LATEST: Mr LKY's Wife Critical ill
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
If you are sincere with your wish, then may this happens to your mother as well.
A good wish deserves another good wish in return.
好心有好报。
First thing you mind have to be clear of is, my mom did not cause so much misery to all Singaporeans.Secondly, I wish your mom to be critical support system of the intensive care unit to drag out every last ounce of pain from her too.
Yes one good wish deserves another in return.
Sometimes I don't understand the intelligence of Singaporeans, they treat a dictator like their parents. Makes me wonder if they are illegitimate children of the old man.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Sgdiehard, you have been seen for your diehard thoughts for Singapore, and no one will fault you to the defense of those whom you worshipped.
Since when have you seen me, in this forum or any other, in written or any other format, worshipping LKY or his wife?
Have you considered what LHL had said about Singaporean wasteful use of public resources by expecting hospitals to prolong the struggle of their loved ones to Life when it is a foregone conclusion that it will all be in vain ?
As much as LHL is heartless in his remarks, is there any warmth or kindness, or any humanity in anybody who curse the old lady to live a long long life in the room of a bleak hospital under critical life support system, with multiple tubes going into her body?
How do you think Singaporeans should react to such cold-blooded advise for Singaporeans to pull the plug on their loved ones as it is a foregone conclusion that there is no hope for a U-turn in recovery- and hospital equipment and resources should not be wasted in such useless efforts ?
I do not deny that such advice are "cold-blooded", but I am seeing is that when the dog barks, many would go down on their hands and legs to bark back. And even a dog would not bark at a dying dog, oh, I forgot, dogs are not cold blooded.
Mrs Lee may not be in politics, do you think that any of the government policies proposed in public by LKY did not involved Mrs Lee, or received her contribution ?
There were many tyrants, dictators and despots in the history of mankind all over the world, but none of their wives ever had to account for what their husbands did. Neither did the wife or mistresses of Hitler, the Japanese war criminals, ...were ever even put on trial for what their husband did. Unless, there are people who hide under their bed and heard something we don't. Its scary that one who curse for something he think....
How certain are you that LKY's family does not influence his politics ?
My common sense tells me that it is difficult for any family member to influence any old man who is used to power. I don't even think LKY would talk politics over dinner. I am not certain, and I don't care. You must be so certain that you curse.
Two wrongs do not make anyone Right.
You are absolutely right. Tell this to M13.
Sgdiehard, I am still waiting for your reply to my questions. Why you so agitated when people don't send well wishes to the lee family? YOu related to lky and family? Why so defensive and protective over the "good" lee family? -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Sgdiehard, you have been seen for your diehard thoughts for Singapore, and no one will fault you to the defense of those whom you worshipped.
Since when have you seen me, in this forum or any other, in written or any other format, worshipping LKY or his wife?
Have you considered what LHL had said about Singaporean wasteful use of public resources by expecting hospitals to prolong the struggle of their loved ones to Life when it is a foregone conclusion that it will all be in vain ?
As much as LHL is heartless in his remarks, is there any warmth or kindness, or any humanity in anybody who curse the old lady to live a long long life in the room of a bleak hospital under critical life support system, with multiple tubes going into her body?
How do you think Singaporeans should react to such cold-blooded advise for Singaporeans to pull the plug on their loved ones as it is a foregone conclusion that there is no hope for a U-turn in recovery- and hospital equipment and resources should not be wasted in such useless efforts ?
I do not deny that such advice are "cold-blooded", but I am seeing is that when the dog barks, many would go down on their hands and legs to bark back. And even a dog would not bark at a dying dog, oh, I forgot, dogs are not cold blooded.
Mrs Lee may not be in politics, do you think that any of the government policies proposed in public by LKY did not involved Mrs Lee, or received her contribution ?
