Is there really a god at all?
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yeah, we're all social creatures. we all need a group of people we can trust and relate to, have fun with, talk to etc.
even my church I also don't feel like i belong. there's always this barrier, u know? in the end, will feel left out, alone, abandoned etc. quite sian wan la. -
agree with you. like your advice you gave him. the problem is in church he did not meet people like you. church people you know are mostly hypocrites.Originally posted by Ionlytalknoaction:I don't think that can help at all.
He will be labelled as incompetent when admited to the hospital instead of getting help.
That means more people will bully him.
What he needs is a social circle of good friends who loves him.
My advice is more than sufficient.
Go to a new environment where u got friends who likes you and people kind to you. It can more than cure him.
The bullying today is what caused him today. Instead of blaming the bullies, we blame him.
No more garbage advices please.
Thank You
there is nothing wrong with him mentally at all , don't know why that forumer ask him to go mental hospital. INstead of helping he can possibly be making matter worse. -
Church can be the place where people hurt you the most. Hope TS will get out of his situation soon. Sad, church is supposed to be a place, a spiritual home for christians, but many times it is the worst place. No warmth, no love!!Originally posted by dumbdumb!:yeah, we're all social creatures. we all need a group of people we can trust and relate to, have fun with, talk to etc.
even my church I also don't feel like i belong. there's always this barrier, u know? in the end, will feel left out, alone, abandoned etc. quite sian wan la. -
then again, not everyone is like that. sometimes ur expectation of christians higher than others. like if a normal person treat u in a certain way, you can take it, but if a christian does it, it hurts so much, cuz ur expectation was not met, and u were disappointed.
my lesson learnt here is: flesh is flesh, no matter how its packaged. and flesh will always disappoint or hurt us. we also hurt and disappoint others, even if we didn't know it.
people hurt us, not because they want to (except xiaxue), but because they're human.
and while i'm saying this, i'm going through a very painful period myself. so yeah..
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hey, pastor ever explain why - in general, people hold high regard of christians. If they behave as caring people as are expected of them from God and the people then people will not have that sort of expectations. Problem is there are far too many christians who love pointing fingers and judging people when things go wrong without looking at themselves. Many many, it is 9 out of 10 are like that as compared to people from other religions. Me together with many many others I know of - we have more pleasant encounters with people from other religions. Christians if they want to win souls, they havve better do something to improve themselves rather than point fingers and judging people.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:then again, not everyone is like that. sometimes ur expectation of christians higher than others. like if a normal person treat u in a certain way, you can take it, but if a christian does it, it hurts so much, cuz ur expectation was not met, and u were disappointed.
my lesson learnt here is: flesh is flesh, no matter how its packaged. and flesh will always disappoint or hurt us. we also hurt and disappoint others, even if we didn't know it.
people hurt us, not because they want to (except xiaxue), but because they're human.
and while i'm saying this, i'm going through a very painful period myself. so yeah.. -
ok i nv read the whole thread....
sorry if i offended anyone later on.
this is wat,
i got a bad diarrhoea nowadays.....
then i got loose bowels.....
today when i going back to home....
.... my loose bowels is coming again, i was waiting for bus, so i have to bear with it.
the bus wait was long, i think if this carries on, i am gonna shiit like the nigeria river flooding. maybe because i am a person whose primary school is a catholic school, i pray to god in my heart when i am in my lowest point of life or in problem..... although i dont believe in god..... i said, " if there is really god, prove me, make my bus come after the wait." straight away i prayed, the bus came.
i tot it was just coincidence,
then in the bus, i feel my pain on my tummy, it was totally unbearable, i said again, " if there really really is a god, let the pain gone and make my bus journey easier and lighter." immediately, i farted, the pain was gone, then followed by music that came out of no where ( on one was using handphone or mp3 on the bus) , i was scared, really there is god?
there are many more coincidence or so called god's blessing on the way home.
just too many to be mentioned.
i am like u, i dont believe in god or anything to do with religion as my whole family dont believe and i, according to my logic i think there is no god. but i think it is better to respect the god than to believe or not.
