Suicidal and depressed
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You are recognising you have clinical depression. You need to see a doctor to prescribe anti-depressants. Do it today.
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Hey.
U got to believe me. Suicide is g@y.
I have a gf like u ; now busy / stressed / frustrated with work. I wanted to tell her my problems, yet i didn't. Why i did that ... because i know she loves me ... and i do not mind sacrificing abit to help her
My parents don't care about me.
But its ok.
I plan to be independant.
Sometimes, u might think U might have nothing.
But still, having nothing is not as bad as losing everything in front of your face and watch your whole life & world crumbling down, just because u made a tiny careless mistake.
there's still chances u can turn back and start a new life
But i cannot start a new life because everything had already happened and cannot be reversed.
If u have the will, start making a diff today. Don drag any further.
Me ???
I wanted to do something to solve my problems but again, i can't, beacause its sunday now and all gov services are closed while i'm enduring the uncomfortable silence.
Do not suicide. u can still turn the tide.
i believe in you the moment u expressed yourself.
its already a first step u made
Hope my words do help you. Don't u think i need a thank from you ?
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what noble intentions. planning and doing is different. you "think" you "should" that's already 2 levels of indication you are going to do nothing.Originally posted by sEphIrOth:i know many people have been trying to help. but if no one knows how depressed someone can get, suicidal thoughts may happen at any point in time and to anyone.
im not a whiner. i intend to change my lifestyle and work things out. i think i should be more initiative and take control rather than sit back and see the whole show going on.
talk is cheap, and you make it look like talk is free. -
talk is cheap, you make it look like i m nothing and put me down. and i intend to ignore you, juz liek what udon said.Originally posted by TTRules:what noble intentions. planning and doing is different. you "think" you "should" that's already 2 levels of indication you are going to do nothing.
talk is cheap, and you make it look like talk is free. -
Based on of your birth details (subjected to your accuracy of your birth time):
There is an extremely strong tension in your natal chart surrounding your individual self component (Ascendant is heavily afflicted by a T-square aspect, involving planets acting as significators from 1st - 5th house, stellium in 1st house, conjunction of all outer planets). Your entity of Self isn't just tied down; it's glued, bolted, nailed, and buried ten thousand feet beneath earth, with you struggling to get out from this incarceration.
I see suppression - (Uranus conjunct Saturn in tight 0 degree aspect). I am going to explain your situation paradoxically with this set of irony: Your have an individualistic inner personality that subconsciously wants to free itself from your subconscious dimension, by manifesting it in your consciousness and transforming you as a person likewise. But simultaneously, you have a very 'safe' and rigid attitude towards this transformation because Saturn seeks to conserve and crystallize this energy from scattering.
The best analogy I can give you is our PAP government - our government is maturing at a very slow rate; they understand the importance of liberty and freedom... on how creativity, entrepreneurship, arts, etc, will bring Singapore to the next level of growth, but are not willing to lose sight of the shore.
While others might dismiss your situation as innocuous, to make matter a little worst, you have a very enervated Mars (in Anaretic Degree) completely drowned in the sign of Pisces (also part of the T-square). In simple, your chart revealed personality weakness and lack of courage to initiative changes or decision that would ruin status quo. This creates a synergy with the above pointer - your helplessness lies greatly with your perception of how futile you see yourself in changing your circumstances.
However, despite all that, you did not resign to fate (Uranus in 1st house wouldn't easily allow it) - but what happens is that your quiet frustration and tension builds upon your helplessness and when the condition are right, it triggers an astrologically acute depression (Saturn in 1st house, conjunct Neptune are all signs of depressive outlook in a person). Approximately, your trigger will occur around:
1) 4.83 years old
2) 12 years old
3) 19.58 years old (I think you just hit (or is hitting) this currently)
Even if you don't really understand what I said above, it doesn't matter because whatever I have just said is not as important as what I am going to say now:
To change your plight, you must first seek the strength to change from within. Your inner strength is feeble; your desire for changes never matched up with the action needed for changes to occur. If you can never see that you are the key ingredient to overcome your struggles in life, you will always live a life of suppression.
And that fear will always make decision on your behalf - you never fully become yourself as a person.
Cheers -
Originally posted by Yunhaier:
so what i need to do is to change my self and how i think of things, will that suffice?
