What shall I do?
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a man who doesnt show respect to your decision and body will never ever show respect to marriage.....................so be smart RUN RUN RUNOriginally posted by Dreamland:...
what is true love?? somthing for us to ponder?? -
Love is always beautified, never understood.
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Originally posted by Ito_^:
"Hate has a reason for everything;
Love is always beautified, never understood.
But love is unreasonable. "
- V. Raiuhes Ahaefvthe
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Yes.Originally posted by Tuatau:"Hate has a reason for everything;
But love is unreasonable. "
- V. Raiuhes Ahaefvthe
Could love ever be understood?
Love is stays where it is.
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Its this kind of guys that make me lose faith in love.
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Originally posted by M©+square:
If love "stays where it is", then how could it be changed?
Love is stays where it is.
Humans alters and changes it as they desires.
Perhaps you could spare some time to elaborate? One still does not understand what love is, even after reading your reply.
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I think he means 'equilibrium'?Originally posted by Tuatau:If love "stays where it is", then how could it be changed?
Perhaps you could spare some time to elaborate? One still does not understand what love is, even after reading your reply. -
I spent that time on the thread mentioned.Originally posted by Tuatau:If love "stays where it is", then how could it be changed?
Perhaps you could spare some time to elaborate? One still does not understand what love is, even after reading your reply.
http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=56845
M©
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What's that?Originally posted by Devil1976:I think he means 'equilibrium'?
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Originally posted by M©+square:
One still does not understand how your essay relates to your post that love could indeed be understood and "stays where it is", but "humans alters and changes it as they desires".
I spent that time on the thread mentioned.
http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=56845
M©
p.s - One does not understand for they do not. They experience.
Never mind, though. One does agree that love, like faith and other concepts with subjective definitions, is not meant to be understood, but to be experienced. -
Originally posted by Devil1976:
As in 'equilibrium' between...?
I think he means 'equilibrium'?
Is that how you'd define love? Striking a balance between two opposite "somethings"?
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Goodness, is one so blinded by love that she can't see how badly his bf is treating her?
She has editted all her posts, I dunno what that means, maybe she has resolved this issue or maybe the guy found out and tried to get her to shut up about it? Who knows...
But I do believe sex is an issue a couple must discuss between them, way early in the r/s. It is a very important principle, and for me, I made it clear that premarital sex is a big no-no. A guy who truly loves you will respect your principle and learn how to wait. He will not blame you for having such a principle..
If both share different values and refuse to compromise, then I guess the only way is to just leave each other before more damage is done... -
Originally posted by Dreamland:
Faye Wong, Hoobastank, Daniel Bedingfield, Don Henley...
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May I recommend the Everly Brothers:
"I can make you mine,
Taste your lips of wine
Anytime night or day
Only trouble is, gee whiz
I'm dreamin' my life away"
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Love have no reason.Originally posted by rainee:..She has editted all her posts, I dunno what that means, maybe she has resolved this issue or maybe the guy found out and tried to get her to shut up about it? Who knows...
I'm afraid she might have given in to him.. -
and goes into a self-pity party and lament on how noone understands her and dream about a fairy tale scene.Originally posted by Magnus:Love have no reason.
I'm afraid she might have given in to him.. -
I have read M©'s thread link.Originally posted by Tuatau:One still does not understand how your essay relates to your post that love could indeed be understood and "stays where it is", but "humans alters and changes it as they desires".
Never mind, though. One does agree that love, like faith and other concepts with subjective definitions, is not meant to be understood, but to be experienced.
My thoughts are True Love or Perfect love is borne out of the universal theme of selflessness. That's why it "stays where it is".
Maybe it comes to a point where even words are too superficial to decribe it (at least for me). It had to be exprienced. Be it a lifetime committment or just a blink of the eye, it's eternity.
As for "humans alters and changes it as they desires"
, due to our imperfect selves, our immaturity, self-preservation, circumstances etc..we will precieve and/or act the way we want it to be. We will be bias (and so, a balance is needed?).
Sometimes we will even chase that elusive True Love to the extend of self destruction, and even to die for it. -
I was spending my morning to think thru how to put it across to tuatau.Originally posted by Magnus:I have read M©'s thread link.
My thoughts are True Love or Perfect love is borne out of the universal theme of selflessness. That's why it "stays where it is".
Maybe it comes to a point where even words are too superficial to decribe it (at least for me). It had to be exprienced. Be it a lifetime committment or just a blink of the eye, it's eternity.