as for the friend part.
some friends are like treating like dirt or just spoilt brat that dont treat friend well. i experienced it before. wat i do was, look for more and more friends.
but after many many months, or even a few years, i still cant find my so called true friend, in fact i have been finding one for like 8 yrs.
some ppl say that true friend just come naturally and u dont go to looks for true friend as they wont be true if u look for them, but i deny it as me myself is an example.
today i got tummy pain mah, obviously my face would show the pain as well.
my friends then show me lots of concern after i reach home and log on in to msn.
and only today, i then realise that i have so many friend that concern about me. in fact, the one who i had been with most of the time is no good friend. and i am utterly dissapointed :'(
my opinion :
last time in this forums, i found a thread and the topic is : " fun or honest friend"
many ppl chose fun, only one or two chose honest.
i chose honest.
here is my reason for my ans:
a fun friend can entertain u well, but u cant tell all ur trouble to him or her. even if u tell, u must change the story a little, not only u TS, i also got experienced like this b4,
but an honest friend can be a listening ear when ur in need, and an honest friend can be very humorous, too. sometimes, confiding ur troubles to an honest friend can be very fun too.
so in my perspective, honest friend can let u have fun while lets u confide ur troubles to in the mean time.
the above is just my opinion and just a little tip to making friends.
might not be right, might not be wrong.
have ur own thoughts. live life in a happy way.
Good luck
Cheers
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Asperger Syndrome or (Asperger's Disorder) is a neurobiological disorder named for a Viennese physician, Hans Asperger, who in 1944 published a paper which described a pattern of behaviors in several young boys who had normal intelligence and language development, but who also exhibited autistic-like behaviors and marked deficiencies in social and communication skills.
If you are trying to "talk" TS into "normality" you are just simply. I believe wasting your time. You have no idea what AS people re like.
Persons with AS show marked deficiencies in social skills, have difficulties with transitions or changes and prefer sameness. They often have obsessive routines and may be preoccupied with a particular subject of interest. They have a great deal of difficulty reading nonverbal cues (body language) and very often the individual with AS has difficulty determining proper body space. Often overly sensitive to sounds, tastes, smells, and sights, the person with AS may prefer soft clothing, certain foods, and be bothered by sounds or lights no one else seems to hear or see. It's important to remember that the person with AS perceives the world very differently. Therefore, many behaviors that seem odd or unusual are due to those neurological differences and not the result of intentional rudeness or bad behavior, and most certainly not the result of "improper parenting". -
except talibans, apparently,Originally posted by qlqq9:hey, pastor ever explain why - in general, people hold high regard of christians. If they behave as caring people as are expected of them from God and the people then people will not have that sort of expectations. Problem is there are far too many christians who love pointing fingers and judging people when things go wrong without looking at themselves. Many many, it is 9 out of 10 are like that as compared to people from other religions. Me together with many many others I know of - we have more pleasant encounters with people from other religions. Christians if they want to win souls, they havve better do something to improve themselves rather than point fingers and judging people.
aiya, although i'm a christian, but i do have problems with my own brothers and sisters, my leader was trying to drive in a point once and in frustration he told me Jesus Christ wanted to crucify me on the cross. imagine how hurt i was?[/code] -
what sort of leader is he, and what church are you attending? hope it is not a cult church. leave the church lah, so unhappy!! MY experiences from church members were no better too. and it is not a matter of only a handful of them but there were around 8 out of 10 (ratio) who were really yucks!!! I had been mistreated, abused, betrayed, accused, mistaken for, and so on. they have problems I prayed and helped them, when I had problems they gave me the treatment - you die your business, even I asked for them to pray for me they said pray yourself. The church is rather shallow, too! pastors preach sermons take precaution not to offend the people, fear the people instead of speaking the truth, i shake my head!!!! Members fighting for power! Members shouted at each other during meeting! sounds like those taiwanese politicians quarrelling !Originally posted by dumbdumb!:except talibans, apparently,
aiya, although i'm a christian, but i do have problems with my own brothers and sisters, my leader was trying to drive in a point once and in frustration he told me Jesus Christ wanted to crucify me on the cross. imagine how hurt i was?[/code]
Do consider whether to leave the church and try other church or think about what you want and is christianity really for you!!
