Free Tibet!!!!
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Sat Apr 26, 12:06 AM ET
LONDON, April 26, 2008 (AFP) - IOC president Jacques Rogge told Western countries to stop hectoring China over human rights in the run-up to the 2008 Beijing Games, in an interview with a British newspaper published Saturday.
"We owe China to give them time," the International Olympics Committee boss told the Financial Times.
The Olympic torch relay in the run-up to the August 8-24 Games has been met with protests in cities across the globe over China's actions in Tibet and human rights record.
Rogge said that while he understood the strength of feeling in the West, expectations of how quickly China can change were overblown.
"It took us 200 years to evolve from the French Revolution. China started in 1949," the 65-year-old Belgian told the FT business daily.
"We all know that there were abuses under Mao and the Cultural Revolution was not a nice period. But gradually, steadily, over 60 years, they evolved, and they were able to introduce a lot of changes."
In 1949, Britain, France, Belgium and Portugal came "with all the abuse attached to colonial powers. It was only 40 years ago that we gave liberty to the colonies. Let's be a little bit more modest."
But Rogge said protests were the wrong way to convince Beijing to change its ways.
"You don't obtain anything in China with a loud voice," Rogge said.
"That is the big mistake of people in the West wanting to add their views. To keep face is of paramount importance. All the Chinese specialists will tell you that only one thing works -- respectful, quiet, firm discussion.
"Otherwise the Chinese will close themselves. That is what is happening today. There is a lot of protest, a lot of very strong verbal power, and the Chinese, they close themselves."
Rogge said the IOC always thought handing the 2008 Olympics to Beijing would "open up China", and that in time this would happen.
"The Games, we believe, over time, will have a good influence on social evolution in China, and the Chinese admit it themselves," he said.
"I wonder if Tibet would be front page today were it not that the Games are being organised in Beijing. It would probably be page four or five," he said.
"We have been able to achieve something. I am not quite sure that heads of government have achieved much more than we have done."
He said the political landscape of South Korea had been transformed by the 1988 Games in Seoul.
"There will never be a solution whereby the political world or the pressure groups will not try to leverage the Games," he added.
"You cannot stop that because of the prestige of the Games and what they represent for mankind."
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Why has "demonization of China" staged a comeback?
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Originally posted by Sysan888:
Sat Apr 26, 12:06 AM ET
LONDON, April 26, 2008 (AFP) - IOC president Jacques Rogge told Western countries to stop hectoring China over human rights in the run-up to the 2008 Beijing Games, in an interview with a British newspaper published Saturday.
"We owe China to give them time," the International Olympics Committee boss told the Financial Times.
The Olympic torch relay in the run-up to the August 8-24 Games has been met with protests in cities across the globe over China's actions in Tibet and human rights record.
Rogge said that while he understood the strength of feeling in the West, expectations of how quickly China can change were overblown.
"It took us 200 years to evolve from the French Revolution. China started in 1949," the 65-year-old Belgian told the FT business daily.
"We all know that there were abuses under Mao and the Cultural Revolution was not a nice period. But gradually, steadily, over 60 years, they evolved, and they were able to introduce a lot of changes."
In 1949, Britain, France, Belgium and Portugal came "with all the abuse attached to colonial powers. It was only 40 years ago that we gave liberty to the colonies. Let's be a little bit more modest."
But Rogge said protests were the wrong way to convince Beijing to change its ways.
"You don't obtain anything in China with a loud voice," Rogge said.
"That is the big mistake of people in the West wanting to add their views. To keep face is of paramount importance. All the Chinese specialists will tell you that only one thing works -- respectful, quiet, firm discussion.
"Otherwise the Chinese will close themselves. That is what is happening today. There is a lot of protest, a lot of very strong verbal power, and the Chinese, they close themselves."
Rogge said the IOC always thought handing the 2008 Olympics to Beijing would "open up China", and that in time this would happen.
"The Games, we believe, over time, will have a good influence on social evolution in China, and the Chinese admit it themselves," he said.
"I wonder if Tibet would be front page today were it not that the Games are being organised in Beijing. It would probably be page four or five," he said.
"We have been able to achieve something. I am not quite sure that heads of government have achieved much more than we have done."
He said the political landscape of South Korea had been transformed by the 1988 Games in Seoul.
"There will never be a solution whereby the political world or the pressure groups will not try to leverage the Games," he added.
"You cannot stop that because of the prestige of the Games and what they represent for mankind."
<"The Games, we believe, over time, will have a good influence on social evolution in China, and the Chinese admit it themselves," he said.>
i too believe the games will force china to change.
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China cannot afford to close itself like DPRK and cannot be afford to look stupid like Singapore Inc. to the rest of the world.