There were many tyrants, dictators and despots in the history of mankind all over the world, but none of their wives ever had to account for what their husbands did. Neither did the wife or mistresses of Hitler, the Japanese war criminals, ...were ever even put on trial for what their husband did. Unless, there are people who hide under their bed and heard something we don't. Its scary that one who curse for something he think....
How certain are you that LKY's family does not influence his politics ?
My common sense tells me that it is difficult for any family member to influence any old man who is used to power. I don't even think LKY would talk politics over dinner. I am not certain, and I don't care. You must be so certain that you curse.
Two wrongs do not make anyone Right.
You are absolutely right. Tell this to M13.
Sgdiehard, you have been seen for your diehard thoughts for Singapore, and no one will fault you to the defense of those whom you worshipped.
Since when have you seen me, in this forum or any other, in written or any other format, worshipping LKY or his wife?
Your stance on issues regarding Singapore is not one of an enlightened individual. Your stance is, even if Singapore sinks, you will sink with it and not bail ship. The natural instinct for humans is self preservation, if a person has not the intellect to bail ship to seek personal safety, what more can we say about the intellect of such a person.
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Have you considered what LHL had said about Singaporean wasteful use of public resources by expecting hospitals to prolong the struggle of their loved ones to Life when it is a foregone conclusion that it will all be in vain ?
As much as LHL is heartless in his remarks, is there any warmth or kindness, or any humanity in anybody who curse the old lady to live a long long life in the room of a bleak hospital under critical life support system, with multiple tubes going into her body?
Seriously, do you it's humane for the Lees to do what they do to their political opponents. How many families have they wreck? It's only poetic justice that they suffer for their past atrocities. If Mrs. LKY was any other ordinary individual or politician, such curses would not be in order. But it's the way the Lees inflict damage on all their political opponents that calls for the greater karmic justice. They inflict harm on their political opponents, it's all about causing harm to obtain their selfish desires. My wishes are more selfless, I wish them prolong suffering for the suffering they caused all their political opponents, I do not wish any selfish benefits for myself.
Quotes from Count of Monte Cristo:
Fernand: What happened to your mercy?
Edmond Dantes: I'm a count, not a saint.Abbe Faria: When I told them I had no idea where Count Spada hid his treasure, I lied.
Edmond: You lied?
Abbe Faria: I'm a priest, not a saint.How do you think Singaporeans should react to such cold-blooded advise for Singaporeans to pull the plug on their loved ones as it is a foregone conclusion that there is no hope for a U-turn in recovery- and hospital equipment and resources should not be wasted in such useless efforts ?
I do not deny that such advice are "cold-blooded", but I am seeing is that when the dog barks, many would go down on their hands and legs to bark back. And even a dog would not bark at a dying dog, oh, I forgot, dogs are not cold blooded.
Dogs are not cold blooded? You specifically referring to P4P dogs?
As humans we give credit when credit is due, we give compassion when compassion is due. Do we need show compassion to Satan and his dominion? Like I said before, we are commoners here, not saints, let god show them the compassion that they desire.Mrs Lee may not be in politics, do you think that any of the government policies proposed in public by LKY did not involved Mrs Lee, or received her contribution ?
There were many tyrants, dictators and despots in the history of mankind all over the world, but none of their wives ever had to account for what their husbands did. Neither did the wife or mistresses of Hitler, the Japanese war criminals, ...were ever even put on trial for what their husband did. Unless, there are people who hide under their bed and heard something we don't. Its scary that one who curse for something he think....
Yes, the policies imposed would definitely have involved some form of discussion between LKY and his wife, afterall his wife is also a lawyer. What makes you think that there are no discussions in the closed doors of the Lee family? You are so naive! Like I used in another previous example, if Mrs. Lee knows of the deeds that LKY committed, imprisoning his political prisoners for decades, bankrupting his political opponents therefore destroying the lives of whole families, torturing political prisoners in ISD. What innocent and compassionate person who stand by while evil is being committed? Therefore she is not an innocent party. She benefited from the status by acquring large amounts of fortunes. If she was an innocent party, she would have long divorce the old man and not benefited from his status.