As for me, after all these happening, i struggled for 7 to 8 years contemplating to leave the church and christianity. Now I am finally free! Thank goodness!
Good luck!
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After reading the first post, I can see that threadstarter is suffering from some internally problems rather than external problems.
Since the problems came internally, you can only solve it internally by yourself. The rest of us here are just here to give you some advices on how to do it.
1. Learn to trust people.
Learn to understand why people lie, understand why people don't lie. If you can analyse these two points, it is quite easy to sense/check whether people are honest to you or not. In this case, I don't see any reason why a pastor/counsellor will want to cheat/lie to a teenager, thus there shouldn't be any integrity issue around.
2. Learn to understand yourself better.
The more you understand about yourself, the more you will appreciate yourself, the more you will love yourself and the people around you. If you do not understand yourself, you do not know what is your purpose, you do not know what you should do and you will not find value in doing anything. If you do not understand yourself, your mind will always be in a state of confusion, anguish, depression .....
If God means the creator of the universe, planets, stars, life forms e.t.c, then I disagree God exists as a being.Is there really a god at all?[/quote]
I have been a free-thinker all my life, but it is quite easy for me see whether there is really a God at all. The answer to this question depends very much on your own personal definition of the word "God".
[quote]Originally posted by Ito_^:if there is a god, maybe we're cursed.
If God means superior higher beings, then I do agree God exists as a being.Originally posted by jojobeach:Dying painfully,
If you don't want to believe in Christianity.
There are other higher beings you can believe in.
You can believe in Buddha, Allah, Mother Mary, Gods of different ethnicity.
But I assure you, there is a higher being.
All gods, teach the same things..LOVE. TRUTH. SACRIFICE. FAITH.
Along with it are various versions and different forms of GOD.
If God means a concept for spiritual development, then I do agree God exists, but only as a concept, not as a being.Originally posted by gigabyte14:it's all in your head.
if you want to live, then you'll live.
God is just something in your mind that keeps you going
he doesn't even exist
just something imaginary
If God means something that will always love you and never abandon you, then I agree that God exists as a being. But I can say for this case, God is actually something within yourself, part of yourself. If you keep searching externally for "God" and not internally, you will never find it.
Summary:
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The thread title asked: Is there really a god at all? And the above is a good answer. Let's not speculate what's the underlying problem TS faced. Then we are being presumptious.Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:God is a concept. It does not exist.
Everything is a concept. You, me, he, she, and everyone does not exist.
We does not exist.
Everyone has a problem - at home, in school, at work, with friends, parents, siblings, colleagues, etc. Some of us find solutions in a sensible, creative, logical way - either by oneself or with the help of another. Some seek charlatans, some seek mediums, some seek saints, and many seek god or gods!
One of the thing with any evangelistic religion is the 'promise' that god will help solve our problems. The truth is: we are the cause of our problems and we have to solve them ourselves. If I am 'God', I wouldn't be wasting my time listening to a lot of human craps and petitions for help of one kind or another. But I am not, and I know there are many kind humans without religious affiliation who are capable of helping.
Most times, we need to look inwards - at ourselves. When you look very deep inward - there is NO SELF. And this is the most shocking revelation! -
Put it this way, christianity is not the only answer to problems! God is not that great or willing to help all, he is selective to whom he wants to help and bless. So it is best not to rely on God.
