted by gLc:
u guys really think he can just escape from the toilet like that meh?
Imho, its all a cover up by the gov so that they dont release any names.
... yah it's beginning to look like he was murdered by ISD and this is all a friggin cover up...
... cause, by now, he would have either been caught, or, people would have news of his sighting in Indonesia - or perhaps he blew up SG Embassy in Indonesia by now...
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what they say quite true. How about gahmen drew pathetic allowances like nsf... Like what they say... It should be a national effort and not monetary!
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... yah it's beginning to look like he was murdered by ISD and this is all a friggin cover up...
... cause, by now, he would have either been caught, or, people would have news of his sighting in Indonesia - or perhaps he blew up SG Embassy in Indonesia by now...
yea man, i concur.
Or perhaps hes sitting under a palm tree in indonesia, having a tequila shot and reading the ST and laughing at SG.
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Originally posted by caleb_chiang:
what they say quite true. How about gahmen drew pathetic allowances like nsf… Like what they say… It should be a national effort and not monetary!
... if catching MSK is National Effort, what the fark is caring for citizens called...??... if we can ALL be 100% self-reliant, the "govt" should step down and go run their family business Temasek and be truly businessmen... don't try to be "govt" and push every repsonsibility to us people....
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... when I further entertain the notion that MSK was murdered under ISD custody, I find the following scenario rather plausible...:
>> MSK was already dead, somehow killed during under the custody of ISD
>> his family came and wanted to see him
>> the detention center panics, made his family wait for hours & finally informs them that he escaped when he went to the toilet
>> hence the 4 hours delay in informing the police & public in general
... It looks VERY plausible that this is what truly happened, because it is very lame to allege that MSK can actually escape through the toilet, and then walk or creep out of the premises...
... the curiousity is that how come, and only till now, do we hear what the family has to say or anything about his family?
... I smell a dead rat somewhere...
... furthermore, MSK was ACCUSED of intending or planning to crash an airline into Changi Airport, but up till now since 2006, has this ever been proven and was he ever trialed...??
... there are simply too many loose ends, and everything that is known, were purported by the "govt" and relevant authorities...
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Whatever the case, wait for the independent inquiry to finish the investigation. But then again, it may be 'wayang' also to close case.
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Independent is still not totally independent.
The 'independent' team is not paid millions to be uncorrupt leh.
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4.06 pm today, Mas Selamat will flush the crap bowl and step out of the toilet, and all the DC staff will be stunned, Selamat will be wondering what's the big deal, he has gone to toilet many times before with no problem
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Why it must take 1 month to investigate??
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"Lawyer Amolat Singh said: 'If you look at it from a purely nationalist point of view, this thing should not be done with money.
'Some people may also take the high moral ground and say that catching Mas Selamat is our duty. Money should not be involved.'
A grassroots leader who declined to be named said that putting out a reward could send out the wrong message.
He said: 'It monetises the whole affair and suggests that Singaporeans will only act if there's money involved. This should be a national effort.'"
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If putting up a $12,000 reward for SG's most wanted terrorist would be "sending out the wrong message" because it "should be a national effort", then what message are they sending when they gave a pay raise to the Lees even though they are already paid millions each year?
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'When asked if the Government would offer a reward for the arrest of the JI fugitive, Deputy Prime Minister Wong Kan Seng said on Sunday that 'this is not the practice of the police'.
'this is not the practice of the police'
No wonder I cannot be a politician.
If I am asked if the Government would offer a reward, I would answer.. the Government .... blah blah blah
I think Mas Selamat is watching Channel News Asia, and thinking ....how predictable these bureaucrats are.
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Better stay at home watch football or DVD, why waste time find fugitive, their problem becomes our problems, they are paid million dollars, we are struggling to meet ends need. Grassroots leaders are different, they carry balls, but we carry nothing. Not to say we are selfish,