Good Parenting Skills-Eastern/Western
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hey andrew:
the topic is: Good Parenting Skills - Eastern/Western.... so are we still talking about good parenting skills between the east and the west hah?
or...
is the working title wrong hah?
andrew, you cannot delete this thread hor... not like "crap utopia" the last time hor.... wrong title, delete thread - rather embarrasing won't you say?
or are we talking about the need to refer to experts as a starting point hah?
because your opening post not very clear hor....
but but but... if the issue is: Parents should refer to experts when raising children, then the issue is settled, the answer is yes.
so maybe you can decide what the issue is now, bearing in mind that the title is about parenting skills of the eastern and the western folks....
.... next time hor, start topic, please be very clear hor.... not many of us are as intelligent as you are hor... and cannot read between the lines.
.... but hor.... even Primary school students are taught to write according to the topic and as far as I can tell, out-of-topic essays sure kenna left right center one, not to mention - fail! -
You are asking this question after we have completed THREE full pages? We are into the 4th page and people that contributed had no problems identifying what this thread is about... except you.Originally posted by Chin Eng:hey andrew:
the topic is: Good Parenting Skills - Eastern/Western.... so are we still talking about good parenting skills between the east and the west hah?
or...
is the working title wrong hah?
andrew, you cannot delete this thread hor... not like "crap utopia" the last time hor.... wrong title, delete thread - rather embarrasing won't you say?
or are we talking about the need to refer to experts as a starting point hah?
because your opening post not very clear hor....
You are not clear what this thread is about and yet you made so many posts in the last THREE pages. Are your posts in the last THREE pages made while you were in a delusion as to what the thread is all about? -
I propose that we should GET BACK TO TOPIC:
.... so.... can any share on what are GOOD PARENTING SKILLS
Eastern????
and
Western????
My personal opinion:
Eastern - promotes family cohesiveness, emphasize on family unity, filial piety etc
Western - promotes independence, individual rights, earlier empty nest syndrome.
.... of course, TS reserve the right to say that this is not what he wants to talk about....
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Sorry I just saw your post... I think the MODS should speak out against offensive posts so that there is some sort of justice... in AAOriginally posted by popikachu:Andrew, Chin Eng.
I guess you guys should stop replying to each other...
This is the last warning or the thread will be close.
And again, if someone were to post something again, DUN REPLY ANYTHING THAT MAY SEEM OFFENCING.
I don't wish to close thread.
Thread are for discussing, not qurreling... -
just to add... otherwise people can just keep on posting offensive material if they want threads closed.
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no lah, i followed your lead mah.... you ask question in the first post, and i faithfully answered, it was only until much later than you decided that the real emphasis is on the reference to expert opinions.... you see, true to your style, you switch the goal post... like all your other threads.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:You are asking this question after we have completed THREE full pages? We are into the 4th page and people that contributed had no problems identifying what this thread is about... except you.
You are not clear what this thread is about and yet you made so many posts in the last THREE pages. Are your posts in the last THREE pages made while you were in a delusion as to what the thread is all about?
i mean, if i had followed you wrongly, you must tell mah.... end of the day, the onus of discussion is on you mah....
yeah, i am delusional about what this thread is all about.... care to clear my thoughts a little..... p l e a s e...... -
if I have been offensive, pray tell where......Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:just to add... otherwise people can just keep on posting offensive material if they want threads closed.
when i am confused, i asked for clarification,
just go through the 4 pages and show me where i had used an offensive term on you. emphasis in case you conveniently miss this point.
the one and only one that had used offensive term is you - anyone disagreeing with you is inevitably labelled as "delusional"
very simple what, like the other thread, i asked you where i had offended and insulted you, but you are not able to do so..... the opposite however is true.... almost without fail you'd used "belief and delusional" on anyone disagreeing with you. -
The topic title states a controversy... an excuse, if you like... for people not to follow expert advice.Originally posted by Chin Eng:no lah, i followed your lead mah.... you ask question in the first post, and i faithfully answered, it was only until much later than you decided that the real emphasis is on the reference to expert opinions....
i mean, if i had followed you wrongly, you must tell mah.... end of the day, the onus of discussion is on you mah....
yeah, i am delusional about what this thread is all about.... care to clear my thoughts a little..... p l e a s e......