Based on of your birth details (subjected to your accuracy of your birth time):
There is an extremely strong tension in your natal chart surrounding your individual self component (Ascendant is heavily afflicted by a T-square aspect, involving planets acting as significators from 1st - 5th house, stellium in 1st house, conjunction of all outer planets). Your entity of Self isn't just tied down; it's glued, bolted, nailed, and buried ten thousand feet beneath earth, with you struggling to get out from this incarceration.
I see suppression - (Uranus conjunct Saturn in tight 0 degree aspect). I am going to explain your situation paradoxically with this set of irony: Your have an individualistic inner personality that subconsciously wants to free itself from your subconscious dimension, by manifesting it in your consciousness and transforming you as a person likewise. But simultaneously, you have a very 'safe' and rigid attitude towards this transformation because Saturn seeks to conserve and crystallize this energy from scattering.
The best analogy I can give you is our PAP government - our government is maturing at a very slow rate; they understand the importance of liberty and freedom... on how creativity, entrepreneurship, arts, etc, will bring Singapore to the next level of growth, but are not willing to lose sight of the shore.
While others might dismiss your situation as innocuous, to make matter a little worst, you have a very enervated Mars (in Anaretic Degree) completely drowned in the sign of Pisces (also part of the T-square). In simple, your chart revealed personality weakness and lack of courage to initiative changes or decision that would ruin status quo. This creates a synergy with the above pointer - [b]your helplessness lies greatly with your perception of how futile you see yourself in changing your circumstances.
However, despite all that, you did not resign to fate (Uranus in 1st house wouldn't easily allow it) - but what happens is that your quiet frustration and tension builds upon your helplessness and when the condition are right, it triggers an astrologically acute depression (Saturn in 1st house, conjunct Neptune are all signs of depressive outlook in a person). Approximately, your trigger will occur around:
1) 4.83 years old
2) 12 years old
3) 19.58 years old (I think you just hit (or is hitting) this currently)
Even if you don't really understand what I said above, it doesn't matter because whatever I have just said is not as important as what I am going to say now:
To change your plight, you must first seek the strength to change from within. Your inner strength is feeble; your desire for changes never matched up with the action needed for changes to occur. If you can never see that you are the key ingredient to overcome your struggles in life, you will always live a life of suppression.
And that fear will always make decision on your behalf - you never fully become yourself as a person.
Cheers[/b] -
The problem in u is simple. U just speak ur intent but no action. U say u want to break free from ur mum and gf's grasp but yet u do nothing about it.
U feel the pain inflicted by ur mum and gf but u choose to seek advice in AA and do nothing.
U are also very sensitive to other people comments. Try to look deeper in the comments to understand the true intent of the writer, scolding u sometimes is to wake u up.
Only Talk but No Action = Nothing is done. U can be in this shit-hole forever unless u really act a upon it. Tell ur mum, U WANT TO WORK in a serious tone, telling her that nothing is going to stop u even if she try to starve u.
If u want to achieve ur goal, are u willing to sacrifice urself to attain it? The sacrifice here is to go against ur mum and accept any punishment she gives u. Provided ur mum is rational, she will give in to u one day.
The problem is are u going to work a upon it or just give me another reply that u want to change but do nothing
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try compare urself to AIDs patient, Cancer patient, those handicap, the blind, the mute and etc....
You are much more fortunate. The problems surface are ask for. The problems they faced are caused -
die lor... who cares??
quick.. go die...
i teach u.. u want??
cough syrup n flu tablets will nv kill u even if heavily overdose....
tried n proven...
u wan see blood or not one?? -
Huh! u realli ask him to go and die, aiya, later he siao liao, realli go and die, then cham liao lor. Better dun encourage him to die ya.Originally posted by aHGer^83:die lor... who cares??
quick.. go die...
i teach u.. u want??
cough syrup n flu tablets will nv kill u even if heavily overdose....
tried n proven...
u wan see blood or not one?? -
he wanna die mah...Originally posted by angel7030:Huh! u realli ask him to go and die, aiya, later he siao liao, realli go and die, then cham liao lor. Better dun encourage him to die ya.
let him die lor...
commit suicide hor.. they will whip ur dead body...
if u no die, u will be charged n handcuffed to the bed, when u discharged, u will have to go court.
den after u die, u will not go to Heaven, no matter wad ur religion is... confirm go Hell n suffer...
the Lords in Hell will torture u everyday.. repeating the same thing every hour...
