Lonely, Depressed, Suicide
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Originally posted by Life is Precious:
I know that the willingness to learn is the most important thing, but if people are severely depressed and are suicidal would they listen to you? Your audience is not me, it is the suicidal people. The severely depressed kind. I also did not find a god or nirvana. I just got introduced to the workings of the ego.
I am sorry to dissappoint you Cartman, your assumptions are your source of motivation to anger and to agitate others to response to you.
unfortunately in this case, despite of how you may precieve intentions or motivations of others, the attention seeker is you.
Much of my reasons for not responding to your "postings" was due to my own experiences as a violent and angry person not too long ago. No, i did not find god or Nirvana but merely come to my self conclusion that amoung many other factors in life, much of it is simply [b]actions and consequences.
Have i been in depression before? Yes i have. Have i though of ending it all before? since i was Seven years old. Did i need to explain myself? No i didnt.
Why am i writing all these? because i believe it to be worthwhile if not to make a difference.
Life is Precious for many different reasons for many different people as pointed out by many other forumers. There is no win or lose in this disscussion. Either you agree or disagree, your opinion is yours. If you feel you need help and am willing to seek it, start your own thread.
As i mentioned before, it is pointless to teach if one is unwilling to learn just as pills are useless to the sick who refuse to take them. Take what you want away from these words. I can only hope you can realise the importance of your actions impacting the lives around you and that of your own.
Best regards and good night, i am sure tomorrow will be a better day for everyone.
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Win or lose was proposed by someone on your side.
So you cannot give a reason why life is precious, you want people to know what they live for. Simply put you just want people to live through their misery and you don't know why. You just feel that living is good and you force everyone to live. -
I don't need you to tell me.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Some of those articles are good and some are bad. If none is provided for me then I won't be able to tell what the extent in your mind is. -
I dont listen to what others have said? Give me an example of something I ignored.Originally posted by Devil1976:Am I off topic?
You're the one who simply won't listen to what others have to say... PRESUMING that you KNOW BETTER?
YES. I AM A MODERATOR HERE. IF I DON'T SPEAK UP AGAINST YOUR NONSENSE HERE, WHO WOULD?
However, I suppose you're also trying to make some points and stands of your own here. And I have to agree that you do hold for some of your points. i.e. those I agreed with above.
As for DEMANDING that people ENTERTAIN ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. I would suggest you go SEEK the ANSWERS for yourself.. KNOW EXACTLY where you're standing and what you're speaking up for before you come and make a din.
We're not obligated to SPOON-FEED each and everyone of the forumites here with all the KNOWLEDGES they ASK FOR. You suppose we have ALL THE TIME in this world? BE LOGICAL. We don't have all the time in this world doesn't mean we don't have our stands and points to make. It simply means we have BETTER THINGS TO DO than to hold ENDLESS DEBATES with you....
I'm glad that you acknowledge that I'm right.
Demand is too strong a word. If he doesn't want to answer my questions, what can I do to him? I can't do anything. If what I said doesn't make sense, he shouldn't be affected at all. It is clear now that the 2 of you are disturbed by my "malicious lies ". You are also demanding that I shut up.
Do you not even have the time to answer the whole crux of the matter, "why is life precious? " That is the only question I asked and youy couldn't answer. And the whole point of the TS depends on that. Endless debates? I entertain endless debates only because people don't make sense and don't want to cooperate. -
Then shut up.Originally posted by Devil1976:I don't need you to tell me. -
Agree. In fact it's quite very Singaporean to stand with the crowd and away from the lone guy. However, I certainly don't think that's really the case here? Though I won't deny that there's a chance I could be wrong about this?
You are wrong with your question mark useage.
What MCSquare spoke up for, I too sort of agreed with. Though I can't be exactly sure what's his stand for now. I disagree that MCSquare didn't wanna offend too many people. In fact if you know him well enough, he's really someone who ain't really afraid to offend people. It's just more like his habit of coming and going from time to time...?
