..... Don't be too hard on yourself...?Originally posted by tequila:think if we carry on, will only make our lives more miserable.
i don't think i am fit to be a wife, quite true of what u say, i can't contribute at all.
my mind set still a child, play until die. can't commit myself to marriage life.
i detest people nagging and controlling me.
i can't handle responsibilities at all.
i am weak in love, cos i dun know what is it.
i am hard-hearted
I had suggest for counselling but this is what she reply me.. think divorce is the only road now..![]()
Originally posted by tequila:I had suggest for counselling but this is what she reply me.. think divorce is the only road now..![]()
Merry Meet Tequila,Originally posted by tequila:think if we carry on, will only make our lives more miserable.
i don't think i am fit to be a wife, quite true of what u say, i can't contribute at all.
my mind set still a child, play until die. can't commit myself to marriage life.
i detest people nagging and controlling me.
i can't handle responsibilities at all.
i am weak in love, cos i dun know what is it.
i am hard-hearted
I had suggest for counselling but this is what she reply me.. think divorce is the only road now..![]()
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
[b]Merry Meet Yunhaier,
So what will be your resolution for them since there is very strong influence of Uranus. Perhaps there is more than one forces at work, there is definitely an influence of Jupiter too.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b]
Yes, she got influence by ppl very easily, We got to know each other abt 1 year.Originally posted by Great_One:Dude you just like dug a 6 foot hole for yourself when you accepted that marriage proposal.
I don't know. But it sounds like your wife is having second thoughts since mariage life is probably not what she expected. I am curious though. How long did you know her before you were both married ?
I find it hard that a person can change so fast unless she is much more weak-willed. Perhaps she has been brainwashed by some ppl. Hard to say. Since she is avoiding the issue there is no real point in discussing it. Might be get worst with counselling.
Personally I think she is playing you. She probably having fun being single again and I promise you mistakes will be made. Going clubbing and all means getting drunk and when you are drunk you will make mistakes. Sooner or later. And when that happens its going to get worst.
Now if you want to divorce her than she gets alimony and live off all your hard work while she keeps enjoying her carefree life. Ask yourself this, if she really treasured your love for her and hers for you, do you think she would take off her wedding ring and tell people she is still single. When she says she is single it is an invitation for other men to come and woo her and crap.
And don't listen to this "talk to her" cow dung. You gave it a go and she didn't even think it important enough to talk over it with you. You and her are HUSBAND AND WIFE. If you two can't even discuss about your marital problems sincerely there is no real point in being married ia there. Its insulting the very santity and foundation a marriage is suppose to be based upon.
Here we have a sincere guy working hard to earn money and put food on the table. And provide a roof over her head. So instead of appreciating the kind of sacrifice the guy made, the girl complains her freedom is being stifled and taken away. NOW TELL ME, WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THAT ?! Why are people even trying to find a reason why the girl might be doing it. I am sure tequila has done all he can. He's 30 and surely enough more than intelligent and mature to figure and approach the problem.
Shes demanding too much without even doing anything. I detest women like that. Who the hell they think they are. I have seen so many of this cow dung its making me sick. Worst of all the guy have to shoulder some of the blame or fault. What UTTER CRAP.
My advice is simple. Don't give in to anything she wants. She wants a divorce, don't give her one. Thats right, drag her along and make her suffer. She wants to fool around. Fine you can do that to. She wants moolah. Go tell her to earn her own. From now on have separate bank accounts and assets. This is to protect your own arse. Give her a divorce and she is going to squeeze you for everything you got. <---------- well this scenario if she really is not even bother trying to save the marriage and trying to scum off you later
But through all this I do wish you the best. Hope in some way maybe she just lost and need some nudging back to the right path. Just try your best to sort it out with your wife. But make sure she must be fair and do her part as well to save the marriage.
Maybe the Great One be with you
Originally posted by Yunhaier:Thanks Yunhaier, i had read a lot of your advice to other ppl in here and i find that ur advice are really very good and constructive, in fact i admire u for that but this time round i dun think u r helping. Forgive my ignorance but i think u r just trying to show Oceanos how much u know abt this planet, that planet thingy. I dun think its useful to me. Thanks anyway..Resolution for strong Uranus?
If individualism is too strong, marriage is likely to fall. CloUdiSm states the poles of marriage has to be constantly work by the couple - akin to a two dimensional triangle, where the apex represent the relationship.
/_\
This is similar to the employee of a company striving hard for the firm. Even the CEO, technically, works for the 'company' (the imaginary boss). Likewise, we work for the relationship like a separate entity. Strong Uranus can only be dissolved by humanity and crucial understanding of harmony. Self discovery is paramount, for there would be a day where everyone grows weary of individualism and uncover the goodness of a proper relationship. However, when will this day be?
Maturity, enlightenment, or what you call it - if it comes to late, regret will sink in.
