PISSED off
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Originally posted by epImetheus:
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[b]i have not served NS yet. but i will not escape from it or kpkb about it.[/b]
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And I tot you white guys are crazy over those military types?? I tot you guys liked to try the Army?? My tots were wrong then. ha ha!! If you need tips on how to "geng", just ask around.
Dun worry, 2 years will pass very soon. Unless you wan to cancel PR last minute. -
what a loser!!!
I would knock you down in 30 seconds mate. This is serious. I can take any form of physical punishment, or toil, or fights. But what I am afraid of, is my present situation in school being much much worse, I am afraid of losing my mind. I am already on the verge of losing it now, because i am isolated from people, I am frightened of what I would do if i felt this way with a gun... or in an environment where i can hold a gun.
these bloody ang moh act tough but scared NS
But after I talk about my frustrations, i feel better, whenever i talk to someone. My problem now is I have no one to talk to.. deeper level communication. I am just afraid of this problem intensifying.., like I CANNOT SPEND 2 YEARS WITH MY CLASS lol. I would go nuts. I am just confused. I appreciate all your friendly advice, thank you. I will consider it and try to hope for the best. -
Men@arms,
are you frustrated with the school system or something?
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Originally posted by men_@_arms:I would knock you down in 30 seconds mate. This is serious. I can take any form of physical punishment, or toil, or fights. But what I am afraid of, is my present situation in school being much much worse, I am afraid of losing my mind. I am already on the verge of losing it now, because i am isolated from people, I am frightened of what I would do if i felt this way with a gun... or in an environment where i can hold a gun.
But after I talk about my frustrations, i feel better, whenever i talk to someone. My problem now is I have no one to talk to.. deeper level communication. I am just afraid of this problem intensifying.., like I CANNOT SPEND 2 YEARS WITH MY CLASS lol. I would go nuts. I am just confused. I appreciate all your friendly advice, thank you. I will consider it and try to hope for the best.
People, please refrain from flaming him. If you have been here long enough, you would have realise that this problems of his has been around for almost as long as he came, at least that I knew of. It is neither the subject of NS that he feared nor anything else that NS would have brought forward - it's isolation, a man on the island, and not even a single soul that he can speak to, even in school now. You people have been through NS - but have you been through isolation? A world of your own? This poor guy probably only has sgforum to communicate and NONE of you nor me fall under such stress.
I have three steps for you:
I) Open up, release your fear and gradually talk to people. By being weird, you appear weird and under theory of initial attraction - you probably only can attract people who are weird. Don't. Look at my signature below. Determine which gender you would feel better around with and always start communicating first.
II) Art of seduction, Phrase one, Separation: Enter their spirit. Most people are locked in their own worlds, making them stubborn and hard to persuade. The only way to lure them out of their shell and set up your seduction is to enter their spirit. Play by their rule, enjoy what they enjoy, adapt yourself to their moods. In doing so, you will stroke their deep-rooted naricissim and lower their defenses. Hypnotized by the mirror image you present, they will open up, becoming vulnerable to your subtle influence...
In simple; when in Rome, do what the Romans do. Anywhere you go, people who assimilate into other's culture always works because you consciously reduce that psychological gap between you and people.
III) Seek similiar interest and start from there. Used to play CS back in my younger days and with that similar interest, everyone's knitted - irregardless of nationality, etc. Common interest foster similiarity - which is a good ground for friendship to build on. Friends always have something in common at first - so understand your personal interest and probably focus and expand into it.
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I was looking forward to NS. does that mean i have to get my head checked?Originally posted by Lingos:That's really unnecessary. Let's see one freaking Singaporean born and bred who wants to serve NS. Those who do must get their head checked out.
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Admittedly the system sucks, but that's not the problem, the problem is I feel isolated from people in general. But the problem is intensified with the idea (i think too much) that i may spend 2 full consecutive years with people who make me feel so sad lonely, in ns... and i am just fearful of that.Originally posted by Lingos:Men@arms,
are you frustrated with the school system or something?
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thank you yunhair, i shall consider your words.