How certain are you that LKY's family does not influence his politics ?
My common sense tells me that it is difficult for any family member to influence any old man who is used to power. I don't even think LKY would talk politics over dinner. I am not certain, and I don't care. You must be so certain that you curse.
Are you 100% sure? You have dinner with the Lees every night?
You sleep on the same bed with Mr and Mrs. Lee? It's not uncommon for husbands and wives to discuss issues about friends, work, etc in the bedroom. If you don't sleep together with them or dine with them. How can you be 100% sure? It's only guesses, guesses are subjected to errors from emotions.Two wrongs do not make anyone Right.
You are absolutely right. Tell this to M13.
Two wrongs definitely don't make a right, but two deaths will certainly make it all right.
Have you not followed the link posted by another forumer, in that poll about 90% of participants wanted to see Mrs. LKY dead. I think we should go with popular opinion.
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Vengeance is Sweet and Should be Savored Like Mellowed Wine.
The More Drawn Out the Process, the More Enjoyment Derived.
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If Hitler didn't die and lose the war. I wonder what would be the map of Europe be like.
Most of the time, the death of a dictator brings about new hopes for the living.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Tell it to M13 if you think it was a curse. I thought people are only angry with LKY and LHL, and no intention to curse innocent party?
If that was a curse, then it is not fair to curse the grandmother of Lee Hsien Young's children, they have nothing to do with what LKY or LHL did.
You can let your emotion runs wild, but how you write. If it is between a curse and a wish, and if you believe in karma, the resulting difference is hell and heaven.
Whether it is a curse or a wish, I din't tell it to his mother, M13 still have control on how he treats his mom. If he is a filial son as I expect him to be, I hope he respects other people's mother as well.
you feel the pain for his mother?
First of you there is a difference between my mom and LKY's wife. My mom plays no part in the lives of ordinary Singaporeans, LKY's wife has played a major part in making the lives of Singaporeans difficult. Don't tell us that LKY's wife has nothing to do with politics, if your husband is in politics the wife also plays a part. Does LKY's wife go to political functions with him? Do they discuss issues of politics in the chambers? I guess you would also say that the President's Wife (First Lady) in the US has no part to play in politics?If none of the family members had any part to play in politics. Do you think LHL & LHY would be BGs in such a short time span? Do you think LHL would be PM? Do you think LHY would be CEO of Singtel then now F&N and DBS? Do you think the wife could acquire WT? Do you think that HC would be Temasek's CEO?
You need to do more objective thinking, instead of emotional thinking, I know you have been brainwashed since young, but the majority of forumers here aren't.
Anything that befalls them is their just deserve.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Have you considered what LHL had said about Singaporean wasteful use of public resources by expecting hospitals to prolong the struggle of their loved ones to Life when it is a foregone conclusion that it will all be in vain ?
As much as LHL is heartless in his remarks, is there any warmth or kindness, or any humanity in anybody who curse the old lady to live a long long life in the room of a bleak hospital under critical life support system, with multiple tubes going into her body?
Seriously, do you it's humane for the Lees to do what they do to their political opponents. How many families have they wreck? It's only poetic justice that they suffer for their past atrocities. If Mrs. LKY was any other ordinary individual or politician, such curses would not be in order. But it's the way the Lees inflict damage on all their political opponents that calls for the greater karmic justice. They inflict harm on their political opponents, it's all about causing harm to obtain their selfish desires. My wishes are more selfless, I wish them prolong suffering for the suffering they caused all their political opponents, I do not wish any selfish benefits for myself.
Quotes from Count of Monte Cristo:
Fernand: What happened to your mercy?
Edmond Dantes: I'm a count, not a saint.Abbe Faria: When I told them I had no idea where Count Spada hid his treasure, I lied.
Edmond: You lied?