Alright, so he is a grass on the wall. It is however a fact that he agrees that simple words like that do not help at all.
My point is that there's no point to be so critical as to poke the TS with a needle here. It's not as if he's saying this is a SOLUTION for the DEPRESSED... It's really more like a form of MOTIVATION...?
That motivation he is trying to make works good on mildly depressed people, but does harm to majorly depressed ones. As said before countless times, These people would have already factored in normal things like those. Repeating the same bloody thing they been listening to for more than 10+ years just makes them feel that they are right to suicide, because theyt have already factored them in before this. -
Partial agree. With LIMITED RESOURCES, there's only this much we can do.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:YOU and the HELPLINES look at case by case if you are worth your salt. As explained by many people, general advise like that is already well known by everyone. They still got depressed. And they want to die. If you give them the same crap they hear everyday (and you even cannot answer a counterquestion which is the center of your "encouragement ") it is just proving them that their track of thinking is correct, because they already factored it in.
But don't get me wrong. Just because we're LIMITED and 'handicapped' doesn't mean we deserves to be POKED AT. One thing which I agree with TS. With us doing something is always better than doing nothing at all.
With your arguement.. I don't think it's purely a 'counterquestion' thing.. In fact you're biting your own tail now... How many DEPRESSED and SUICIDAL people can REALLY THINK that CLEARLY? More of having people around to listen to them and SUPPORT them.... Note that what we're talking about here is VERY DIFFERENT from what you've started off with. The nature of the TS's thread and post. Before you go further, I hope you don't just go around blindly trying to bite people's tails for the SAKE of doing that ITSELF... It's TOTALLY MEANINGLESS and UNHEALTHY in here.
Coming back... If they're really suicidal and wanna die... Without them reading this 'crap' or any other 'craps' widely available on the net... They could have easily be moved to that end already... I find it PLAIN HARD-SELL arguement to say that the TS's thread is actually one with 'murderous intention'....
It's like saying someone who is SUICIDAL because his mum is knocked down by a van FULL of ORANGES... One day he strolled on the streets and saw a man selling ORANGES, thought of his mum and killed himself. So the man was at fault and responisble for the victim's death because he was selling ORANGES...?? No? -
On what grounds? Did I say method used and end result are secondary?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Based on your defence for LiP. You blatantly said that intentions are more important. The method used and the end result is secondary.
BTW the caps make you look stupid.
I'm comparing TS's intention with YOURS.
He comes with a MINDSET to HELP and GUIDE. YOU?
Try to see who would really AGREE with YOUR INTENTION NOW...?
You're just here to ARGUE for the SAKE of ARGUE. Sorry, the last thing we're short of here would be ARGUEMENTS...
Caps make me look stupid? Is that a personal attack?
Do you seriously think I would bother myself with a low life like yourself just out to get kicks from contributing your nonsense and asking people to END their lives?
I certainly won't mind looking stupid.. Especially when I'm standing beside someone like you who simply couldn't look any better than me...
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Partial agree. With LIMITED RESOURCES, there's only this much we can do.
But don't get me wrong. Just because we're LIMITED and 'handicapped' doesn't mean we deserves to be POKED AT. One thing which I agree with TS. With us doing something is always better than doing nothing at all.
If you are gonna be doing something, make sure you do it good. Trying or stretching too hard can make you look fake and unreliable. If you know you are gonna suck, dont do it and sabo people.
With your arguement.. I don't think it's purely a 'counterquestion' thing.. In fact you're biting your own tail now... How many DEPRESSED and SUICIDAL people can REALLY THINK that CLEARLY? More of having people around to listen to them and SUPPORT them.... Note that what we're talking about here is VERY DIFFERENT from what you've started off with. The nature of the TS's thread and post. Before you go further, I hope you don't just go around blindly trying to bite people's tails for the SAKE of doing that ITSELF... It's TOTALLY MEANINGLESS and UNHEALTHY in here.
Think that clearly? This whole thing is about suicide. People suicide because they find living to be more torturous than living. If you can't help them with their real life problems, you should at least be able to help them by giving them a reason to live if you wanna talk. But the TS doesn't know why he wants people to live.
