Singapore At War
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i agreed that in every army, there is no such thing as 100% standby or readiness. But i wish to point however, is that nations like singapore which have a strong emphasis on defence and have the financial ability to support such a defence platform would understandably be in a higher level of readiness vis a vis another nation which can barely afford to pay its civil servants.Originally posted by Silenthunter:There a very famous phrase that even kids know....."Do not underestimate the your opponent". No,I'm not saying that Indonesia or Malaysia is our opponent. I'm just saying that we shouldn't think that we are invincible.
Let's not talk about the conditions of the war machines, let's not talk about whether are they well-maintained for war because I can tell you that every army is the same. You think all the 400+ Tanks/APC SAF are in full operationally status? I don't think so.
Okay, let's talk about the tanks of Indonesia. PT-76 is a Russian/Chinese tank. About the size of the BX, slightly lower profile when compared with AMX-13. It also has a good amphibious capability. The Tank was a potent 75mm cannon. Armor wise is not as thick is the AMX-13.(without addition armor)
AMX-10 is fully Amphibious. And very fast on water too cause it has specially built propellers for water missions. 90MM cannon can rip through a T-72 in a single shot. Relatively light armor without addition plates. The vehicle is very difficult to maintain due to many "delicated" parts. Even SAF complaints about the maintaince if it's AMX-10s.
AMX-VCI, although old, has a strong armor. It's even stronger than the PT-76 and the M113's aluminium armor. It has a lower profile too but the engine isn't as powerful. The standard Armament is weak too. It's also as cramp as hell inside.
Scorpion 90, dunno much but 90MM cannon?....nuff said.
V-150, BTR and saracen are very light-armored vehicles. But they are very Fast(wheeled)
Anyone knows anything about the Stormer APCs?
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secondly, the PT-76 is truely a vintage vehicle. eversince suharto came to power in the 70s, the russians have barred further sale of spare parts to indonesia. it has been nearly 30 years since then.....it does post the question how many if any of those PT-76 is still functional even if they are still around.
OH....i want to ask...what 90mm gun can take out a T-72. last i heard, u need a minimum of a 120mm to knock a T-72 out.
but T-72 dont work in our environment so..well, even if it does, i am pretty sure those hellfire, SPIKE and Mavericks can take it out. -
i'm new here but i got several pts 2 make. many military sources have proven that even the combined force of malaysia and indonesia are not enough 2 defeat singapore,much less conquer. many military experts said that if singapore were 2 conquer malaysia, all we need 2 do is capture the pumping stations at johor. those of u hu had read the book (defending the lion city)will noe wat i mean. i'm a malay n wonder if it is advisable 4 me 2 be in the armed forces? actually, i dun mind killing my own race if i had 2 defen the country.the logic is, y will i give in 2 them even if they are my of my own race? the fact is that they are the invaders or aggressors n ultimately our enemies. i have written this 2 the ministry as my opinion. RSAF will oso most probably purchase the EF2000 or the GRIPEN. in case u dun noe wat a GRIPEN is, it is the first 4th-generation fighter in operation in the world 2day. it is a tactical fighter-bomber,interceptor and oso describe as a ufo because of its ability. now 4 the navy, they haf already ordered 8 stealth frigates but i heard rumours that they are looking into buying nuclear submarines n oso tomahawks surface-to-land missiles. that will really scare our neighbours n start an arms race.dun u all tink so? anyway, i'm curious, i'm an NCC cadet, does that mean that singapore really emphasize on military? oso will ncc cadets hu are better experience make an impact on the armed forces?
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Hi Mindef, welcome to this topic....just want to tell you that...dun believe every post you've read in this topic. Most are use for flaming others and some is just propaganda (expected from an un-moderated topic). Just read for fun and don't take it too seriously.
As an NCC cadet, I think you are more than prepard for NS life. Trust me, NCC life is tougher than NS in terms of regimentation and dicipline...so you should be fine in BMT.
Thinking for signing on? My advise is, if you want to sign on "just for the money"....forget it! it's not worth it and you'll condemn yourself only to military life and skills....in other words, you'll suffer if you want to find a job after you quit SAF.
If you want to sign on because "You love the military"...then I say go for it. But let me warn you, You might find the SAF organization full of inconpetent people so that might dissapoint you.