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(Response to dumbdumb's quote)Originally posted by qlqq9:
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
except talibans, apparently,
aiya, although i'm a christian, but i do have problems with my own brothers and sisters, my leader was trying to drive in a point once and in frustration he told me Jesus Christ wanted to crucify me on the cross. imagine how hurt i was?[/code]
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Originally posted by qlqq9what sort of leader is he, and what church are you attending? hope it is not a cult church. leave the church lah, so unhappy!! MY experiences from church members were no better too. and it is not a matter of only a handful of them but there were around 8 out of 10 (ratio) who were really yucks!!! I had been mistreated, abused, betrayed, accused, mistaken for, and so on. they have problems I prayed and helped them, when I had problems they gave me the treatment - you die your business, even I asked for them to pray for me they said pray yourself. The church is rather shallow, too! pastors preach sermons take precaution not to offend the people, fear the people instead of speaking the truth, i shake my head!!!! Members fighting for power! Members shouted at each other during meeting! sounds like those taiwanese politicians quarrelling ! Do consider whether to leave the church and try other church or think about what you want and is christianity really for you!!
As for me, after all these happening, i struggled for 7 to 8 years contemplating to leave the church and christianity. Now I am finally free! Thank goodness!
Good luck!
First of all,
Only satans/devils crucify.
Jesus DO NOT CRUCIFY YOU.
He let the devils crucified him so He can washed away your sins.
Your leader is a retard for saying Jesus Crucify.
He obviously never read the bible and is out to hurt people.
What Church was that??
Let us all know so we don't go to that church.
We can crucify the name of the church here.
Let the leader spoiled the reputation of the bloody church who say Jesus Crucify.
(Response to qlqq9's quote)
Same here. I agree with you.
I gave up church and its people.
However, I keep faith in God. Andrew strom proves me why.
Majority of christainity are hypocrites.
Did u read the sermons by Andrew Strom??
He said something that today's fellow christians are snakes and vipers.
Did you read his sermons and how Andrew Strom will preach a messenge that will shoot down his fellow christians every way.
Something about that preacher:
1-He doesn't bothered about popularity.
2-He was attacked by other fellow believers (in words) for preaching a messenge that everyone hates to hear.
3-He continued the on-slaughter to preach the truth about the luke-warm christians state as it is today.
He believed in God's faith that the truth needed to be told to the christian.
So he mocked the christianity in his church and blasted the church members until everyone of them kneel down during a sermon and pray for repentance for God.
That is Pure miracle.
When do u see a hall of people kneeling down, praying to God during the sermons for repentance.
(Correct me if I am wrong.)
The bottomline is I gave up church but still kept faith in God.
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Originally posted by Ionlytalknoaction:
AS for me, it is proven that both God and the christians are of no credibility and so on.
(Response to dumbdumb's quote)
First of all,
Only satans/devils crucify.
[b]Jesus DO NOT CRUCIFY YOU.
He let the devils crucified him so He can washed away your sins.
Your leader is a retard for saying Jesus Crucify.
He obviously never read the bible and is out to hurt people.
What Church was that??
Let us all know so we don't go to that church.
We can crucify the name of the church here.
Let the leader spoiled the reputation of the bloody church who say Jesus Crucify.
(Response to qlqq9's quote)
Same here. I agree with you.
I gave up church and its people.
However, I keep faith in God. Andrew strom proves me why.
Majority of christainity are hypocrites.
Did u read the sermons by Andrew Strom??
Did you read his sermons and how Andrew Strom will preach a messenge that will shoot down his fellow christians every way.
Something about that preacher:
1-He doesn't bothered about popularity.
2-He was attacked by other fellow believers (in words) for preaching a messenge that everyone hates to hear.
3-He continued the on-slaughter to preach the truth about the luke-warm christians state as it is today.
He believed in God's faith that the truth needed to be told to the christian.
So he mocked the christianity in his church and blasted the church members until everyone of them kneel down during a sermon and pray for repentance for God.
That is Pure miracle.
When do u see a hall of people kneeling down, praying to God during the sermons for repentance.
(Correct me if I am wrong.)
The bottomline is I gave up church but still kept faith in God.
It's people who misused the term God to their advantage.(Satans of course).
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TS, hope you will think things through and have the courage to face reality. Seek the willing, seek the helpful, seek the right source and people to help you. Good luck. -
Originally posted by SoulDivine:
You have given good advice.
......Since the problems came internally, you can only solve it internally by yourself. The rest of us here are just here to give you some advices on how to do it.