Abbe Faria: I'm a priest, not a saint.How do you think Singaporeans should react to such cold-blooded advise for Singaporeans to pull the plug on their loved ones as it is a foregone conclusion that there is no hope for a U-turn in recovery- and hospital equipment and resources should not be wasted in such useless efforts ?
I do not deny that such advice are "cold-blooded", but I am seeing is that when the dog barks, many would go down on their hands and legs to bark back. And even a dog would not bark at a dying dog, oh, I forgot, dogs are not cold blooded.
Dogs are not cold blooded? You specifically referring to P4P dogs?
As humans we give credit when credit is due, we give compassion when compassion is due. Do we need show compassion to Satan and his dominion? Like I said before, we are commoners here, not saints, let god show them the compassion that they desire.Mrs Lee may not be in politics, do you think that any of the government policies proposed in public by LKY did not involved Mrs Lee, or received her contribution ?
There were many tyrants, dictators and despots in the history of mankind all over the world, but none of their wives ever had to account for what their husbands did. Neither did the wife or mistresses of Hitler, the Japanese war criminals, ...were ever even put on trial for what their husband did. Unless, there are people who hide under their bed and heard something we don't. Its scary that one who curse for something he think....
Yes, the policies imposed would definitely have involved some form of discussion between LKY and his wife, afterall his wife is also a lawyer. What makes you think that there are no discussions in the closed doors of the Lee family? You are so naive! Like I used in another previous example, if Mrs. Lee knows of the deeds that LKY committed, imprisoning his political prisoners for decades, bankrupting his political opponents therefore destroying the lives of whole families, torturing political prisoners in ISD. What innocent and compassionate person who stand by while evil is being committed? Therefore she is not an innocent party. She benefited from the status by acquring large amounts of fortunes. If she was an innocent party, she would have long divorce the old man and not benefited from his status.
How certain are you that LKY's family does not influence his politics ?
My common sense tells me that it is difficult for any family member to influence any old man who is used to power. I don't even think LKY would talk politics over dinner. I am not certain, and I don't care. You must be so certain that you curse.
Are you 100% sure? You have dinner with the Lees every night?
You sleep on the same bed with Mr and Mrs. Lee? It's not uncommon for husbands and wives to discuss issues about friends, work, etc in the bedroom. If you don't sleep together with them or dine with them. How can you be 100% sure? It's only guesses, guesses are subjected to errors from emotions.Two wrongs do not make anyone Right.
You are absolutely right. Tell this to M13.
Two wrongs definitely don't make a right, but two deaths will certainly make it all right.
Have you not followed the link posted by another forumer, in that poll about 90% of participants wanted to see Mrs. LKY dead. I think we should go with popular opinion.
Have you considered what LHL had said about Singaporean wasteful use of public resources by expecting hospitals to prolong the struggle of their loved ones to Life when it is a foregone conclusion that it will all be in vain ?
That is what I said to sgdiehard. Unfortunately, sgdiehard selectively replied to posts and ignored answering my questions. LHL practises double standard, the drs in TTSH refused to try their best to treat my late godmum and said no point putting her in tube and whatever to prolong. Now they are trying their bit to prolong the life of mrs lee. Double standard. If LHL cancer relapse, nobody, no people for righteousness will wish him wish.
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Originally posted by Civilgoh:
Have you considered what LHL had said about Singaporean wasteful use of public resources by expecting hospitals to prolong the struggle of their loved ones to Life when it is a foregone conclusion that it will all be in vain ?
That is what I said to sgdiehard. Unfortunately, sgdiehard selectively replied to posts and ignored answering my questions. LHL practises double standard, the drs in TTSH refused to try their best to treat my late godmum and said no point putting her in tube and whatever to prolong. Now they are trying their bit to prolong the life of mrs lee. Double standard. If LHL cancer relapse, nobody, no people for righteousness will wish him wish.