God of all religion will look down on you.. They won't help u one... ur parents will be sad.. and hate u for pang seh-ing them
friends will forget u very fast...
relatives will spread the word that u commit suicide n laff at u..
shiok hor? so y not enjoy the shiokness of suicide? -
What Yun is saying is pretty much what MOST of the people are saying.Just with the added analogies and all that good stuff. Changing urself and how u think of things does not suffice , its only the beginning of changes that are about to occur in your life. For the better or worse , its in your hands.Originally posted by sEphIrOth:so what i need to do is to change my self and how i think of things, will that suffice? -
Hi Sepiroth, I agree with yoghurt that talking to a counsellor would perhaps help you to understand more about your needs and concerns. If you are still a student, you may wish to approach your form teacher and ask him/her to refer you to a school counsellor. If you wish for privacy, you can also consider seeking counsellors from nearby student or family care centres.Originally posted by blue_yoghurt:Hey Sepiroth, if you find life life too unbearable mayb you should seek some professional help. Go talk to a counsellor. You don't have to tell your mom that you went to see a counsellor if you really don't want to.
Life is a long and exciting journey. Its just that sometimes you get blinded by certain events and you seem to lose sight of the long term picture. Take a break and try looking at everything from a different perspective, mayb you will gain some new insights. Do something that you really want. For me i went backpacking. Take a semester off from school if its neccessary. Don't lose sight of your goals and dreams
TO ALL FORUMMERS: Everyone goes through a down point somewhere in their life. What people need during these times are the support of one another to pull each other through. So unless you think you are the perfect human who will never encounter such setbacks in your life, keep your criticisms to yourself. Try putting yourself in other people's shoes once in a while.
People who are suicidal, for whatever reasons, big or trivial, find it hard to manage their expectations. Expectations towards society and family, and expectations imposed by society and family, real or perceived.
I have been taking medication for depression for more than half a year. I also have been depressed since my school days. And I'm in my late 20s now.
Talking to a counsellor/psychiatrist is nothing shameful nor does it suggest you are weak or useless, especially if you are a guy. Guys are expected to be strong in any society throughout the world and this is not something females can understand. It is not their fault and neither is it yours.
You alone bear the responsibility to help yourself. As fellow 'sufferer', I'm relieved to read that you are very willing to help yourself instead of just taking the easy way out.
Your life is your own and it's precious, no matter how you view it or who will value it.
Take care, Sepiroth. ^_^ -
You think YOURS is bad ar..
Like that if u are me u already commit suicide at 14 yrs old.
U havent even graduate yet. Havent even know what is out there. Havent even sit down and think for yourself and those around you. Havent even stand on the cross-roads to be in persuit of your own happiness knowing that ur actions is an act of selfishness to others especially ur parents OR tied down by the obligations for ur family members , ur parents and ur siblings. Thats assuming u have siblings and u want a better life for ur parents. Or tied down because non of ur family members are able to and u have the ability to make changes for the better for everyone but at the cost of ur own dreams n future. To be with the love of your life or pursue what you have dreamed of doing at the other side. Which trust me.. u WILL stand upon the crossroad. And if u are feeling the fear now .. then u might as well kill urself to save urself the trouble and the stress in the future.
Even until today i am still faced with all these problems. From parents , family members , people around me , obligations , dreams, conscience. No matter how hard i try i cannot find a WIN WIN solution. its NEAR impossible. Something has to be sacrificed. The external forces at work that are influencing ur decisions. The uncertain future of the choice u will have to make sooner or later. The opportunities on both scale are limitless. On what is right and wrong when there is no wrong but only rights and the wrong will be the decision u make and the sacrifices u will have to make. Will u shoulder that burden or let others shoulder it for you and the consequences of ur actions.
U talk about how u have exhausted all options. I dont think u have even tried much options, maybe because u are unable to come up with any solution to try hence u give up. So the solution for u , a quick way up. Suicide.
You will NEVER achieve greatness. All great people have battered not just what nature has thrown at them but how the hand of fate has put them against near impossible situations , emotional hardship and stress. But they all have 1 thing in common. NEVER SAY DIE. N thats why they are able to BE where they are today. Ur situation is chump change compared to any of them.