As for the "race" issue. I'm glad to hear of you loyalty and willingness to defend you country regardless of the race your enemies are. Heck I dare to say aloud too that I'll kill my enemy whether he's a freaking chinese (I'm chinese) or not. But from what I know in the army, many Malays are not willing to kill them own race. Religeon plays a large part too. I've got a malay friend who told me that if we were to fight, he will not pull the trigger on muslim soldiers...but he also say that he will not betray us too. I don't blame him cause I think it's difficult on him too.
I think that's why many malays are found in support-arms unit instead of combat units...to save them the agony of killing someone that believes in the same god as them.
Okay, these are my opinion, you don't have to agree with me so "twist" on the flaming part. :p Got any disagreement? Just point them out without the insults...this topic got enough flaming already.
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Oh yeah.....the 90mm gun is actually my deduction. You know that Israel's 75mm AMX-13 guns are not able to penetrate the hulls of the T-72 during one of their wars, then them re-fit it with a 90mm gun and it proves effective. That's why I though that 90mm is enough to down a T-72. Maybe 90mm can down a stripped T-72. Of course if your are talking about reactive armor plates...even 120mm need 2 or more shots.
Nuclear sub and Tomahawks??? That's way too much.....much like an overkill. Where did you get this info from? I think those rumors are lies. I think nuclear capable facilities are ban in SEA due to some Treaty(could be wrong though) and I think the tomahawks are US exclusive weapons. It's like saying we are getting F117A stealth bombers. I don't think we need a nuclear sub of a long range remote missile.....we are not conquering anyone.
Anyone got new on the new tank SAF's building? What I gathered is little....105mm, 3 crew.
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Sadly....in this real world, in times of war... u cant sit on the fence.Originally posted by Silenthunter:Hi Mindef, welcome to this topic....just want to tell you that...dun believe every post you've read in this topic. Most are use for flaming others and some is just propaganda (expected from an un-moderated topic). Just read for fun and don't take it too seriously.
As an NCC cadet, I think you are more than prepard for NS life. Trust me, NCC life is tougher than NS in terms of regimentation and dicipline...so you should be fine in BMT.
Thinking for signing on? My advise is, if you want to sign on "just for the money"....forget it! it's not worth it and you'll condemn yourself only to military life and skills....in other words, you'll suffer if you want to find a job after you quit SAF.
If you want to sign on because "You love the military"...then I say go for it. But let me warn you, You might find the SAF organization full of inconpetent people so that might dissapoint you.
As for the "race" issue. I'm glad to hear of you loyalty and willingness to defend you country regardless of the race your enemies are. Heck I dare to say aloud too that I'll kill my enemy whether he's a freaking chinese (I'm chinese) or not. But from what I know in the army, many Malays are not willing to kill them own race. Religeon plays a large part too. I've got a malay friend who told me that if we were to fight, he will not pull the trigger on muslim soldiers...but he also say that he will not betray us too. I don't blame him cause I think it's difficult on him too.
I think that's why many malays are found in support-arms unit instead of combat units...to save them the agony of killing someone that believes in the same god as them.
Okay, these are my opinion, you don't have to agree with me so "twist" on the flaming part. :p Got any disagreement? Just point them out without the insults...this topic got enough flaming already.
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Oh yeah.....the 90mm gun is actually my deduction. You know that Israel's 75mm AMX-13 guns are not able to penetrate the hulls of the T-72 during one of their wars, then them re-fit it with a 90mm gun and it proves effective. That's why I though that 90mm is enough to down a T-72. Maybe 90mm can down a stripped T-72. Of course if your are talking about reactive armor plates...even 120mm need 2 or more shots.
Nuclear sub and Tomahawks??? That's way too much.....much like an overkill. Where did you get this info from? I think those rumors are lies. I think nuclear capable facilities are ban in SEA due to some Treaty(could be wrong though) and I think the tomahawks are US exclusive weapons. It's like saying we are getting F117A stealth bombers. I don't think we need a nuclear sub of a long range remote missile.....we are not conquering anyone.
Anyone got new on the new tank SAF's building? What I gathered is little....105mm, 3 crew.
<font color=#6666CC>T-72 with upgraded armor and reactive armor kit. modified with a 155mm smoothbore cannon. An anti-tank weapon with 1000mm penetration strength for regular armor. Guess who show interest in aquiring these?</font>
If the malays soldier wont pull the trigger on his fellow malays out of race or religious concern.......well.....i am sorry to say......we will have to end his dilemma with a bullet through his head.
That is the military reality for u or for any malays or any other race who refuse to follow a direct order.