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I have not seen a negative story about China and/or Tibet since the Olympic Torch was in San Francisco. It is the people who want to stir up problems between China and the US that keep digging up these old news stories. American news viewers have a very short attention span. They have already moved on.They are much more interested in the bowling skills of their future president, their favorite celebrities, and the price of gasoline. I think that there would be a lot less misunderstanding if the people of China were allowed full access to the US media the way that ALL CHINESE television stations are permitted in the United States. By seeing isolated stories it is too easy to get the wrong idea. There is more to the elephant than just his tail.
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Originally posted by Eddie Lee:
I have not seen a negative story about China and/or Tibet since the Olympic Torch was in San Francisco. It is the people who want to stir up problems between China and the US that keep digging up these old news stories. American news viewers have a very short attention span. They have already moved on.They are much more interested in the bowling skills of their potential future president, their favorite celebrities, and the price of gasoline.
I think that there would be a lot less misunderstanding if the people of China were allowed full access to the US media the way that ALL CHINESE television stations are permitted in the United States. By seeing isolated stories it is too easy to get the wrong idea. There is more to the elephant than just his tail.
Between China and the US there is the gap created by language. Not all American understand what they watch on chinese televisions and neither do al Chinese in China understand what they watch on the american TV.
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I agree with your statement. But I watch the English language channel (from China) everyday. And their are many more Chinese people that speak English than there are American's that speak Chinese.
My point is that many people don't understand the American media because they only see small parts of it. It is too easy to make an honest mistake. Or to be intentionally misled by people wanting to make trouble.
There are also Chinese language news and entertainment programs in the United States.
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how many of you have ever been to Tibet?
Why do u all think tibet is suffering?
No ,I am afraid you are wrong ,
Tibet is much better than before and enjoy enough freedom ,even better than other races.
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one stupit CNN pig said in a TV show on April 9 that Chinese products were "junk" and the Chinese people were "basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years.
If you were chinese ,can you bear such kind of humiliation???
Cafferty
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Originally posted by helen Lee:
how many of you have ever been to Tibet?
Why do u all think tibet is suffering?
No ,I am afraid you are wrong ,
Tibet is much better than before and enjoy enough freedom ,even better than other races.
I've been to Tibet, sept of 2007 and guess what?The Tibetians were quite happy there
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No matter what la.. people can argue. But on the world map , i dun see tibet as another colour next to china. And the worldmap has to be sanctioned by the world powers to be a legitimate world map.
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Hui Liangyu
Member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee and vice premier.
Hui Liangyu, Hui Muslim, a native of Yushu, Jilin Province, was born in October 1944. He joined the Communist Party of China (CPC) in April 1966 and began to work in August 1964. With a junior college education at the Jilin Provincial Party School, he holds the title of an economist.
1961-1964: Student of the Agricultural School of Jilin Province.
1964-1968: Clerk with the Agricultural Bureau and Personnel Supervision Bureau of Yushu County.
1968-1969: Sent to do manual labor in May 7th Cadre School of Yushu County, Jilin Province.
1969-1972: Clerk and deputy head of the office of the Political Department of the Revolutionary Committee of Yushu County, Jilin Province.
1972-1974: Deputy director of the Organization Department of the CPC Yushu County Committee, Jilin Province; secretary of the CPC Yujia People's Commune Committee.
1974-1977: Deputy secretary of the CPC Yushu County Committee, Jilin Province.
1977-1984: Deputy director-general of Jilin Provincial Agricultural Department; deputy director-general and deputy secretary of the Leading Party Member Group of Jilin Provincial Agricultural and Animal Husbandry Department.
1984-1985: Deputy secretary of the CPC Baicheng Prefectural Committee, Jilin Province; commissioner of Baicheng Prefectural Administrative Office.
1985-1987: Member of the Standing Committee of the Jilin Provincial Party Committee and concurrently head of the Rural Policy Research Office and director of Rural Work Department of the CPC Jilin Provincial Committee (taking correspondence courses at the Provincial Party School, majoring in basic knowledge for Party and government officials from August 1984 to July 1987).
1987-1990: Vice-governor of Jilin Province.
1990-1992: Deputy head of the Policy Research Office of the CPC Central Committee.
1992-1993: Deputy secretary of the CPC Hubei Provincial Committee.
1993-1994: Deputy secretary of the CPC Hubei Provincial Committee; chairman of the Hubei Provincial Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC).
1994-1995: Deputy secretary of the CPC Anhui Provincial Committee; vice-governor and acting governor of Anhui Province.
1995-1998: Deputy secretary of the CPC Anhui Provincial Committee; governor of Anhui Province.
1998-1998: Secretary of the CPC Anhui Provincial Committee; governor of Anhui Province.
1998-1999: Secretary of the CPC Anhui Provincial Committee.
1999-2002: Secretary of the CPC Jiangsu Provincial Committee.
Nov. 2002-: Member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee.
2003-: vice premier of State Council.
He was an alternate member of the 14th CPC Central Committee and a member of the 15th CPC Central Committee and is a member of the 16th CPC Central Committee and a member of the Political Bureau of the 16th CPC Central Committee. -
Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:
China cannot afford to close itself like DPRK and cannot be afford to look stupid like Singapore Inc. to the rest of the world.