U talk as if ur mum is a psycho. Unreasonable to the point where u either kill urself or u kill her. If THAT is really the case , u better kill her and plan the ultimate murder to save urself. OR you can suck it in like man , graduate and show her what u are capable off. Because as i can see it , u are only all talk n dreams. While u cant even produce results. N u can say that she doesnt give u a chance to produce results ... trust me... if u want to , u can. Hell unless u are too dumb to manipulate ur school time to do the things u want.
When u talk about ur potentials , its just another pathetic excuse at where u are at now. U are only totally curbed off ur potential when u are a graduate proffesional in aeronautical engineering but forced to make donuts in a donut factory , in china or hell.. some ulu place somewhere on this planet. Even there u may be able to make something out of it using ur skill. But what have u got now ? So what is ur ...'potential' .
I have decided to post today because every advice given by people here are responded by excuses and negative attitude. You cannot be reckless in your behaviour and cannot allow emotions to affect ur judgement because u will be clouded and no longer having a sound mind.
I have to stop here now. Or else u will sien to read the long post and become more pek chek n later really kill urself.
I was thinking of pumping u full of drugs n b|tch slapping u. But u are lucky u are not a close friend of mine. -
^5 ^5 ^5 ^5 ^5!!!Originally posted by Uncertain:The problem in u is simple. U just speak ur intent but no action. U say u want to break free from ur mum and gf's grasp but yet u do nothing about it.
U feel the pain inflicted by ur mum and gf but u choose to seek advice in AA and do nothing.
U are also very sensitive to other people comments. Try to look deeper in the comments to understand the true intent of the writer, scolding u sometimes is to wake u up.
Only Talk but No Action = Nothing is done. U can be in this shit-hole forever unless u really act a upon it. Tell ur mum, U WANT TO WORK in a serious tone, telling her that nothing is going to stop u even if she try to starve u.
If u want to achieve ur goal, are u willing to sacrifice urself to attain it? The sacrifice here is to go against ur mum and accept any punishment she gives u. Provided ur mum is rational, she will give in to u one day.
The problem is are u going to work a upon it or just give me another reply that u want to change but do nothing
Try this for a change, use the time you browse and rot in the forums and do something constructive. Like READ A BOOK. Your mum wont stop you from going to library right? At most cost you 2 transport trips.
Knowledge is power? BULLSH!T. You can know what to do and intend to do everything. And still not do it.
APPLIED knowledge is power. Use what you know. START NOW. -
it's not as bad as you say la. his friends wont forget him very fast...Originally posted by aHGer^83:he wanna die mah...
let him die lor...
commit suicide hor.. they will whip ur dead body...
if u no die, u will be charged n handcuffed to the bed, when u discharged, u will have to go court.
den after u die, u will not go to Heaven, no matter wad ur religion is... confirm go Hell n suffer...
the Lords in Hell will torture u everyday.. repeating the same thing every hour...
God of all religion will look down on you.. They won't help u one... ur parents will be sad.. and hate u for pang seh-ing them
friends will forget u very fast...
relatives will spread the word that u commit suicide n laff at u..
shiok hor? so y not enjoy the shiokness of suicide?
they either forgotten him already or he doesn't have that many close friends at all like he said. -
I read your previous thread before making this post.
I just have 2 questions for you, which will help you to look at things objectively and resolve the issues you are facing.
1) Do you know what to do?
2) When will you do it? -
TS,
i recommend u go Mt Elizabeth hospital, go lvl 5, look for Dr Lionel Lim.
he's a famous n good phsychiatrist. -
Hi Sep,Originally posted by sEphIrOth:i know many people have been trying to help. but if no one knows how depressed someone can get, suicidal thoughts may happen at any point in time and to anyone.
im not a whiner. i intend to change my lifestyle and work things out. i think i should be more initiative and take control rather than sit back and see the whole show going on.
Everyone here is trying to help - whether by 'Chicken Sauce' method (reversed psychology) or out front written support - just so that you know.
You are young and everyone needs varying degree of attention from others. Me too. There is nothing wrong with that and I think that's what you are craving/missing/lacking.
Let's deal with this logically. You contemplate suicide as a last resort IS some form of 'logical' thinking because, to you, you think that you have tried your best. But the problem is, not everyone is right and practically there are hundred and one solutions and not everyone, given the same situation, will think that suicide is the last resort.
That lead us to a snag. What if you are wrong thinking that suicide is the last resort? The deal here is to prevent making permanent mistakes. Death is irreversible.