By not shooting the enemy, u are in fact hurting your own fellow countrymen by exposing them to an increased level of risk. the country didnt gave anyone a rifle just for the sake of parade during national day. by holding that rifle, the soldier has an obligation to the nation and to his comrades.
he is trusted upon and given a weapon of lethal capability to defend the nation and its citizen, by not firing at the enemy for whatever reason is considered as simply treason and mutiny... either charge is a fire squad parade for him.
IF he cannot pull the trigger, kindly surrender your rifle and declare your position so that you wont endanger the lives of your comrades who has to fight at reduced strength and worry about being shot from behind by this 'idiotic piece of morality shit ass holy allah bullshitting frag' -
Originally posted by Silenthunter:
T72 with upgraded armour and reactive armour ki. modified gun and anti-tank weapon with 1000mm penetration stregth for regular armour. If i'm not wrong, you must be talking about Malaysia. But from what i see, the T84 stands a greater chance than the T72MS Moderna.
I've got a malay friend who told me that if we were to fight, he will not pull the trigger on muslim soldiers...but he also say that he will not betray us too. I don't blame him cause I think it's difficult on him too.
I think that's why many malays are found in support-arms unit instead of combat units...to save them the agony of killing someone that believes in the same god as them.
Okay, these are my opinion, you don't have to agree with me so "twist" on the flaming part. :p Got any disagreement? Just point them out without the insults...this topic got enough flaming already.
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Oh yeah.....the 90mm gun is actually my deduction. You know that Israel's 75mm AMX-13 guns are not able to penetrate the hulls of the T-72 during one of their wars, then them re-fit it with a 90mm gun and it proves effective. That's why I though that 90mm is enough to down a T-72. Maybe 90mm can down a stripped T-72. Of course if your are talking about reactive armor plates...even 120mm need 2 or more shots.
Nuclear sub and Tomahawks??? That's way too much.....much like an overkill. Where did you get this info from? I think those rumors are lies. I think nuclear capable facilities are ban in SEA due to some Treaty(could be wrong though) and I think the tomahawks are US exclusive weapons. It's like saying we are getting F117A stealth bombers. I don't think we need a nuclear sub of a long range remote missile.....we are not conquering anyone.
Anyone got new on the new tank SAF's building? What I gathered is little....105mm, 3 crew.
<font color=#6666CC>T-72 with upgraded armor and reactive armor kit. modified with a 155mm smoothbore cannon. An anti-tank weapon with 1000mm penetration strength for regular armor. Guess who show interest in aquiring these?</font>[/B]
actually, you must talk to malay friends you know of their idea of not killing their own race. Thats not a healthy sign in the SAF. Malay, Chinese and Indian al made up the fighting force of SAF, if one race, malay either shoot themself or surrender their weapon like what you say ( i'm not saying all malays), the already small amount of soldiers would even be smaller, then your comrades would be even more exposed to death. in war, either you die or your enemy die. As for malaysia, their soldiers are mostly Malay, but if that large number of malays were also to think like some of the malays in Singapore, Malaysia then no need to fight already lar. We may even win with no casualties! HAHA. just kiddin. Take ot this way, IF WE DON'T SHOOT, THEY WILL SHOOT IF THEY SHOOT, COUNTRY WILL FALL. WHEN COUNTRY FALL, THERE WOULD BE NO MORE BEAUTIFUL HDB ESTATES, NO MORE BEST AIRPORT AWARD, NO MORE GREEN CITY PRAISES AND WORSEOF ALL!!!! NO MORE PORK!!!!!!!!!
Conclusion: NO WAR!!!!!! Wonder if the new elected Singapore Government can take the fucking insults and talkings from the Malaysian Government like the present PAP. Then if the new government cannot take it, these young and inexperienced ministers would declare war. HAHAHAHAH. Thats the time when the whole world will know our power!!!!! HAHAHA. Just kiddin, another dream. -
The new Frigates that is going to replace the missile gunboat is a cooperation between Singapore and who, France or Italy???? and how many of them is going to be built, anyone can brief me on this?
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The new Frigates that is going to replace the missile gunboat is a cooperation between Singapore and who, France or Italy???? and how many of them is going to be built, anyone can brief me on this?
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The new frigates are a cooperation between Singapore and France.These frigates looks like the La Fayate frigates just that it is slightly smaller.6 are ordered,the first would be built in france while the next five would be built in Singapore.These frigates have stealth features and have a crew of 60 men,cutting down on manpower.It also has helicopter carrying abilities.