So you think that the experts "promotes independence, individual rights, earlier empty nest syndrome....." ???? To use your own wordsOriginally posted by Chin Eng:SUBSTANTIATE YOU CLAIMS can't even do that right?
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what controversy? pray tell. please point out where in the title and the first thread is the controversy stated.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:The topic title states a controversy... an excuse, if you like... for people not to follow expert advice.
you know, primary school kids are taught to write clearly. the higher your education the more lucid are you expected in your delivery of ideas.
I am giving an opinion, isn't that what you were asking in post 1? My reply on eastern/western parenting skill is based on the title and post 1.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:So you think that the experts "promotes independence, individual rights, earlier empty nest syndrome....." ???? To use your own words
If you are looking for expert analysis you wouldn't do it in sgforums, would you?
on the other hand, your claims that "some people" in this thread is putting down the experts can be substantiated because the prove should be in the 4 pages. So where are they? -
Np problem with you giving your opinions... only please to use your own words...Originally posted by Chin Eng:I am giving an opinion, isn't that what you were asking in post 1? If you are looking for expert analysis you wouldn't do it in sgforums, would you?Originally posted by Chin Eng:
SUBSTANTIATE YOU CLAIMS can't even do that right? -
give opinion in your thread, need prove,Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:No problem with you giving your opinions... only please to use your own words...
but you make accusations don't need hah? you show me your prove and I'll show you mine -
I would also like to inform you that I wish to stick with the topic and will ignore all other parts of your posts not related to the topic, as advice by the MOD and suggest that you do the same. So please substantiate your claims with regards to expert opinions.
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shifting the goal post again....Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I would also like to inform you that I wish to stick with the topic and will ignore all other parts of your posts not related to the topic, as advice by the MOD and suggest that you do the same. So please substantiate your claims with regards to expert opinions.
so what is it we are talking about again????
eastern/western or need to seek expert opinions.... in case I get it wrong again.
need to log off now, so you don't need to reply so soon....
have a good night.
shifting the goal post -
Please see: 09 July 2007 · 07:45 PM on this page.
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The issue is very simple. Let's not think in terms of eastern or western parenting styles and parents please do not base your parenting styles on what you imagined are eastern or western parenting styles based on beliefs and delusions in your head. Instead, have a yardstick (read what the experts say), and measure your beliefs about good parenting against what the experts say.
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Good that i can see both of you already tried to take a step back...
But thats is not enuf wor! -
my bad, no need to log off....Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:The issue is very simple. Let's not think in terms of eastern or western parenting styles and parents please do not base your parenting styles on what you imagined are eastern or western parenting styles based on beliefs and delusions in your head. Instead, have a yardstick (read what the experts say), and measure your beliefs about good parenting against what the experts say.
ok, let me clarify again.....
you just said: don't think in terms of eastern or western parenting style.....
that is in violation of the topic.... so it means that any further discussion will be going out of topic.... hmm, very "interesting" way to start a thread.
you know what.... i'd rather you stop using the word delusion because any other idea not seen to be from experts is concluded to be delusional, hence a exception clause is now added to the "discussion" - a really unrealistic premise to go anywhere.... because apparently, now hard evidence is required, not to mention that is really offensive to anyone even remotely wanting to share their personal take.
yardsticks? who are the experts? child care writers? my grandparents who'd raised tons of kids, all of them doing well? doctors? psychologists? who?
since the new premise for discussion is not suppose to center on eastern or western, i assume i no longer have to provide any evidence on my earlier opinion on western style parenting....
.... and that this new post by you mentions nothing about the so called controversy.....
.... so having said all that, perhaps you can start the ball rolling and give us a sampling as how you want this thread to flow..... afterall apparently you are the only sane one here. -
The 7:45 post:
The 8:06 post:Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:The topic title states a controversy... an excuse, if you like... for people not to follow expert advice.