Ever heard people talk about having no regrets in life and all that bullsh*ts? Well, the condition is to HAVE A LIFE to appreciate and evaluate what they have done. Can you evaluate if death is the right way out? If not, how do you know it's the 'last' solution? To me, it's not even a solution.
We will die eventually but the only difference is, can we die proud, smart, with integrity and achievements? Are there things in your life that you are proud of, like a painting, an poem, a song, your school result, your girlfriend, your buddies, your parents, your obedient pet, your room decor, your choice of clothes, etc...As long as there is one thing that you are proud of, you should pursue it and exploit it, and excel in it. Can't do it when you are dead. Nothing to be proud of? Read on...
It takes courage to commit suicide. Do you have that courage? It takes a lot more brain to die successfully. Are you smart enough? If you have the courage and brain, then why waste thinking no how to die?!!!! Seow huh? But you are not seow what?
The thing is, if you succumbed to suicidal thoughts, you are weak, useless and unaccomplished. For the moment that is. Every breathe you are taking now is a sign of strength, life and determination. All the food you are eating are energy for accomplishments. But what have you done beside shitting and internet surfing? Get up and do something positive. Write a song, save a life, adopt a dog, get a f*ck, etc...(opps, NC 16)
Maybe what you feel is right, that your potential is under utilized. But why do you feel that way? B'cos of your mum?? Oh please! Stop blaming others. The only potential you have exhibited is your propensity to commit suicide??
If you die, the world will still move on. One less forumite the most. But there will be at least 2 sad souls. 15 years into the drain just like that. If a meal cost $4, a day expenses is $12. One month is $360. One year is $4,320. And 15 yrs is $64,800. I strongly suggest you repay your debts to your parents first so that when they are old and frail, they won't be penniless! And dun forget your education fees, pocket money and interest. What's the prevailing interest rate now?
If you think you are Leslie Cheung, you are NOT. He was famous, rich and has many fans. I'm sure his family is already well taken care of.
You need to improve your personal character. Don't be whinny and annoy your gf. Be positive and interesting to her. She's already so busy. Show her support and dun drag her down. She needs you more than you need her.
Prove yourself to your family and friends. Not escape. You to explore your potential, find ways to it and not resigned from it because no one helps you. Why should anyone help a negative, dimwit person anyway? Understand not yourself but people around you. Dun be selfish. I know you are too young (and maybe immature) to understand this but it takes time. That's life.
I dunno. When I was 15, I was busy with school works, cute girls, basketballs, cute girls, impressing my teachers, cute girls, etc...what about you?? If don't have a CCA, dun need to join suicide club too. Unless, you wanna escape from NS la, then that's a different story altogether.
Get a life la. We are fierce but you have our support!
Gampai. -
ji jiang fa = chicken sauce method...
learn new word today..Originally posted by nehpyh:Hi Sep,
Everyone here is trying to help - whether by 'Chicken Sauce' method (reversed psychology) or out front written support - just so that you know.
You are young and everyone needs varying degree of attention from others. Me too. There is nothing wrong with that and I think that's what you are craving/missing/lacking.
Let's deal with this logically. You contemplate suicide as a last resort IS some form of 'logical' thinking because, to you, you think that you have tried your best. But the problem is, not everyone is right and practically there are hundred and one solutions and not everyone, given the same situation, will think that suicide is the last resort.
That lead us to a snag. What if you are wrong thinking that suicide is the last resort? The deal here is to prevent making permanent mistakes. Death is irreversible.
Ever heard people talk about having no regrets in life and all that bullsh*ts? Well, the condition is to HAVE A LIFE to appreciate and evaluate what they have done. Can you evaluate if death is the right way out? If not, how do you know it's the 'last' solution? To me, it's not even a solution.
We will die eventually but the only difference is, can we die proud, smart, with integrity and achievements? Are there things in your life that you are proud of, like a painting, an poem, a song, your school result, your girlfriend, your buddies, your parents, your obedient pet, your room decor, your choice of clothes, etc...As long as there is one thing that you are proud of, you should pursue it and exploit it, and excel in it. Can't do it when you are dead. Nothing to be proud of? Read on...
It takes courage to commit suicide. Do you have that courage? It takes a lot more brain to die successfully. Are you smart enough? If you have the courage and brain, then why waste thinking no how to die?!!!! Seow huh? But you are not seow what?