China should really learn from the Americans...strip their prisoners, force them to play with their genitals and photograph them in the act. They should learn from the Israelis....force the tibetans out their homes and make them live in refugee camps in the Gobi Desert for the next 50 years. They should learn from the British...exile the tibetans to Australia to join their fellow British convicts. They should learn from the Germans....confine the tibetans in concentration camps and exterminate them in death chambers. They should learn from the Saudis...take the tibetan women into their harems and stone them if they commit adultery. They should learn from the japanese...make the tibetans into comfort women and use them as sex slaves.
And when they have replicated what the United States, Israel, Britain, Germany, Saudi Arabia and Japan have done to foreigners in their control, perhaps China can then truly say to the world, "We have arrived!"
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Good point! China should learn from the Americans. The mistreatment of prisoners by the US government was exposed and made public by America's free press. Too bad the people of China and Tibet do not posses such a basic human right as freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
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They are not the only ones without full freeedom of speech & Press.You want freedom of speech and Press? Garment speak and people press balls.
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Originally posted by helen Lee:
one stupit CNN pig said in a TV show on April 9 that Chinese products were "junk" and the Chinese people were "basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years.
If you were chinese ,can you bear such kind of humiliation???
Cafferty
Probably an isolated case. I was once approached by a mainland chinese who made a passing statement that Singapore was just a piece of nose wax on the globe and the people are stupid to follow whatever the govt tells them to.There's always black sheep just gotta ignore them or dont give face and respond.
I told that girl that in Singapore most of your women are worth $120 a shot.
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and the people are stupid to follow whatever the govt tells them to.
Really? Singaporeans have this reputation for kowtowing to government despite all the bullshit they give us?
Have to wait until Lee Kuan Yew dies.
When Lee Kuan Yew dies, the situation will start to change.
That is why I want Lee Kuan Yew to die.
Lee Kuan Yew will have to die.
He cannot escape death, Lee Kuan Yew.
Lee Kuan Yew will die.
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Originally posted by Eddie Lee:
Good point! China should learn from the Americans. The mistreatment of prisoners by the US government was exposed and made public by America's free press. Too bad the people of China and Tibet do not posses such a basic human right as freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
Very well! After you almost extinguished the native Indian population, after you tortured the prisoners and butchered over a million civilians in Iraq, you give each other a warm pat on the back saying "At least we have freedom of speech to expose our evil ways. Them in China don't. We are better than China!".
Well, I hope that keeps you warm at night.
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Good point! China should learn from the Americans. The mistreatment of prisoners by the US government was exposed and made public by America's free press. Too bad the people of China and Tibet do not posses such a basic human right as freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
if that the way american define human rights, abuse first than later apologise is define as great human rights.
no wonder the reputation of american these day is often full of crap talk.
american future president should learn to stop using china as a political weapons.
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Originally posted by Genie99a:
Probably an isolated case. I was once approached by a mainland chinese who made a passing statement that Singapore was just a piece of nose wax on the globe and the people are stupid to follow whatever the govt tells them to.There's always black sheep just gotta ignore them or dont give face and respond.
I told that girl that in Singapore most of your women are worth $120 a shot.
If your mainland is so gd, then u go back to you your mainland lah. what for coming here and citicize sg.anyway, also heard from people mainland woman is just $20 a shot.
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Originally posted by reyes:
if that the way american define human rights, abuse first than later apologise is define as great human rights.
no wonder the reputation of american these day is often full of crap talk.
american future president should learn to stop using china as a political weapons.
Any emerging Asian power is seen as a threat to the west.America should work with China instead of instigating fear and hatred.Whoever America has made enemy with is being wooed by China and its is not that China go around to poke fire into the American interest.Fuck the American destructive foreign policy and tell them straight in the face how wrong they are in many places. -
I don't give a fuck to these idiot Chinese haters. don't expect Chinese smile in front your ugly face when your try to split China
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An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.
Amercian could do well to listen to Rev Wright iso pushing their American value to other countries.
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tibet and china one family
they are one country for 1000 years
china rule tibet even before the brithish find america,
do not bullshit and be de dogs of westerns
it's so ironic -
yes, as we know, of course, the chinese are peaceful ....
they just export love and comradeship all over the world ....
and perhaps, maybe a little chinese kungfu as well .....
scroll down for a good demonstration of a shaolin flying kick by an athletic chinese student,
a preview of kung fu in the olympics ? ...
and I suppose they are the only country in the world, other than illegal mexicans in the US, whose citizens fly their own flag in other people's countries ? ... click here
chinese patriots demonstrating love for their country ... all over the world
click here ...
mob violence ! ... no no, not tibetans in tibet ....
one world, one dream ... in korea ...
you can scream, you can shout .... but how do you think people around the world would think now ? ....
there are plenty more videos up there ... have fun now ...