Summary:
[b]In general, God does exists and nobody else can prove it to you other than yourself.[/b]
As for God or god, it all boils down to 'believe' or some say 'faith'.
It is necessary to define God or god as individuals or groups have their own 'meaning'. A concept simply mean what one conceives. The one who conceives gives birth! When you say exist - are you refering to:
1) the concept of God
2) God?
Let's forget what one conceives or conjures. Let's look at it squarely. Is there a God - physical or metaphysical?
If it is physical - then human should be able to use his senses to determine whether real or not. If it is metaphysical, like cosmic soul, holy spirit, ghost, or some supernatural being, then I supposed it is beyond human senses. You may have come across 'claims' by people who can see, hear, and feel God whereas quite a number of people can also tell you nothing of that sort happens to them!
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Quoting from the bible, James chap 3 : 1 -12Originally posted by qlqq9:Put it this way, christianity is not the only answer to problems! God is not that great or willing to help all, he is selective to whom he wants to help and bless. So it is best not to rely on God.
Taming the tongue
"Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check.
When we put bits into mouth of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder whenever the pilot wants to go. Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself is set on fire by hell.
All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea have been tamed by man, but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.
With the tongue we praise Lord and Father, and with it we curse man who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water low from the same spring? My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. " -
Originally posted by royale9:
Quoting bible verses can make things worse. This is what I learnt from attending christian seminar and some mature christians said the same.
Quoting from the bible, James chap 3 : 1 -12
[b]Taming the tongue
"Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check.
When we put bits into mouth of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder whenever the pilot wants to go. Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself is set on fire by hell.
All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea have been tamed by man, but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.
With the tongue we praise Lord and Father, and with it we curse man who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water low from the same spring? My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. "
[/b] don't quote bible verses, be a living walking bible yourself. Practise what you preach, without which the christian faith is dead!! -
Hello dyingpainfully,
Human interaction can be a pain sometimes but it is part and parcel of being human.
I think you have to learn to forgive the people that have hurt you before. It is not easy but you must for your own sake. Learn to move on from your bad experiences and start to talk to people. Try to learn to trust again.
When you have people you can trust around you, supporting you, then life is much more enriching.
I hope and pray that you can find happiness again.
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Forgiveness alone won't help him. What is it with Christians love to link almost everything to forgiveness!!!? Crap!Originally posted by sillyme:Hello dyingpainfully,
Human interaction can be a pain sometimes but it is part and parcel of being human.
I think you have to learn to forgive the people that have hurt you before. It is not easy but you must for your own sake. Learn to move on from your bad experiences and start to talk to people. Try to learn to trust again.
When you have people you can trust around you, supporting you, then life is much more enriching.
I hope and pray that you can find happiness again.
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Are you on a one man crusade to take on the whole CHURCH?Originally posted by qlqq9:Forgiveness alone won't help him. What is it with Christians love to link almost everything to forgiveness!!!? Crap!
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hello, andrew, I am not on any crusade, I have no interest at all! Just feel that some christians are not very practical and realistic when they try to help people who are having problems.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Are you on a one man crusade to take on the whole CHURCH? -
You are right. Forgiveness alone cannot help.Originally posted by qlqq9:Forgiveness alone won't help him.
Forgiveness is letting go of the bitterness and hatred that holds one back.
Having broken free from the shackles, we have to move on.
Take this for example. Person A was mistreated by his parents when he was young. When he realises the value of kinship and they want reconcilliation, he needs to forgive his parents and start mending the broken relationship.
As with the case of dyingpainfully, he has had a bad past. I hope he can let go of the past and start anew. -
You are right again. I am unable to give practical solutions nor can I be smart to guess how dyingpainfully is feeling because I do not know the exact details of his past. Hence, I can only give him a general advice.Originally posted by qlqq9:Just feel that some christians are not very practical and realistic when they try to help people who are having problems. -
plus.... joining the forum with just to write up ONE post..... hmmmm?
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who join the forum to write one post?Originally posted by Chin Eng:plus.... joining the forum with just to write up ONE post..... hmmmm?