The thing is, if you succumbed to suicidal thoughts, you are weak, useless and unaccomplished. For the moment that is. Every breathe you are taking now is a sign of strength, life and determination. All the food you are eating are energy for accomplishments. But what have you done beside shitting and internet surfing? Get up and do something positive. Write a song, save a life, adopt a dog, get a f*ck, etc...(opps, NC 16)
Maybe what you feel is right, that your potential is under utilized. But why do you feel that way? B'cos of your mum?? Oh please! Stop blaming others. The only potential you have exhibited is your propensity to commit suicide??
If you die, the world will still move on. One less forumite the most. But there will be at least 2 sad souls. 15 years into the drain just like that. If a meal cost $4, a day expenses is $12. One month is $360. One year is $4,320. And 15 yrs is $64,800. I strongly suggest you repay your debts to your parents first so that when they are old and frail, they won't be penniless! And dun forget your education fees, pocket money and interest. What's the prevailing interest rate now?
If you think you are Leslie Cheung, you are NOT. He was famous, rich and has many fans. I'm sure his family is already well taken care of.
You need to improve your personal character. Don't be whinny and annoy your gf. Be positive and interesting to her. She's already so busy. Show her support and dun drag her down. She needs you more than you need her.
Prove yourself to your family and friends. Not escape. You to explore your potential, find ways to it and not resigned from it because no one helps you. Why should anyone help a negative, dimwit person anyway? Understand not yourself but people around you. Dun be selfish. I know you are too young (and maybe immature) to understand this but it takes time. That's life.
I dunno. When I was 15, I was busy with school works, cute girls, basketballs, cute girls, impressing my teachers, cute girls, etc...what about you?? If don't have a CCA, dun need to join suicide club too. Unless, you wanna escape from NS la, then that's a different story altogether.
Get a life la. We are fierce but you have our support!
Gampai. -
TS, how?
u still want die??
wait ah... u need ur parents to sign consent form 1st hor...
u ask "mama, papa, i very depress.. can i die?" -
[quote]Originally posted by aHGer^83:
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he wanna die mah...
let him die lor...
commit suicide hor.. they will whip ur dead body...
if u no die, u will be charged n handcuffed to the bed, when u discharged, u will have to go court.
den after u die, u will not go to Heaven, no matter wad ur religion is... confirm go Hell n suffer...
the Lords in Hell will torture u everyday.. repeating the same thing every hour...
God of all religion will look down on you.. They won't help u one... ur parents will be sad.. and hate u for pang seh-ing them
friends will forget u very fast...
relatives will spread the word that u commit suicide n laff at u.
Huh! me rubbing my eyes in disbelief lah, commit suicide also shiok meh? Better dun lah, alots of poor peoples are suffering without foods, house and even worst than our animals here, but they still live on, cos they still treasure life. -
Sista AhGer (I assume you are a Ger la),
Dun eat chicken him too hard la....in case he's too dimwit to understand the subtle meaning and die how??
So many of us here contributed to this thread like writing Thank You speeches. Definitely the longest for a noob like me.
Hey, Sep. If you Chinese is good, write some lyrics for me la. I'll pen a melody and help you sell. If you do sell, at least you can repay your parents and then die. But I'll hold all your loyalties hor! -
chi ji ta = eat chicken himOriginally posted by nehpyh:Sista AhGer (I assume you are a Ger la),
Dun eat chicken him too hard la....in case he's too dimwit to understand the subtle meaning and die how??
So many of us here contributed to this thread like writing Thank You speeches. Definitely the longest for a noob like me.
Hey, Sep. If you Chinese is good, write some lyrics for me la. I'll pen a melody and help you sell. If you do sell, at least you can repay your parents and then die. But I'll hold all your loyalties hor!
another new word learn...
he say he wanna die.. i only teaching him ways to die mah...
but he nv say he want see blood or not.. want painful one or not...
and b4 n after commit suicide wad will happen mah...
let him choose lor...
got ppl say must apply knowledge mah...
u all keep telling him dun die, he also will curious wad will happen b4 n after suicide mah...
so i let him know lor.. let him choose to die or not lor.. -
X 2.Originally posted by mhcampboy:dude.. there is a lot of ppl here.. including myself... is willing to listen and help u out....
sure... we cannot change everything.. but we can be by your side...
u really got to get rid of ur suicidal tendencies first...