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Could anybody tell me which radar is better, the mig-29 or the F-16C/D I am quite curious.And furthermore, does the EF2000 have supercruise engines (the ability to fly at mach 1 without afterburners)? I they do, I bet it would be the next fighter we would be seeing in 7 years time.
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Originally posted by CenturionMBT
I see, but i think 5 is a little too small. Of course the F16C have a better radar than the MIG29! The F16C had BVR interception capability as one of its main design while the MIG29 probably is designed for victory in close air-to-air combat or to do stunts. HAHA. The EF2000 indeed can cruise without afterburners. Its a fact. Thats why Singapore MINDEF is looking into it!
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Originally posted by CenturionMBT:
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[QUOTE]The new Frigates that is going to replace the missile gunboat is a cooperation between Singapore and who, France or Italy???? and how many of them is going to be built, anyone can brief me on this?
which radar is better? well....i give u a hint.
the RMAF when they first ordered the fulcrum didnt like the fulcrums radar one bit. in fact, they want the fulcrums to be installed with western digital and radar system.
BUT halfway through the change, they discover one minor detail they overlooked. that is.....in order to use ADDER, u must use the russian radar :X
SO....grudgingly they reinstall the russians radar back...
Base on that little history, what do u think is the RMAF position with regard to the capability of the russian radar?
point 2. Singapore ordered 6 ships from france. NOT 5.
AND it is not the lafayette class or a downsized class. what MINDEF wanted was for the french company to help DSTA to customize build an entirely new ship with stealth technology gained from the lafayette from scratch.
That is why it will take 5 years for the first ship to be ready. else where need so long to build a ship???
The ship when ready might look entirely different from lafayette. in fact it might looks like the one from janes' all the world ships.
For those who seen the ship. i believe u will agreed with me that it is very sleek to say the least. trimaran hull, vertical launch missile bay, water jet propulsion and low siloutte.
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Guess I got the wrong info.Well, any idea whether mindef would accuire any more apaches after the 8 are delivered? 8 seems to be a pathetic number.Anyway, how many anti-tank AS550C-2 Fennac do RSAF have I am quite curious.
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The RSAF operates a total 10 AS550A and 10 AS550C-2. The A model is used for training and the C model is armed with TOW, Cannon etc. Yeah, i agree that 8 is pathetic, but 8 is enough to take down all Malaysian Scorpions. I'm sure there will be more. Maybe the government is waiting for a better one, so we ordered 8 first.Originally posted by CenturionMBT:Guess I got the wrong info.Well, any idea whether mindef would accuire any more apaches after the 8 are delivered? 8 seems to be a pathetic number.Anyway, how many anti-tank AS550C-2 Fennac do RSAF have I am quite curious. -
By the way, since you got so much info, is the Exocet SSM used onboard the stealth frigates? are there any harpoon or cruise missile etc?
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By the way, is the Exocet SSM used onboard the stealth frigates? are there any harpoon or cruise missile etc?
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About excocets, i don"t know> howevr there is a high chance that harpoons and barak missiles may be used on it since all RSN ships have these installed.
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Yah loh tripwire....how you know all this info one? Are you in some special unit with very high CAT status? Hopefully it's not some classified stuff from mindef.....if it is i recommend you keep it down.....for the sake of national security and also to avoid MSD.
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Wah ye!You also read that book.Don't know how much of the country's secret is revealed from that book.But according to some NS man,it is just basicly general knowledge.Some of the info is either outdate ,fake or disorted so don't worry about it.
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Recently, the malaysian chief of army finally admitted that they haf NO tanks.that means..no amphibious armoured assault capabilities. they dun even haf a single combined arms division.ironic in the sense that singapore was once under the malaysian federation and protected by them.the alvis scorpion is also not a tank but an armoured recon vehicle. the armbrust may be outdated but it is poweerful enough to knock the living hell out of the scorpion.
singapore army has such an impact on SEA that even the NDP is recognised widely.
RMAF has the F/A-18 but it is so outdated that even the A4SU can overcum it.
but i believe that no machines are invicible.
actually i find it quite unusual 4 an 18 yr old 2 hold an M-16 assault rifle.
