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Originally posted by rane:hello, walesa - I share the same sentiment. However cowardly the guys are if they still don't make the move, if the gals are interested in them and they have other guys who make the move to know them - they will go for them.
Guys, don't wait for the gals you are interested to get their boyfriends then you will regret for not making the move. Nan zui nu shi tian jing di yi de shi !!
There seems to be some contradiction in the two posts. Would you mind clarifying them?Originally posted by rane:Don't let whatever mistakes, rejection, fear, to stop you from attaining your happiness, your "xing fu". Only you yourself are able to help yourself to get what you want, if you don't help yourself, nobody will. !!
In your second post, you claim "only you yourself are able to help yourself to get what you want". How then do you explain the fact that, in your first post, most girls will actually go for the most eligible guy who woos her rather than the most eligible guy she wants? I mean, assuming your second hypothesis held, would most girls then be not fighting for their own happiness?
Would girls happily (ok, let's assume we're talking about more mature relationships where people are looking to settle down rather than teenage romances) settle for someone who may not be their ideal choice just because there's no one better wooing them?
How then do you explain the point whereby most girls do not actually make a move on the guys they fancy and would rather settle for the best who woo them? I mean if you were one of these girls(and I'm not assuming you're), would you not look back in time to come and wonder what might have been had you made the first move on the guy you really fancied(but who didn't make the first move on you)? -
Originally posted by walesa:
OK, what I am going to say does not refer to the gals who love making the first move. I am basing on the general - gals want guys to make the move. Well, this is how a gal thinks and considers - if the guy she is interested doesn't bother to make the move, she will take it that the guy is not serious, not sincere, guy is a coward, or not interested. IN no time, she will stop thinking about him. if there is anyone who is interested comes along and this guy is proactive - makes the first move and so on if she is interested she will give this guy the chance. Or some gals may drop hints to the guys that they are interested, if no action from the guys then they will give up. Why waste time on guys who are not interested there are still so many out there!!!
There seems to be some contradiction in the two posts. Would you mind clarifying them?
In your second post, you claim "only you yourself are able to help yourself to get what you want". How then do you explain the fact that, in your first post, most girls will actually go for the most eligible guy who woos her rather than the most eligible guy she [b]wants? I mean, assuming your second hypothesis held, would most girls then be not fighting for their own happiness? Would girls happily (ok, let's assume we're talking about more mature relationships where people are looking to settle down rather than teenage romances) settle for someone who may not be their ideal choice just because there's no one better wooing them?
How then do you explain the point whereby most girls do not actually make a move on the guys they fancy and would rather settle for the best who woo them? I mean if you were one of these girls(and I'm not assuming you're), would you not look back in time to come and wonder what might have been had you made the first move on the guy you really fancied(but who didn't make the first move on you)?
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Minority or very rarely you will come across gals who will go for the guys by wooing the guys they like to attain their lifetime happiness. I look around and I am sad to tell you that those very few (very rare) gals who make the first move got married and divorced. Well, I don't mean to say there is no divorce case when the guy makes the first move. What I am saying is based on ratio.
May be you have not gone into any relationship, you may be interested in someone and hesitating to approach her or not, or you have been hurt in relationship, so you don't have the chance to enjoy the joy of wooing gals. The best is to talk to guys who have successfully wooed the gals and they are enjoying the fruit of their labour now. They will give you a better picture and advice. 
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Today went to work with the intention to chat with her.. But she never work.. For 3 times now, That I have went down, She wasn't there
Then today work totally no mood, Keep thinking about those missed opportunities I feel very sad and lost.
I kept wishing that I could rewind time
Now my only chance is Thursday before I change to another department, The other dept which I changing to is the same as her, But her counter already full and they have seem to hire one or 2 more guys
More competition.....