Can't blame sgdiehard, he has been brainwashed by P4P propaganda. To think that all the family members has nothing to do with politics. I wonder how he explain HC, LHY and LHL positions in government controlled companies.
Seriously, most folks on the street all hope that she lives a life in a vegetative state. That is the consensus of some commoners in Singapore.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Can't blame sgdiehard, he has been brainwashed by P4P propaganda. To think that all the family members has nothing to do with politics. I wonder how he explain HC, LHY and LHL positions in government controlled companies.
Seriously, most folks on the street all hope that she lives a life in a vegetative state. That is the consensus of some commoners in Singapore.
I read about her demise. I checked CNA for verification but nothing at all. Majority of the people hate the lees so much. People even talk about how to celebrate when lky dies. NObody in his right mind will believe that it is by chance that the sons and daughter in law are holding high positions in PAP's controlled organisations.
If a PM can talk against prolonging life and yet he supports prolonging life, can we trust and rely on this PM? He is slapping himself on the cheek. In fact, this is just one good example of him practising double standard. If anyone can ruin Singapore, it gotta be lky's beloved son LHL. It is a disgrace for singaporeans to have such an idiotic, incompetent, arrogant PM.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Seriously, most folks on the street all hope that she lives a life in a vegetative state. That is the consensus of some commoners in Singapore.
Any statistics, data or whatever to back that up?
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Originally posted by Detached:
Any statistics, data or whatever to back that up?
U gotta be joking, asking for statistics on this. So any statistic that oppositions will ruin Singapore? -
Originally posted by Civilgoh:
U gotta be joking, asking for statistics on this. So any statistic that oppositions will ruin Singapore?
That is LKY's opinion, I didn't know you need evidence to be entitled an opinion.Originally posted by maurizio13:most folks on the street all hope that she lives a life in a vegetative state. That is the consensus of some commoners in Singapore.
While this is a bold claim, and I ask for proof.
So how am I joking, Mr. Solon?
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Originally posted by Detached:
That is LKY's opinion, I didn't know you need evidence to be entitled an opinion.While this is a bold claim, and I ask for proof.
So how am I joking, Mr. Solon?
It's word on the street, if you want proof, go talk to some older folks on the streets.
Some folks on the street does not imply ALL folks on the street. I can't help you with understanding of English.
If you want to give me afew hundred thousand to perform a statistical review, I won't mind, else don't ask me for proof when it's already stated word on the street.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
It's word on the street, if you want proof, go talk to some older folks on the streets.Some folks on the street does not imply ALL folks on the street. I can't help you with understanding of English.
If you want to give me afew hundred thousand to perform a statistical review, I won't mind, else don't ask me for proof when it's already stated word on the street.
So the words of 'some older folks' made up the consensus?
Why would I want to give you a few hundred thousands for an opinion poll? I'm not responsible for your allegation
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Originally posted by Detached:
So the words of 'some older folks' made up the consensus?
Why would I want to give you a few hundred thousands for an opinion poll? I'm not responsible for your allegation
You have problems understanding "some" of the folks wishing that Mrs. LKY goes into a vegetative state? Since when I ever say there is a statistical study that a certain percentage of population wish her in a vegetative state. Either you need English lessons or a new brain.
Then don't ask me for proof, if you want to prove yourself, go around the coffee shop and hear old folks talk.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Some folks on the street does not imply ALL folks on the street. I can't help you with understanding of English.
Ha!'Some' could be understood as 'a little'; Consensus clearly means 'broad unanimity'. Do I need to explain 'All'?
Don't try to get smart wth me, I can be quite a grammar nazi
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
You have problems understanding "some" of the folks wishing that Mrs. LKY goes into a vegetative state? Since when I ever say there is a statistical study that a certain percentage of population wish her in a vegetative state. Either you need English lessons or a new brain.
Then don't ask me for proof, if you want to prove yourself, go around the coffee shop and hear old folks talk.