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me??? no lar...my level damn low one lah.. ok...maybe not so low, BUT not so high either.Originally posted by Silenthunter:Yah loh tripwire....how you know all this info one? Are you in some special unit with very high CAT status? Hopefully it's not some classified stuff from mindef.....if it is i recommend you keep it down.....for the sake of national security and also to avoid MSD.
The "defending the Lion city" book is already a big compromise.
AS for the ship thing. it's the RSN chief say one, not me. In fact....eh.....wonder if i should say it.....
hmmm......what the heck.
IN fact what the RSN wants is that for DSTA to combine the stealth technology of the lafayette and the YS2000 stealth frigate into one lean mean stealth Asenal ship like those the US navy wanted.
The successful completion of this project would enable RSN to even take on the PLA navy should the need arises, much less the malaysian "navy", if u can call those bucket ships a navy.
the ship will be armed with Standard 2 SAM like those found of the american Aegis cruiser and VL harpoon plus torpedos to boot.
AS for cruise missiles....aaaaa.....actually hor...(wah sweating and shivering)....dont dare to say....wait really kenna MSD..sorry guys, this potato is too hot.
Barak would most probably be included. all i can say is that ship is an all out offensive warship (but then which warship isnt??) with lots of VL missile cells all over the deck. -
Actually...the scorpion is a recon tank.....but Msia ordered scorpions refitted with a 90mm cannon so it has a bigger firepower without speed differenc. That's 15mm larger than the old, slow and unstable AMX-13 SM1 tanks.
I read from a book saying that the scorpion's cannon does not support APFSDS(saboted) Tank rounds but that's for the 76mm cannon...I'm not sure whether the 90mm supports that round or not.
An APFSDS round is a kinetic saboted tank round capable of penetrating very thick armor found in MBT. Most MBT(except russian tanks, who have their own version) support those round..so can the AMX-13 SM1.
I tot Msia had some KIFV APCs? These heavily modified M113 APCs are amphibious too....a recent new article reported that they are buying similarly designed APCs from Turkey...about 300+ of them.....Those can swim too.
These APCs are either in par or exceeds our M113 Ultra APCs. Both have 25mm chainguns, AGLs and 0.5" HMGs. Those KIFVs and APCs have additional applique armors plate...something which I din see in our Ultra vehicles....
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Yes, we have the Bionix but it'll take years to replace the Ultras as SAF's main APC/IFV. And Bionix is not exactly excelling highly above the rest too...it has some minor flaws here and there but I'm not discussing it here. Hopefully the Bionix MK2 will correct the flaws just as the Ultimax 100 MK3 corrected the flaws of it's predecessors. -
Regionally, we need to be mindful of our neighbors, but, Yes! You're right about the last point. The biggest threat is China. Not Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia nor Philippines. The highly likely scenerio for Singapore to go to war is a Belligerent communist China. The trigger will likely be Taiwan issue or the Spratleys Islands. In this case, there is a high chance we will fight alongside our SEA counterparts. And should this war start, it's highly unlikely that we will ever win even with all SEA forces combined, unless we can get the US involved somehow......Originally posted by Patriotic Tim:The A4SU would be replaced by a mixed force of F16D and EF2000. Being able to take air supriority roles and attack roles, the EF2000 would also replace the F5S. If the RSAF really intends to purchase the EF2000, it would approximately purchase 70 Typhoons. Being able to undertake the mission of the Super Skyhawks and F5S, it will only need one Typhoon to replace 1 F5S and 1 Super Skyhawk. Eventually, the fleet would be minimised but still, maintain the power and capability of the previous large fleet.
From what i know, other than the 40> Super Skyhawks that are operational now, there are hundreds of Skyhawks stored in the storage. These may be used at fake targets for enemy attack aircrafts or maybe even become unmanned bombers, like what you had said.
Well, the Stormer is a British product. t is fast, agile and is a tracked APC. Its armour is not able to withstand the ipact of modern anti-tank projectiles but it can be armed with medium calibre weapons and automatic cannons. Its forward slope is a design that make it difficult to be destroyed by modern anti-tank missile fired at its front. Teh Malaysian Army is using it too. It can rival the Singapore Army Ultras but not the Bionix IFVs.
The PT-76 tanks are low-tech weapons. No source saying that the TNI-AD has any upgrade plans of it. As for the economic status of Indonesia now, maintaining these tanks may not be as important as providing quality weapons and equipments for the Riot police. Looking at the News, it tells us that Indonesia invested alot on providing quality bullet-proof vest for the police/troops. A standard weapon for all troops. Standard uniforms and equipments. So the not all Indonesian armour units is going to be operational. However, the air defence may not be very poor. Even though they had little modern fighters, they may be able to use their fleet as point defence fighters. With their Rapiers and thousands of low to high calibre anti-aircraft guns, they are ablt to defend the Capital for some time.