If I'm lucky, My new manager lets me finish my work, I should start after CNY hence giving me Thursday, Monday, Wednesday and Friday... Sigh... feel so sad and lost now -
Hei, hei, see if she really left already, then you won't see her anymore unless you 2 really have yuan!! So now you feel it and wanna turn back the clock, ha ha!!! REmember what Ix Shen said b4, he regretted not making the move and one day he saw the gal with another already then he regret. so from then onwards, he learned his lesson well and when he sees the gal he likes he makes the first move. Learn from him, agenda!! Remember without labour you won't enjoy the fruit!!!Originally posted by Agenda:Today went to work with the intention to chat with her.. But she never work.. For 3 times now, That I have went down, She wasn't there
Then today work totally no mood, Keep thinking about those missed opportunities I feel very sad and lost.
I kept wishing that I could rewind time
Now my only chance is Thursday before I change to another department, The other dept which I changing to is the same as her, But her counter already full and they have seem to hire one or 2 more guys
More competition.....
If I'm lucky, My new manager lets me finish my work, I should start after CNY hence giving me Thursday, Monday, Wednesday and Friday... Sigh... feel so sad and lost now
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No disrespect, but that probably tells a tale on its own - like why people struggle to understand how nice-looking girls end up with average-looking/below-average-looking guys and why some need to resort to professional matchmaking agencies to find their life partners.Originally posted by rane:OK, what I am going to say does not refer to the gals who love making the first move. I am basing on the general - gals want guys to make the move. Well, this is how a gal thinks and considers - if the guy she is interested doesn't bother to make the move, she will take it that the guy is not serious, not sincere, guy is a coward, or not interested. IN no time, she will stop thinking about him. if there is anyone who is interested comes along and this guy is proactive - makes the first move and so on if she is interested she will give this guy the chance. Or some gals may drop hints to the guys that they are interested, if no action from the guys then they will give up. Why waste time on guys who are not interested there are still so many out there!!!
Minority or very rarely you will come across gals who will go for the guys by wooing the guys they like to attain their lifetime happiness. I look around and I am sad to tell you that those very few (very rare) gals who make the first move got married and divorced. Well, I don't mean to say there is no divorce case when the guy makes the first move. What I am saying is based on ratio.
I fully understand everything you're trying to describe about a girl's psyche, it's just the reasoning behind the psyche I can't fathom! Thanks for trying to clarify things anyway...
I'm in one myself and I'm very happy with the relationship I've got. So, it isn't a personal concern of mine, just a general curiosity about this issue in general. That said, I've certainly never - and will in all probability, never ever - wooed anyone who remains so passive that she expects me to make the first move all the time. Let's put it this way, my partner did her share of "taking the initiative" before we got together and obviously, these are rather commendable qualities I like in a person.Originally posted by rane:May be you have not gone into any relationship, you may be interested in someone and hesitating to approach her or not, or you have been hurt in relationship, so you don't have the chance to enjoy the joy of wooing gals. The best is to talk to guys who have successfully wooed the gals and they are enjoying the fruit of their labour now. They will give you a better picture and advice. -
It is a matter of what one is comfortable with and what one wants. So I can see you like gals to take initiative to make the first move.Originally posted by walesa:I'm in one myself and I'm very happy with the relationship I've got. So, it isn't a personal concern of mine, just a general curiosity about this issue in general. That said, I've certainly never - and will in all probability, never ever - wooed anyone who remains so passive that she expects me to make the first move all the time. Let's put it this way, my partner did her share of "taking the initiative" before we got together and obviously, these are rather commendable qualities I like in a person. -
No, I think you're mistaken.Originally posted by rane:It is a matter of what one is comfortable with and what one wants. So I can see you like gals to take initiative to make the first move. She didn't exactly make the first move, if that's what you're thinking. Putting it simply, it's a relationship where I'd say both of us are equal - we treat each other as such and naturally, we both pull our share of the weight to keep this going too. It was this way before we got together and it still remains that way now...
It's just that, I've little interest in those girls who are too passive(yeah, those who expect a guy to hit on them, ask them out, etc while taking absolutely NO initiative until much later). Remember, if you do not take the initiative to do anything, it's very unlikely others can see much of your character and I certainly can't see myself with a woman who doesn't take the initiative to speak up and take the initiative/lead on various matters for a long-term relationship.