Coming back... If they're really suicidal and wanna die... Without them reading this 'crap' or any other 'craps' widely available on the net... They could have easily be moved to that end already... I find it PLAIN HARD-SELL arguement to say that the TS's thread is actually one with 'murderous intention'....
I did not say that his thread was started with murderous intention. I said that he is wrong. Please do not put words into my mouth.
For each article we would have to read them before we give our comments. However, there is one article right here in front of us and so we mikght as well look at it and talk about it.
It's like saying someone who is SUICIDAL because his mum is knocked down by a van FULL of ORANGES... One day he strolled on the streets and saw a man selling ORANGES, thought of his mum and killed himself. So the man was at fault and responisble for the victim's death because he was selling ORANGES...?? No?
This example of yours is totally wrong. We can tell from here that you do not know what you are arguing for. -
We're NOT OBLIGATED to 'COOPERATE' with you. So what do you think you are now? A police officer arresting us?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I dont listen to what others have said? Give me an example of something I ignored.
I'm glad that you acknowledge that I'm right.
Demand is too strong a word. If he doesn't want to answer my questions, what can I do to him? I can't do anything. If what I said doesn't make sense, he shouldn't be affected at all. It is clear now that the 2 of you are disturbed by my "malicious lies ". You are also demanding that I shut up.
Do you not even have the time to answer the whole crux of the matter, "why is life precious? " That is the only question I asked and youy couldn't answer. And the whole point of the TS depends on that. Endless debates? I entertain endless debates only because people don't make sense and don't want to cooperate.
I've ALREADY ANSWERED your 'why is life precious?' question. GO SEARCH and READ. This is AT LEAST ONE of the MANY THINGS you've MISSED. Quit barking if you can't even figure what you're seriously thinking. Like I've said, I'm NO SLAVE of YOURS and I'm NOT OBLIGATED to 'COOPERATE' with you NOR to CARRY OUT YOUR CHORES for YOU... You're the ONE MAKING THE SILLY MISTAKES... DON'T BLAME ANYONE ELSE for YOUR OWN STUPIDITY...
We are DISTURBED NOT because you're MAKING SENSE... BECAUSE you're NOT but only out with the INTENTION to MISLEAD and ASK PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES...
NOW TELL ME. EXACTLY WHICH PART OF ASKING PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES DO YOU FIND IT AMUSINGLY FUNNY?
I HAVE THERE'RE LAWS OUT TO GET PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN THE FUTURE. -
You're BORING ME... Is this the BEST you can DO?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:Then shut up.
I BET you're a 15 years old just whining behind your PC right now...?
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I certainly won't even put the blame on him if a very clinically depressed patient come across what he has posted and so decided to commit suicide like what inappropriateness you have suggestedOriginally posted by Devil1976:On what grounds? Did I say method used and end result are secondary?
I'm comparing TS's intention with YOURS.
He comes with a MINDSET to HELP and GUIDE. YOU?
Try to see who would really AGREE with YOUR INTENTION NOW...?
You're just here to ARGUE for the SAKE of ARGUE. Sorry, the last thing we're short of here would be ARGUEMENTS...
Caps make me look stupid? Is that a personal attack?
Do you seriously think I would bother myself with a low life like yourself just out to get kicks from contributing your nonsense and asking people to END their lives?
I certainly won't mind looking stupid.. Especially when I'm standing beside someone like you who simply couldn't look any better than me...
This shows that you value intention more than results.
If someone is doing something wrong, we tell him he is wrong. As someone has already said, what the TS is doing might very well taunt the suicidal person to suicide.
Me asking people to end their lives is in another thread. Why not talk about it over there? -
And you're reading...?Originally posted by Eric Cartman:That motivation he is trying to make works good on mildly depressed people, but does harm to majorly depressed ones. As said before countless times, These people would have already factored in normal things like those. Repeating the same bloody thing they been listening to for more than 10+ years just makes them feel that they are right to suicide, because theyt have already factored them in before this.