As for their Navy, they are good! They are big. Some with high tech weaponary and some with no missile at all. Even though their fleet is big, they will never make it on their way to Singapore( If someday they attack).
The Singapore Army, i believe not all 340> SM1 tanks are operational but the number of armour units we are able to put on the battle front is goiung to be bigger than both our Northern and Southern neighbours.
Ever thought about all SEA countries join forces to take down Chinese attacking Force. From the present political happenings and disputes and the large arms build up in China, this story of China as another Japan may become true. It all depends on the China government. Ziang Ze Min's service is over soon, perhaps for another year. The new government may be an ambitious one.
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As for what I knowÂ…. The RSN will always look for some unique feature on the warship and equipments that being use in our waterÂ… I even heard that all those design of our warship was purposely designed for us only!!!
Just like the MCVÂ…. ThatÂ’s no others navy who has the same class of warship as we have (although thatÂ’s some which look quite similar)Â… the design of the ship was done in Germany and the weapon that fixed on the shipÂ’s are the latest and must suit the environment for us if we gonna engage in warÂ….
What I feel when I get to know that the RSN are getting those frigates was…. This time round we are really ‘over power’!!!! the current MCV would consider one of the best warship in this region!!! No joke!!! The capability and performance have always gain excellence remarks and comment from countries like US, UK, Aust etc…. one of the senior officer even told me that, the RSN can depend on 2 MCV to safe guard our water… and 6 of its have already position ourself as one class above others…(compare to m’sia and indo)
As for the weapon or missiles… I don’t think we will use Exocet hence the harpoon although has never proven in war (if im not wrong) has better range than the exocet!!! RSN will normally get weapon that’s BETTER and not something that’s equivalent to our neighbors!! Just look at our MCV main gun… although that’s lot of navy using the same gun but they are not using the ‘super rapid’ version!!! Our gun can fired at 120rd/min and theirs only 80rds/min…. rite, that’s all… gonna prepare for my exam… hope to see more comments and info from u guys… really miss those stuff as its really update me alot!!!! Seeya
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If you bleed more in peace,
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tripwire,Originally posted by tripwire:which radar is better? well....i give u a hint.
the RMAF when they first ordered the fulcrum didnt like the fulcrums radar one bit. in fact, they want the fulcrums to be installed with western digital and radar system.
BUT halfway through the change, they discover one minor detail they overlooked. that is.....in order to use ADDER, u must use the russian radar :X
SO....grudgingly they reinstall the russians radar back...
Base on that little history, what do u think is the RMAF position with regard to the capability of the russian radar?
point 2. Singapore ordered 6 ships from france. NOT 5.
AND it is not the lafayette class or a downsized class. what MINDEF wanted was for the french company to help DSTA to customize build an entirely new ship with stealth technology gained from the lafayette from scratch.
That is why it will take 5 years for the first ship to be ready. else where need so long to build a ship???
The ship when ready might look entirely different from lafayette. in fact it might looks like the one from janes' all the world ships.
For those who seen the ship. i believe u will agreed with me that it is very sleek to say the least. trimaran hull, vertical launch missile bay, water jet propulsion and low siloutte.
TOO BAD I WONT GET TO SAIL IN THAT SHIP! damn, i wanna get reborn ;>
it seen to me that ur knowledge and info are always so Remarkable!!!! r u the officer(regular)in the SAF??? to me, ur knowledge cover not only the army, and air force.... but the navy as well(normally not much ppl will pay any attention on our RSN!!!!) btw.... how and where did u get all of its??? think the SAF really need more ppl like u!! kekekeke
cheers
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If you bleed more in peace,
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Yar Lor. That Communist(slowly moving away from it) country is the main threat! Look at their rapid arms buildup, wah lau, as if preparing for mass invasion of Asia. I think the PLA, PLAAF, PLAN is not only used to defeat Taiwan, but also small and countries that is weaker than her. OR!!!! Maybe even the US!!!!! BTW, the Chinese really have great weapons. Very great indeed. Their Type 85M II MBT and Type 98 MBT of the army is better than the American M1A? Abrams. No need to compare their armour. M1 surely wins. But compare agility, speed weight, ability to cross very very muddy terrain where heavy weight vehicle's wheel s will sink into it. Weaponry also very good.Originally posted by bolts:Regionally, we need to be mindful of our neighbors, but, Yes! You're right about the last point. The biggest threat is China. Not Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia nor Philippines. The highly likely scenerio for Singapore to go to war is a Belligerent communist China. The trigger will likely be Taiwan issue or the Spratleys Islands. In this case, there is a high chance we will fight alongside our SEA counterparts. And should this war start, it's highly unlikely that we will ever win even with all SEA forces combined, unless we can get the US involved somehow......