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oic ...ok i think the problem is with in his own mind lah.. and got nothing to do with the race lah..he feel isolated from ppl in general... haha so guys.. give this human being a break ok...if not we will see a new topic soon in Singapore Armed ForcesOriginally posted by men_@_arms:Admittedly the system sucks, but that's not the problem, the problem is I feel isolated from people in general. But the problem is intensified with the idea (i think too much) that i may spend 2 full consecutive years with people who make me feel so sad lonely, in ns... and i am just fearful of that.
forum ---- "young ang mo recruit kill his whole platoon at 100m range".. haha... cheer up man... haha
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if u relli dun like s'pore for god sake leave n dun come here n wail saying u r being generalise by local ppl becos u r half breed....y dun u tell ur parents u hate living in s'pore. tell them u wan to live n study in ur own country??Originally posted by men_@_arms:Dad just said I may have to do NS. He got PR cos he works here, and so my mum and I automatically become PRs as well. We are foreign citizens, I have only been in Singapore for 6 years schooling. And i might actually have to serve NS?!! I am pissed because it just does not sound fair, how come all the other white PR's children dont have to go?
But NS itself is not the problem. Its just that I am already struggling with suicidal and homocidal thoughts in school cos of my lack of socialisation. I dont think I can bear to spend 2 years (mondays to fridays full TIME), in a barracks with a bunch of local people, in the same sort of "-segregatory-socialisation-thing" which i currently face in school now. I fear out of anger, from being dissed by sergeants and ignored by fellows, i fear I may really lose it, already its hard to find weapons in school, yet alone a barracks? Haha I can imagine the headlines "Psychopath Foreign Eurasian freak kills Singaporeans in Army barracks. Minister says this is the result of letting ANYONE go into National Service".
Help me. I am suffering now, i dont want to suffer even MORE later on. This is psychological suffering, not a physical thing, dont tell me i am weak physcially, I could take on anyone of you small people!
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yesOriginally posted by kopiosatu:I was looking forward to NS. does that mean i have to get my head checked? -
well, u speak for the majority. just because someone is different, doesn't mean they are nuts.Originally posted by Lingos:yes -
no worries men_@_arms.
no one has time to racially discriminate you during BMT...
maybe some will during your remaining service term (but most of the times its between the asian races) , but the caucasian guys I've seen have mixed pretty well... -
Just a saying for you?Originally posted by men_@_arms:...
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hey M@A... chill dude.. dun think so much abt NS. its no sweat really. u're scared now cause u keep thinking about it. so i say dun think abt it and concentrate on your personal problems that really affect u. As an officer of the SAF, i really think NS isn't as difficult as u think it is. its pretty fun and i must say i'm enjoying my time in NS. haha... so take it easy... your post is pretty general.. if u wish to send me a PM with more specific concerns, i'll be more then happy to reply to them. Take it easy dude...here..*hands bunny rabbit* have one...they're cute, dun make much noise and easy to feed hahaha...Originally posted by men_@_arms:Dad just said I may have to do NS. ..... -
*WEEEEE-WUU-WEEEEEEEET!* Right on!Originally posted by Yunhaier: People, please refrain from flaming him. If you have been here long enough, you would have realise that this problems of his has been around for almost as long as he came, at least that I knew of. It is neither the subject of NS that he feared nor anything else that NS would have brought forward - it's isolation, a man on the island, and not even a single soul that he can speak to, even in school now. You people have been through NS - but have you been through isolation? A world of your own? This poor guy probably only has sgforum to communicate and NONE of you nor me fall under such stress.
Yun's got the situation zeroed in here. Guys, there's a lot of stuff that isn't represented on this thread, and it's not mainly about race even though it could look that way. Now I know it's a mouthful coming from me, but please, let's not flame here.
Okay, men_@_arms, we know that renouncing PR is a possibility, and maybe Bear could either confirm or disprove that. On the safe side, let's look at the possibility of you entering NS.
kopiosatu's got it pretty spot-on there. In BMT, what you're going to get is a bunch of bewildered recruits, with maybe a couple with enough of their wits about them to get the rest of the guys organised. As such, they're not really going to have the time to discriminate. However, there are a couple of other things that you do need to look out for, and I'm writing this as a description of the situation without reference to your personality or abilities - that's something for later. Yun's already covered the important stuff, and the objective of my post is to cover practical survival skills in BMT.
First and foremost, you need to be a team player (as cliched as the term sounds). Be alert and always make a point to know what you're supposed to be doing. Everybody's in the same boat and most of the everything that you do requires everyone to work together, so if someone isn't on the same page as everybody else and things go wrong, whoever dropped the ball is going to cop it from the other guys.