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WE are just going round and round. You gotta understand there are different types of gals and just like there are also different types of guys. So if i am not wrong you prefer gals to be proactive and not very passive. What to say except that people are made up differently. They are who they are because of their character/personality, background, experiences, preferences, level of tolerance . . . . . And not forgetting that most gals are "bei tong de". I am one of them, but I am not passive OK.Originally posted by walesa:No, I think you're mistaken. She didn't exactly make the first move, if that's what you're thinking. Putting it simply, it's a relationship where I'd say both of us are equal - we treat each other as such and naturally, we both pull our share of the weight to keep this going too.
It's just that, I've little interest in those girls who are too passive(yeah, those who expect a guy to hit on them, ask them out, etc while taking absolutely NO initiative until much later). Remember, if you do not take the initiative to do anything, it's very unlikely others can see much of your character and I certainly can't see myself with a woman who doesn't take the initiative to speak up and take the initiative/lead on various matters for a long-term relationship.
Of course, everyone has different preferences and everyone's entitled to what they make of their lives.
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That just addresses your point then...Originally posted by rane:WE are just going round and round. You gotta understand there are different types of gals and just like there are also different types of guys. So if i am not wrong you prefer gals to be proactive and not very passive. What to say except that people are made up differently. They are who they are because of their character/personality, background, experiences, preferences, level of tolerance . . . . . And not forgetting that most gals are "bei tong de". I am one of them, but I am not passive OK. Same here, I prefer people to be proactive be it is a she or a he. Hence, "unless guys wear skirt and give birth lor, then think gals should make the first move" shouldn't hold exhaustively and in all cases... -
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As a man why are u so particular about making the first move? So what if he makes the first move or so what if she makes the first move? So???? Go look in the other thread I mentioned I have no qualms about gals making the move,so what are u driving at now????? Some people love to drink coffee, some love to drink tea, so is there anything so wrong about this????Originally posted by walesa:That just addresses your point then... Hence, "unless guys wear skirt and give birth lor, then think gals should make the first move" shouldn't hold exhaustively and in all cases... -
The point is, gender - for me, at least - shouldn't come into the picture with regard to who makes the first move. Let's continue the discussion on this issue in the other thread...Originally posted by rane:As a man why are u so particular about making the first move? So what if he makes the first move or so what if she makes the first move? So???? Go look in the other thread I mentioned I have no qualms about gals making the move,so what are u driving at now????? Some people love to drink coffee, some love to drink tea, so is there anything so wrong about this???? -
Ok, I've changed my dept already.. Now in the same company as the promoter girl.. But whether anot our counter same anot is a different thing, But what I hope at least.. Is that our counter is opposite each other or even better.. Same
I understand from my interviewer that the employees work 6 days week, I've went down to taka to beo beo on Friday, Sunday, Tuesday and Wednesday and only Tuesday was the day I worked..
So I reckoned that Tuesday might be because we went to 6pm and she already knocked off as they mostly work 8 hour shift
But since Friday, Sunday and Wednesday she's not there.. I very scared she already quitted
Cause my interviewer also told me the situation at taka, Being very competitive, some of the employees have complained and some left, She used BOYs as the term but whether the cute promoter girl left anot is still to be answered
How? I missed my chance, Now i regret
The last time I saw her was Jan 31.. The most unforgettable moment was when she returned my glance 
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Hi there,Originally posted by Agenda:Ok, I've changed my dept already.. Now in the same company as the promoter girl.. But whether anot our counter same anot is a different thing, But what I hope at least.. Is that our counter is opposite each other or even better.. Same
I understand from my interviewer that the employees work 6 days week, I've went down to taka to beo beo on Friday, Sunday, Tuesday and Wednesday and only Tuesday was the day I worked..