***
[b]Astro mode: OnIn a Divorce case, of course, there are more than one influence in the birthchart. It depends on the formation of his birthchart. Jupiter in 7th house (or Sagittarius cusps on Descendant - [Pisces or Gemini risky as well]), may signify a double marriage. But if Saturn (or Capricorn Cusps) is involved, it may signify a divorce because of the Loner karmic pattern tendency, and not a 'fruitful/abundance' effect of Jupiter, with regards to potential partners.
Nevertheless, in a transition, a divorce is definitely trigger by a Uranus-related effect. If Pluto is involved in the transition, this relationship is permanently dead without any hope of resurrection.
Cheers[/b]
Originally posted by OCEANOS:thanks for all ur advice oceanos, especially the 2nd one, i really appreciate that but i believe if the love, the heart is not longer there, that's no point having a spell or any magic to win her back...
[b]Merry Meet Tequila,
Communication seems to be quite difficult. Why don't you try my " Love Reconciliation " spellkit? Before you make any decision.
This particular LOA Spellkit, " Love Reconciliation " is a powerful spell as the title speak for itself to reconcile your love with you. If there is always Heated Arguments that led to Quarrel that soured One's heart. Hostility & Communication Breakdown between a couple, they don't or seldom interact anymore, this is the spell for you to link back the communication & remove all Hostilities in the relationship which soured Lovers' Relationship. Make eveything that went wrong back to normal!
If everything seem disheartened, a Breakup is impeding, This will help you as long as there is still Love irregardless more or less! Fast Effect with Easy to follow instructions thats all i can say! You got to have the intent & desire to want to help yourself before anyone can help you. Loose talk will not help anyway. I have help many with issues like yours not only people from here. Anyway that is as much as i can do, the rest is up to you.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos
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Originally posted by tequila:Thanks Yunhaier, i had read a lot of your advice to other ppl in here and i find that ur advice are really very good and constructive, in fact i admire u for that but this time round i dun think u r helping. Forgive my ignorance but i think u r just trying to show Oceanos how much u know abt this planet, that planet thingy. I dun think its useful to me. Thanks anyway..
i can't have frens with married status..!!Isn't this as good as initial proposal of a divorce?
nobody want or dare to ask me out jus because i got husband..!!
nobody dare to come near me jus because i need to do my duties as wife.
Everything must report in detail. everything i do must consider carefully otherwise bad reputation...!!!
I hate to get married....
think if we carry on, will only make our lives more miserable.
i don't think i am fit to be a wife, quite true of what u say, i can't contribute at all.
my mind set still a child, play until die. can't commit myself to marriage life.
i detest people nagging and controlling me.
i can't handle responsibilities at all.
i am weak in love, cos i dun know what is it.
i am hard-hearted...
Originally posted by Yunhaier:how come i see my nick?
Isn't this as good as initial proposal of a divorce?
[b]Love cannot assimilate into the unwilling (as written in my prior post) means in simple tongue, the ball is no longer at your court. If this marriage is something that she detest, how much so called 'constructive advice' to work things out will fail because she doesn't want. You can't force a marriage to work akin to someone who doesn't love you to Love you.
You can only save the willing. But it seemed that your wife is heeding towards the exit door WITHOUT turning back. She wants to back out so fast that everything else doesn't even bother her. So what if you are working so hard to put food on the table? The issue is NO longer about neglecting - it is about faded love... with failing marriage.
You cannot see examples like shinta because as again, this is no longer about neglecting. The variables are so different.
***Lets talk about communication. FYI, a marriage counsellor doesn't have the power of Hades nor the arrows of Cupid - what a marriage counsellor does is to merely to play a mediator's role, in hoping to broaden one perspective through the use of understanding and empathy.
The rate of success? It FAILS the moment there is an unwilling party. A marriage counsellor is only beneficial for certain cases - for if it isn't, why would have have a whooping 6500 odd divorce cases, amounting to a close 30% marriage ending in divorce in year 2003?! Please do not think of marriage counsellor as a solution to marital problems - the actual solution lies with the couple themselves. A closed heart or narrow mindset will resist all form of opening up, which will fail all attempts of understanding and empathy.
Your communication is reduced to emailing - the next sensible thing to do is to bring THIS communication to a face-to-face talk with an ultimatum. Talk about:
I) Your relationship prior.
II) Your marriage.
III) What do each of you think has gone wrong?
IV) Does she still even want the marriage at all... even in thoughts and feelings.
V) Is there any way we could work together? (If yes for the above IV)
It's ok if you both are don't know how to repair the relationship, but the minimal requisite is to have a positive IV. Only then, any form of marital counselling may help.
***
P.S: I don't actually 'help' anyone; I merely try to break down people's problem to something more digestible. They see the picture I portray to them and thought it was helpful. Technically, I didn't do anything at all.
They help themselves by keeping an open mind and work to improve the situation or die by it. For words means nothing without implementation or reflection. If you keep telling youself that you are lost - you will be until you decide to gain clarity and decide for yourself.