Topic heading:Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:The issue is very simple. Let's not think in terms of eastern or western parenting styles and parents please do not base your parenting styles on what you imagined are eastern or western parenting styles based on beliefs and delusions in your head. Instead, have a yardstick (read what the experts say), and measure your beliefs about good parenting against what the experts say.
Good Parenting Skills - Eastern/Western
....all quite different hor....??? after 4 pages.... things are ahem... really shifting all over the place.
to me the title is NOT a controversy, but a contrast, but that's my humble opinion, and i sincerely hope that i don't need to justify this statement. -
I really don't know which lines of my post are even suggestive of advising parents not pick up good parenting techniques.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I hope this post is not suggesting that parents do not pick up good parenting techniques from reliable sources.
To clarify my post - I wish to emphasize that EXECUTION of techniques is far more complex than simply understanding the theory.
Regardless of difficulty, parents should not 'copy' techniques from experts WHOLESALE without first understanding themselves, their children and their environment.
Inconsistent execution of parenting techniques can result in confusion for the child and may cause more damage than parents who know NO expert theory and only possess a big dose of common sense and love.
It is not to undermine expert opinions on childhood education, or to suggest that parents should not constantly learn and improve. -
when i have kids, i'll spend lotsa lotsa time with em!
and i hope em to make their own decisions from young!
and and!
ill tell em!
not to follow the bad examples of squabbling parents above.
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I agree, parents must always remember that all the techniques given by the experts are just basic guidelines on how its done.Originally posted by ShrodingersCat:I really don't know which lines of my post are even suggestive of advising parents not pick up good parenting techniques.
To clarify my post - I wish to emphasize that EXECUTION of techniques is far more complex than simply understanding the theory.
Regardless of difficulty, parents should not 'copy' techniques from experts WHOLESALE without first understanding themselves, their children and their environment.
Inconsistent execution of parenting techniques can result in confusion for the child and may cause more damage than parents who know NO expert theory and only possess a big dose of common sense and love.
It is not to undermine expert opinions on childhood education, or to suggest that parents should not constantly learn and improve.
They should always first make an effort to understand their own children as every individual are different and its only after they really understand their child then can the techniques be useful and not just follow everything blindly
The techniques that they use might not be suitable for their child without the proper understanding of their child that in my opinion might confused the child or worst caused emotional damage. -
If you don't understand and don't get it, just say "I don't understand and I don't get it"Originally posted by Chin Eng:The 7:45 post:
Topic heading:
Good Parenting Skills - Eastern/Western
....all quite different hor....??? after 4 pages.... things are ahem... really shifting all over the place.
to me the title is NOT a controversy, but a contrast, but that's my humble opinion, and i sincerely hope that i don't need to justify this statement.
No one has no problems understanding that this thread is about "parenting skills and techniques" except you... or are you trying to sound smart (immature), taking revenge for your disgrace in the other threads (immature), or trying to put me down to make yourself look smart (immature) by focus on the Topic Title instead of the topic itself.
Learn to read the title and the opening post instead of picking up a line out of context and start attacking others. That is really immature behavior. -
This sentence in your original postOriginally posted by ShrodingersCat:I really don't know which lines of my post are even suggestive of advising parents not pick up good parenting techniques.
To clarify my post - I wish to emphasize that EXECUTION of techniques is far more complex than simply understanding the theory.
Regardless of difficulty, parents should not 'copy' techniques from experts WHOLESALE without first understanding themselves, their children and their environment.
Inconsistent execution of parenting techniques can result in confusion for the child and may cause more damage than parents who know NO expert theory and only possess a big dose of common sense and love.
It is not to undermine expert opinions on childhood education, or to suggest that parents should not constantly learn and improve.
"Without love and time, theoretical knowledge becomes a useless crutch with nothing to stand on."
was rather disturbing to me. I was afraid that the readers read it as "theoretical knowledge ARE useless crutch with nothing to stand on."
It was just a gentle reminder and it is good that you have come in to clarify. -
Originally posted by Ito_^:when i have kids, i'll spend lotsa lotsa time with em!
and i hope em to make their own decisions from young!
and and!
ill tell em!
not to follow the bad examples of squabbling parents above. Please add... "learn what the experst say about child rearing". -
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