So I reckoned that Tuesday might be because we went to 6pm and she already knocked off as they mostly work 8 hour shift
But since Friday, Sunday and Wednesday she's not there.. I very scared she already quitted
Cause my interviewer also told me the situation at taka, Being very competitive, some of the employees have complained and some left, She used BOYs as the term but whether the cute promoter girl left anot is still to be answered
How? I missed my chance, Now i regret
The last time I saw her was Jan 31.. The most unforgettable moment was when she returned my glance
no point brooding over spilt milk.. at least u managed to get a glance, much better than hiding in the shadows & not letting her know your existence.. practice makes perfect.. jiayou -
Agenda, you are really cute!Originally posted by Agenda:Ok, I've changed my dept already.. Now in the same company as the promoter girl.. But whether anot our counter same anot is a different thing, But what I hope at least.. Is that our counter is opposite each other or even better.. Same
I understand from my interviewer that the employees work 6 days week, I've went down to taka to beo beo on Friday, Sunday, Tuesday and Wednesday and only Tuesday was the day I worked..
So I reckoned that Tuesday might be because we went to 6pm and she already knocked off as they mostly work 8 hour shift
But since Friday, Sunday and Wednesday she's not there.. I very scared she already quitted
Cause my interviewer also told me the situation at taka, Being very competitive, some of the employees have complained and some left, She used BOYs as the term but whether the cute promoter girl left anot is still to be answered
How? I missed my chance, Now i regret
The last time I saw her was Jan 31.. The most unforgettable moment was when she returned my glance Glad to know you are sincere, you don't talk only but you are willing to put into action what you say.
I hope she is taking leave and not left taka already. Is there any way for you to ask anyone there about her? But if she really has left, then take this as a lesson. Next time when you see someone you like, don't take too long to decide whether to approach her or not, don't give yourself any chance to regret.
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I wish she was reading this thread, Then I hope she would hint to me that she is still working thereOriginally posted by rane:Agenda, you are really cute! Glad to know you are sincere, you don't talk only but you are willing to put into action what you say.
I hope she is taking leave and not left taka already. Is there any way for you to ask anyone there about her? But if she really has left, then take this as a lesson. Next time when you see someone you like, don't take too long to decide whether to approach her or not, don't give yourself any chance to regret.
Good luck!
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Agenda, even if she does read this thread she doesn't know it's you who posted. Sigh!!! Wait, wait for next week, if still don't see her try ask someone if she has left or may be you could find out from HR Dept. If after CNY holidays she does not appear, then possibility of her not working there anymore is very high!!Originally posted by Agenda:I wish she was reading this thread, Then I hope she would hint to me that she is still working there
But I guess its just daydreaming on my part 
Sigh!!! Whatever, you need to move on! Don't procrastinate to make the move the next time you seee someone you like. Having said this, making a move to someone you are already acquainted is easier than approaching strangers. -
Today was supposed to go down work and I wanted to take a chance see if she's there.. But decided to fake illness, Since its my last day on the job anymore.. Next week onwards, I would be working same company as her but counter same anot, I don'tOriginally posted by rane:Agenda, even if she does read this thread she doesn't know it's you who posted. Sigh!!! Wait, wait for next week, if still don't see her try ask someone if she has left or may be you could find out from HR Dept. If after CNY holidays she does not appear, then possibility of her not working there anymore is very high!!
Sigh!!! Whatever, you need to move on! Don't procrastinate to make the move the next time you seee someone you like. Having said this, making a move to someone you are already acquainted is easier than approaching strangers. -
Going back to Taka after CNY.. Hope can be near or in her counter.. And hope she is there
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wow u, serious ah, still thinking about her!!!! Hee, hee, hee!!Originally posted by Agenda:Going back to Taka after CNY.. Hope can be near or in her counter.. And hope she is there
Wish me luck! 
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I die a happy man
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hello, care to update us and why you said you die a happy man?Originally posted by Agenda:I die a happy man -
I saw her in my dreamsOriginally posted by rane:hello, care to update us and why you said you die a happy man? 
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SEE only!Originally posted by Agenda:I saw her in my dreams
last time i kissed her in my dreams leh.
not ur her la, but my her.