Maybe that's why I am still hestating about my career path as a full time counsellor, because I see Love as my focus and not government statistic like staying in marriage and lowering rate of divorce - all from a macro perspective. The garmen obviously wants couple to remain in their marriage to reproduce as cash cows to squeeze but wth! What kind of marriage are we having then? In a micro perspective: Souless I tell you! I cannot see myself having to do such things... for unhappiness to reign due to loveless relationship, that's so painfully foolish. You can have people thinking that 'waiting for ten years = true love' or divorce = 'something bad' kind of mindset - I know there is still a long way before society here evolve with a broader mindset with emphasise on Love and not statistic.
Thousand of apologies if this long essay make no sense here
Cheers [/b]
Originally posted by shinta:how come i see my nick?
CheersOriginally posted by shinta:Sharing my experience.
Nellie works for long hours too. he works from 11 - 9.30 5 days a week, but his off days are mainly on weekdays when i'm at work. haa. i'm holdin a 9-6 job.
there are times when i'd wanna complain, cos we're not gg out at allwe see each other for just an hour or 3? each day haha... and thats becos we're livin together. if we're not doin that.. i have no idea what the r/s will turn out to be like. haha
hmm.. so far things are great between us, plannin to get ROM next year. I'm gettin used to his working hours, so much it doesn make any difference on his off days.
i play my games, he play his. with breaks in between to talk and all that.
maybe cos it's not just us 2, so it never gets lonely.
my suggestion: if things are good between ur wife n ur family/u n her family, move and live under 1 roof.
at least there's company
oh..Originally posted by Yunhaier:Cheers
Originally posted by shinta:oh..
got link?
oh...Originally posted by Yunhaier:There is no link.. that's why it is shown as an example of no link.
Cheers
Woohoo!!!! So alike!Originally posted by Yunhaier:P.S: I don't actually 'help' anyone; I merely try to break down people's problem to something more digestible. They see the picture I portray to them and thought it was helpful. Technically, I didn't do anything at all.
They help themselves by keeping an open mind and work to improve the situation or die by it. For words means nothing without implementation or reflection. If you keep telling youself that you are lost - you will be until you decide to gain clarity and decide for yourself.
Maybe that's why I am still hestating about my career path as a full time counsellor, because I see Love as my focus and not government statistic like staying in marriage and lowering rate of divorce - all from a macro perspective. The garmen obviously wants couple to remain in their marriage to reproduce as cash cows to squeeze but wth! What kind of marriage are we having then? In a micro perspective:Souless I tell you! I cannot see myself having to do such things... for unhappiness to reign due to loveless relationship, that's so painfully foolish. You can have people thinking that 'waiting for ten years = true love' or divorce = 'something bad' kind of mindset - I know there is still a long way before society here evolve with a broader mindset with emphasise on Love and not statistic.
Thousand of apologies if this long essay make no sense here
Cheers
Originally posted by tequila:Thanks Yunhaier, U r really someone i admired of. I apologise if i had offended you with my pervious post.
In the begining i always blame myself and my work that lead to this situation right now but after some thinking and also reading what u said, i think it is only part of the cause...
I don't think change a new job will helps..
Today i actually ask my boss for half day leave so that i can find her and talk about it. She blamed me for treating her so cold for the past few days and refused to talk to me.. Said she will talk to me if she wants to. Am i wrong to treat her coldly when she had done all this thing? Does she expect me to joke with her, love her as much as before? I think this is really the full stop to this relationship but i really can't get over it...
Originally posted by M©+square:Woohoo!!!! So alike!![]()
Originally posted by Yunhaier:Merry Meet Yunhaier,Resolution for strong Uranus?
If individualism is too strong, marriage is likely to fall. CloUdiSm states the poles of marriage has to be constantly work by the couple - akin to a two dimensional triangle, where the apex represent the relationship.
/_\
This is similar to the employee of a company striving hard for the firm. Even the CEO, technically, works for the 'company' (the imaginary boss). Likewise, we work for the relationship like a separate entity. Strong Uranus can only be dissolved by humanity and crucial understanding of harmony. Self discovery is paramount, for there would be a day where everyone grows weary of individualism and uncover the goodness of a proper relationship. However, when will this day be?
Maturity, enlightenment, or what you call it - if it comes to late, regret will sink in.
***
[b]Astro mode: OnIn a Divorce case, of course, there are more than one influence in the birthchart. It depends on the formation of his birthchart. Jupiter in 7th house (or Sagittarius cusps on Descendant - [Pisces or Gemini risky as well]), may signify a double marriage. But if Saturn (or Capricorn Cusps) is involved, it may signify a divorce because of the Loner karmic pattern tendency, and not a 'fruitful/abundance' effect of Jupiter, with regards to potential partners.
Nevertheless, in a transition, a divorce is definitely trigger by a Uranus-related effect. If Pluto is involved in the transition, this relationship is permanently dead without any hope of resurrection.
Cheers[/b]
Originally posted by OCEANOS:Got a question to ask you leh... why am I a crystal child?
[b]Merry Meet Yunhaier,
Thanks for your reply crystal child. Changes that brought about Expansion be it good or bad. Jupiter isn't really all about abundance, Expansion is part of its Influence be it good or bad. Well Jupiter is definitely at work. What is lacking now is Mercury. See with your heart not your mind.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos
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