Second, it's not a very intellectual environment - talk about anything other than what's at hand and chances are that you'll be pegged as a gobby git. Referring back to the first point, focus upon what's "right here, right now", and you'll be OK. In the unlikely situation that there's nothing for you to do, keep an eye out to see if anybody needs a hand with anything - for example, if a bunch of guys from your platoon are tasked to move some funiture/equipment and you happen to be available to help, jump in and help moving even though you weren't asked. It comes back to the team player thing: do what you can to help make things easier for everyone and you're guaranteed to get a lot of friends.
Coming back to the lack of an intellectual environment, learn to speak the language. I'm not talking about Hokkien, I'm talking about the issues that are of immediate concern to the guys around you. Don't intellectualise it, but instead translate everything into actions that can be carried out immediately or within the constraints of the situation. That's the language that all recruits speak - practical solutions to the problem at hand. If it's too conceptual rather than concrete, or if the suggestions are too vague of impossible to carry out, they're just going to tune out because it does not offer them hope of solving the problem.
Perhaps your biggest concern will be the principle in BMT of breaking you down before building you up. You will be harangued, teased and insulted, but don't take it personally. The object is to level out differences between the recruits and then mould them into an integrated unit, and it will be done through equal-opportunity discrimination. At the end of the day, the quickest way of getting people off your back is to focus on what's been covered in the three paragraphs above.
Remember one basic working principle: the nail that sticks out will be hammered in. Be the "gray man" and blend into the background - if you either fail to pull your weight or try to be the hero (which I doubt you'll be motivated to do, but it requires mention nonetheless), you will be noticed, and attention is the last thing you could possibly want.
This next one is a tall order: don't whinge and moan, and don't lose your temper. Like I said, everybody's in the same boat and they've got to grit their teeth and bear it. The last thing they want to hear is someone else's complaint. As far as everyone else is concerned, the only thing to justifiably lose your temper about is something that affects everybody, not just yourself. Again, it comes back to the team player issue.
Remember, what you've got here is a bunch of guys who are very unwillingly lumped together and required to work as a team. Nobody's happy about it (although probably to a lesser extent than yourself), but everybody's just trying to make it through. It's a very Darwinian environment and if you're a a team player, your ethnicity will not be an issue and as a bonus, you'll make some fast friends.
I know that the above is a tall order, but it's coming from someone who had to learn it, and learn it right quick. I got dragged kicking and screaming into NS (yes, kopi, you do need your head checked - $142 for professional consultation services please! ), didn't know the meaning of being a team player, thought much more in conceptual than concrete terms, and whinged nonstop. Thankfully for myself, there were a few guys who did the same thing more obviously than I did and ended up at the bottom of the food chain, so I managed to vicariously learn what not to do. Right now, especially with the luxury of time, I'd encourage you to do the same. -
Yeah all right. I will take it positively. THanks
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just be invisible lor. Just do what is needed to be done, don't volunteer, that is one sure way to stand out. And trust me u won't want to stand out unless u want to become an officer.
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Originally posted by men_@_arms:Yeah all right. I will take it positively. THanks
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Its the same everywhere..racism...but I gotta say that its not that serious here in SIngapore...at least you seldom find a white walking on the street and got beaten up for nothing as it happens in other parts of the world.Originally posted by men_@_arms:Why should things be different in NS,,, or uni? Or any other organisation here? You people as a culture do not want to mix with anyone out of the ordinary. You people do not want to talk to me by choice, unless it is of necessity, you people only want to talk to your own kind and mix with your own. That is what I have come to believe in, the need for purity. I dont believe white people are accepted fully by locals, look at your flaming posts, look at my alienation from locals. I am really confused. NOTHING bothers me, I can do anything, what bothers me is the isolation from people, it is seriously not healthy... I just hope you few are right when you say the army is different.
NS is tough...especially BMT cause you havent got to know anything which happens there yet...but worry not...those Singaporeans standing beside you is going thru the same phrase as you are...Getting grounded by those PCs and PSs...but one thing for sure is that...unless you are damm bloody cocky or have Attitude Problem...those guys with you will actually be good buddies...After the 3 mths....everything else is a breeze... -
KNN lah sibei ah gua leh this one. Just serve like all of us and F**k off after the 2 or 2.5 years. U think we enjoy doing it meh? U think only u have problems?
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Ay, yen dao eh, ler si peh dua kee meh? Ler si mi unit lai eh? Guards? NDU? CDO? SOF? Ler mai lai ji dao hao lian hor.
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hahaha..... ciam man..
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Pay no heed, m@a - it's always the little people who feel a need to talk themselves into a larger size.