Like I've said, there're NO POINT to find a NEEDLE here...
And MAY I REMIND YOU... IF you DISAGREE with what the TS has CONTRIBUTED... DO BETTER YOURSELF... -
I can only do as much as what you can correspond. You talked about other articles. There are different extents of things in different articles. You want to compare them. Then you expect me to find an article for you.Originally posted by Devil1976:You're BORING ME... Is this the BEST you can DO?
I BET you're a 15 years old just whining behind your PC right now...?
The fact is that different extents give different results. Each article has its own extents. Each article that we come across, we look at them on the spot. Not be hyper all of a sudden and dig out all the articles of this kind on the internet.
You start off with something boring, I just reflect it back to you. -
Originally posted by Eric Cartman:
REALLY? Let OTHERS be THE JUDGES THEN..?
If you are gonna be doing something, make sure you do it good. Trying or stretching too hard can make you look fake and unreliable. If you know you are gonna suck, dont do it and sabo people.
BULLSH|T. Saving one soul is one soul... Saving 2 is 2... Just simply because you CAN'T save the WHOLE WORLD doesn't mean you DO NOTHING about it.. We have NO INTENTION of SABOTAGING PEOPLE. ASK YOUR OWN INTENTION. Like I've said and REPEATED AGAIN. TALK is CHEAP. SHOW ME WHAT YOU CAN DO.
We're no PROFESSIONALS and NEED to live our own LIVES and WORK our OWN JOB to FEED OURSELVES. Otherwise we would just be ones adding to the LIST of people who NEEDS HELP...
But that DOESN'T mean we CAN'T HELP.
By the way, Mr Eric. I already know WHO YOU ARE. HELLO.
Think that clearly? This whole thing is about suicide. People suicide because they find living to be more torturous than living. If you can't help them with their real life problems, you should at least be able to help them by giving them a reason to live if you wanna talk. But the TS doesn't know why he wants people to live.
So what? Even PROFESSIONALS sometimes can't nail it on the spot... If you can't swim, do you think there'll be better chance of saving someone who's drowning by TRYING ALL MEANS... Or BETTER if you simply tell yourself.. Sorry, I'm not trained for this?
I did not say that his thread was started with murderous intention. I said that he is wrong. Please do not put words into my mouth.
DEFINE 'WRONG'.
For each article we would have to read them before we give our comments. However, there is one article right here in front of us and so we mikght as well look at it and talk about it.
How CONVENIENT to just POINT A FINGER AT OTHERS?
How about YOUR COMMENTS to ASK OTHERS to END THEIR LIVES when they're having PROBLEMS...? MAYBE WE SHOULD DISCUSS THAT AS WELL?
And JUST EXACTLY WHAT RIGHTS DOES SOMEONE LIKE YOU WHO ASK OTHERS TO KILL THEMSELVES HAVE to 'COMMENT on OTHERS' INTENTIONS and CONTRIBUTIONS'...??
[bThis example of yours is totally wrong. We can tell from here that you do not know what you are arguing for.[/b] -
I don't talk about it because I don't wanna FLOOD OTHERS' threads with YOUR NONSENSE...Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I certainly won't even put the blame on him if a very clinically depressed patient come across what he has posted and so decided to commit suicide like what inappropriateness you have suggested
This shows that you value intention more than results.
If someone is doing something wrong, we tell him he is wrong. As someone has already said, what the TS is doing might very well taunt the suicidal person to suicide.
Me asking people to end their lives is in another thread. Why not talk about it over there?
I'm DONE WITH YOU. LET THE OTHERS BE THE JUDGES. -
DONE.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:I can only do as much as what you can correspond. You talked about other articles. There are different extents of things in different articles. You want to compare them. Then you expect me to find an article for you.
The fact is that different extents give different results. Each article has its own extents. Each article that we come across, we look at them on the spot. Not be hyper all of a sudden and dig out all the articles of this kind on the internet.