You were the one who claimed there is a consensus
Don't get personal there
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Originally posted by Detached:
You were the one who claimed there is a consensus
Don't get personal there
It would only show how your stuff weighs
You were referring to this statement of mine?"Two wrongs definitely don't make a right, but two deaths will certainly make it all right.
Have you not followed the link posted by another forumer, in that poll about 90% of participants wanted to see Mrs. LKY dead. I think we should go with popular opinion."
It's a post of the netizens from Delphiforums, when I saw the polls, 90% wanted Mrs. LKY to die, as of today 28/06/08, 91% wants to see Mrs. LKY dead.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/sammyboymod/messages?msg=177688.1
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
You were referring to this statement of mine?"Two wrongs definitely don't make a right, but two deaths will certainly make it all right.
Have you not followed the link posted by another forumer, in that poll about 90% of participants wanted to see Mrs. LKY dead. I think we should go with popular opinion."
It's a post of the netizens from Delphiforums, when I saw the polls, 90% wanted Mrs. LKY to die, as of today 28/06/08, 91% wants to see Mrs. LKY dead.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/sammyboymod/messages?msg=177688.1
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Originally posted by Detached:
Pardon me, I didn't know 91% of Delphiforums users could represent a national consensus
You have better statistics to prove otherwise?Maybe you can quote me saying "national consensus"?
Or are you imagining things?
Since it's the only unbias statistic available we should have no reason to doubt it.
My apologies if I mistook you for an idiot, there are just too many of them around, asking ridiculous questions with their limited comprehension of English.
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Please quote me saying "national consensus"!
I will excuse you if you are stupid, high on drugs or alcohol now.
Made a fool of yourself again yah.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
You have better statistics to prove otherwise?Maybe you can quote me saying "national consensus"?
Or are you imagining things?
Since it's the only unbias statistic available we should have no reason to doubt it.
Humbug!Originally posted by maurizio13:most folks on the street all hope that she lives a life in a vegetative state. That is the consensus of some commoners in Singapore.
Ask and you shall recieve
Originally posted by maurizio13:Since it's the only unbias statistic available we should have no reason to doubt it.
Unbiased Statistics from a single and questionable source, I gape in awe at your immeasurable sagacity
Originally posted by maurizio13:My apologies if I mistook you for an idiot, there are just too many of them around, asking ridiculous questions with their limited comprehension of English.
Your apology is well-recieved.
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Originally posted by Detached:Humbug!
Ask and you shall recieve
Unbiased Statistics from a single and questionable source, I gape in awe at your immeasurable sagacity
Don't squirm away from the question!Your initial contention was I said "national consensus".
Please quote me in which part of this 14 page post did I say "national consensus".
If you even have problems understanding a simple question from your opponents.
What else is there to talk about?
Is this going to be the case with you here, when you lose a point in the argument, you squirm away like a worm.
I think I don't have the patience to speak to folks of your calibre.
Every time you lose, you will turn another corner. Will there ever be an end? You will be another new Gazelle.
Hahaha.........apology well received!!!
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Don't squirm away from the question!Your initial contention was I said "national consensus".
Please quote me in which part of this 14 page post did I say "national consensus".
If you even have problems understanding a simple question from your opponents.
What else is there to talk about?
Is this going to be the case with you here, when you lose a point in the argument, you squirm away like a worm.
I'm no judge if you are well-read, but you can't read well surely.Allow me to quote you again for my pleasure
:Originally posted by maurizio13:most folks on the street all hope that she lives a life in a vegetative state. That is the consensus of some commoners in Singapore.
There, I even boldfaced it this time
I think I don't have the patience to speak to folks of your calibre.
Every time you lose, you will turn another corner. Will there ever be an end? You will be another new Gazelle.
Talk about calibre, someone is only capable getting personal and hitting under the belt.
Impertinent, brash, unripe and a raged emotionalist. You've been weighed, measured and found wanting
I bid you goodnight, young fella.