Their SU27, J11 as they call it, is increasing in numbers and i think that the SU27 family is better than the F15C. The J10, which is a copy of the Israelli Lavi, is damn good. Equivelant of F16 technology.
The Navy. The Submarine force is getting bigger and their submarine are not very lousy. There are some "MADE IN CHINA" products that are really good attackers. Their fleet, wah lau. One day if war break out, the fleet comes towards the south china sea, the combined force will be greatly demoralised on seeing the fleet covering the whole radar screen. HAHA. Just a joke. They even want to embark on a mini aircraft-carrier programme. If SEA is to combine, chances of winning is 50/50. Why?
1) If they come by sea. Harpoon, ecocets and any rubbish would be thrown at the amphibious ships and normally the LST, LSDs are not very well defended by ECM etc. Chinese SSM missiles are not good in range whereas the Harpoons can finish at least some of the important frigates before they reach here.
2)But if they come by land, which means incade Vietnam, Cambodia and fight until the Thailand borders, wa lau. NO need to fight already. We can never defeat their land forces. Somemore countries in SEA have very few attack helicopters or totally no.
Conclusion: May all countries in SEA build up a good relationship, purchase great weapons, not for fighting each other, but combine and make a lethal force that is capable of defeating the Northern Giant by air, sea and most importantly, land! -
I agree! The main threat is the Northern Giant! actually, if SEA is to combine, chances of winning is 50/50. If they attack by sea, which means amphibious landings, there may be chances of defeating the whole amphibious forec, especially after we receive the frigates. But if they attack by land, which means having to defeat and invade Cambodia, Vietnam and reach the Thai borders, the result is loss for sure. By the time they attack is about 2006,7 and their force is so big that they can fight the US! once they successfully took land, their attack/fighters then got chance to land in Vietnam and Cambodia air bases and then every10 mins got Chinese jets doing bombing runs and fkatten the once crowded with tall buildings, Singapore.Originally posted by bolts:Regionally, we need to be mindful of our neighbors, but, Yes! You're right about the last point. The biggest threat is China. Not Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia nor Philippines. The highly likely scenerio for Singapore to go to war is a Belligerent communist China. The trigger will likely be Taiwan issue or the Spratleys Islands. In this case, there is a high chance we will fight alongside our SEA counterparts. And should this war start, it's highly unlikely that we will ever win even with all SEA forces combined, unless we can get the US involved somehow......
BTW, you guys watched ENEMY AT THE GATES? you saw stalingrad? ar! that how Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand would look like once Chinese jets can get near us.
So the best thing is to make all SEA nations set up good relationship with each other and purchase weapons that are meant to deal with the Northern neighbours but not each other, Once they can do that, The Northern Giant willl never be able to come near us. -
Please lah, China have no reason to invade SEA one lah.Firstly, they are concentating more on building up their economy.If ever they go on war ,their country would be devastated.Don't be too influenced by western media that china is the villian of the world.In fact, when you look closer, you would discover that US is the big bully after all.Poking their nose into everyone's buisness except their own, saying that the whole world have no human rights except themselves.They may say that china have no human rights, imprisoning people without trial,but look at the CIA, how many people have they assasinated without trial? Sure I know that US support us with all the best weapons,help us to build the economy this and that, but then, look at their policies with a deeper insight and you would see a darker side of US.Just take a look at the missile defense shield that they were trying to promote, all of us know that it was against China,but compare the nuclear arsenal of China and US,China has 12 nuclear bombs in their inventory wherelse US have thousands of nuclear bombs.Besides, this son of starwars project would never be succesful.Its technology is way ahead of its time.Well , I am not exactly pro china, nor am I pro US, it is just because of some bigots call Bush decided to turn the whole world against him thats why I type this.Well, lets hope we would see a more peaceful China and US in the future