You start off with something boring, I just reflect it back to you. -
BULLSH|T. Saving one soul is one soul... Saving 2 is 2... Just simply because you CAN'T save the WHOLE WORLD doesn't mean you DO NOTHING about it.. We have NO INTENTION of SABOTAGING PEOPLE. ASK YOUR OWN INTENTION. Like I've said and REPEATED AGAIN. TALK is CHEAP. SHOW ME WHAT YOU CAN DO.
You can save 1 soul and destroy 2 in the process.
We're no PROFESSIONALS and NEED to live our own LIVES and WORK our OWN JOB to FEED OURSELVES. Otherwise we would just be ones adding to the LIST of people who NEEDS HELP...
But that DOESN'T mean we CAN'T HELP.
By the way, Mr Eric. I already know WHO YOU ARE. HELLO.
Do you not see here that you place intention above all else?
Yeah you can help, but if you're doing it wrong I'm gonna have to point it out.
I know I can't help, so I shut up. If I wanted to help without being perfect, I can.
I have already expected people to know who I am long ago (2 or 3 years back). Doesn't matter at all. -
So what? Even PROFESSIONALS sometimes can't nail it on the spot... If you can't swim, do you think there'll be better chance of saving someone who's drowning by TRYING ALL MEANS... Or BETTER if you simply tell yourself.. Sorry, I'm not trained for this?
You throw a float at him, not start telling him the basics of swimming. -
DEFINE 'WRONG'.
People who want to commit suicide are not moved by just words, especially just plainly "life is precious " with no answer following up when questioned. -
How CONVENIENT to just POINT A FINGER AT OTHERS?
Yup, we should.
How about YOUR COMMENTS to ASK OTHERS to END THEIR LIVES when they're having PROBLEMS...? MAYBE WE SHOULD DISCUSS THAT AS WELL?
And JUST EXACTLY WHAT RIGHTS DOES SOMEONE LIKE YOU WHO ASK OTHERS TO KILL THEMSELVES HAVE to 'COMMENT on OTHERS' INTENTIONS and CONTRIBUTIONS'...?? -
Then it's just too bad that you can't do a thing about it now. You chose to blow your chance.Originally posted by Devil1976:I don't talk about it because I don't wanna FLOOD OTHERS' threads with YOUR NONSENSE...
I'm DONE WITH YOU. LET THE OTHERS BE THE JUDGES. -
And neither am I obligated to do as you expect.Originally posted by Devil1976:We're NOT OBLIGATED to 'COOPERATE' with you. So what do you think you are now? A police officer arresting us? -
Lemme state that there is nothing for me to fight about because i do not disagree with Threadstarter.
In fact, these personal messages should be posted at times, so to encourage those who are feeling down - but not amounting to serious depression or suicidal intent.
Suicidal thought and intent is different.
In everything, there are two(sometimes more) ways to look at it.
The 'right' way may not be the best way or solution afterall. -
What is the huge fuss about?
Apparently,Eric is a very cynical person
A jaded view,so be it,it may be so,so what?
The TS is just trying to help,he is not spreading cult messages or something detrimental to society
Why do you have to assume that someone going to commit suicide soon is going to read this? Why,you pessimistic person?
Cant we think that someone who is contemplating that suicide looks like a good way out of his troubles and dilemmas?
A sort of deterence would be set,words would help to set him straight and clear up his muddled mind
Give him a break
This is Aunt Agony,not "Debate Grounds",main focus is trying to help people
Dont like it?
Well,dont let the door hit you on the way out
Thank you
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Like I've said, I'm done entertaining you. If you insist on your stand, STICK TO IT.Originally posted by Eric Cartman:You can save 1 soul and destroy 2 in the process.
Do you not see here that you place intention above all else?
Yeah you can help, but if you're doing it wrong I'm gonna have to point it out.
I know I can't help, so I shut up. If I wanted to help without being perfect, I can.
I have already expected people to know who I am long ago (2 or 3 years back). Doesn't matter at all.
I do not have to convince you.