As for "humans alters and changes it as they desires"
, due to our imperfect selves, our immaturity, self-preservation, circumstances etc..we will precieve and/or act the way we want it to be. We will be bias (and so, a balance is needed?).
Sometimes we will even chase that elusive True Love to the extend of self destruction, and even to die for it.
Viola! You did, and you read the thread well!
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I like this partOriginally posted by Magnus:Be it a lifetime committment or just a blink of the eye, it's eternity.
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'Balance'.Originally posted by M©+square:What's that? -
Because that's often the 'best' we can do now... Isn't it?Originally posted by Tuatau:One still does not understand how your essay relates to your post that love could indeed be understood and "stays where it is", but "humans alters and changes it as they desires".
Never mind, though. One does agree that love, like faith and other concepts with subjective definitions, is not meant to be understood, but to be experienced. -
Not sure if it's really what he meant in the 1st place though...? But what he'd said striked me... As in....Originally posted by Tuatau:As in 'equilibrium' between...?
Is that how you'd define love? Striking a balance between two opposite "somethings"?
As a love matures... Often it begin to take a stabilising state... If it is not too traumatised by any external factors or within hearts of the 2 involved parties, it should somehow take up quite an 'equilibrated state'...
By herein, what he has said about 'changes by human' is also quite a relevant fact... Because often a love is easily altered by the desires of humans or the emotional stirs... -
Not exactly... How you would like to define love is just like asking how would you like to define an apple? Though of course, in reality... An apple's much simpler an object...Originally posted by Tuatau:Is that how you'd define love? Striking a balance between two opposite "somethings"?
HOW would you DEFINE AN APPLE? Depends on how you would like it to be described...?
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diff ppl has diff definition of love, i personlly feel that Love is to give, submit, care, appreciate, respect and it involve responsibility......................sad to say 'love' become very cheap in this society................today they love each other, next day they 'kiss and say goodbye' following day they find new love.. ........
some ppl want to love but don have the courage to bear responsiblities...........sad right...............................................
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Originally posted by Magnus:
In other words, Love is like an elephant, and we humans are but blind men feeling different parts of the elephant? So the question that follows is: Is selfless love the ultimate big picture?
I have read M©'s thread link.
My thoughts are True Love or Perfect love is borne out of the universal theme of selflessness. That's why it "stays where it is".
Maybe it comes to a point where even words are too superficial to decribe it (at least for me). It had to be exprienced. Be it a lifetime committment or just a blink of the eye, it's eternity.
As for "humans alters and changes it as they desires"
, due to our imperfect selves, our immaturity, self-preservation, circumstances etc..we will precieve and/or act the way we want it to be. We will be bias (and so, a balance is needed?).
Sometimes we will even chase that elusive True Love to the extend of self destruction, and even to die for it.
I personally subscribe to the school of thought that love can be classified into 3 categories: Eros, Philia and Agape (they could be different parts of the elephant).
Your definition of True Love or Perfect Love seems to match very closely with Agape (Paul also talked about Love in this sense in his letter to the Corinthians), but such True Love is a concept of a higher spiritual level that is difficult to understand and even more difficult to act in accordance with. That is because the selfless nature of Agape appears to violate our instinctive nature for self-preservation and actions in self-interest. And that is also why that particular definition of love can remain universal and ageless: people who cannot live it cannot twist it to their perceptions; people who can live it no longer consider the definition relevant -- they just live it.
Love, as described in most threads here however, is only limited to Eros and sometimes Philia. Those two concepts could be easier to grasp, but problem is the boundaries are often vague and subject to personal and emotional bias. Hence, we may know what Love (especially in terms of Eros) is, but to understand Love within this scope, to study its workings and effects on humans, to explain why humans in Love do the things they do would be an exercise in futility as such Love simply defies rational scrutiny.
The point is: For common peons like myself, Love (Agape) is almost unattainable (at this point in life) that understanding it becomes rather meaningless; whereas Love (Eros/Philia) is too irrational to be understood. Though I'd much rather choose to be in Love (Eros/Philia) and remain blissfully ignorant, than to be in Love (Agape) and become spiritually enlightened. For now, at least.
Thanks for the explanations, anyway. It was a stimulating discussion.
Note: Some people have told me that Agape could co-exist with Eros/Philia, but that is perhaps a discussion better left for another day. -
That would be an interesting concept.. I've thought that it could be... But...Originally posted by Tuatau:Note: Some people have told me that Agape could co-exist with Eros/Philia, but that is perhaps a discussion better left for another day.
After a few rounds, it just boils down back to the basics again...