How do you feel about The United States?
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That was an error on the part of the US forces. I doubt they even wanted to shoot down aircraft belonging to friendly forces.Originally posted by lwflee:And being an ally of the US is dangerous too. They even shot down a british plane in kuwait. Its nice to have all their fire power as support, but imo, you better be miles away when their support comes. -
haha, i pretty dislike the idea of America being Taiwan's pillar... urgh...
And i wonder.... have the Iraq war been ended officially? granted them freedom, so it's time to go back home isnt it.. -
the americans will prolly stay as long as there are insurgents
its like the bar or chit chat forum
the trolls and clones will stay as long as sumone else in power....
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If the USA weren't Taiwan's pillar, there would be nobody willing to stand up to China's backyard-bully attitude.Originally posted by badzilla:haha, i pretty dislike the idea of America being Taiwan's pillar... urgh... -
heh, the truth is: Taiwan is part of China, the fact had never changed... Why has it got to do with USA? Not as if they are a part of Asia or anything. US kaypoh lar, everything want to meddle.Originally posted by iveco:If the USA weren't Taiwan's pillar, there would be nobody willing to stand up to China's backyard-bully attitude. -
Taiwan is part of China as in being part of Chinese culture and everything else
Question will arise as to whether Taiwan is under China sovereignty. -
Taiwan is Taiwan while China is China. These two are as distinct as Russia and Belarus.Originally posted by badzilla:heh, the truth is: Taiwan is part of China, the fact had never changed... Why has it got to do with USA? Not as if they are a part of Asia or anything. US kaypoh lar, everything want to meddle. -
study China's history lar..Originally posted by iveco:Taiwan is Taiwan while China is China. These two are as distinct as Russia and Belarus. -
Back after the World War, there wasnt a single dominating government. The communist were fighting the Kuomintangs.
After which communist established themselves in mainland China, and Kuomintang in Taiwan. If the communists claim Taiwan as their own because they are now the so called legal ruler of China in Beijing, the Kuomintang also can call themselves the legitimate government of all China because a) they were the next government after the Qing Government, b) the communists takeover was a subversion. -
Read Ah Lau's post then report back to me.Originally posted by badzilla:study China's history lar.. -
Indeed.Originally posted by iveco:If the USA weren't Taiwan's pillar, there would be nobody willing to stand up to China's backyard-bully attitude. -
Actually, the prediction China will become a possible regional bully is actually being realised.
Look at how they handle the dispute with Japan, and how they handle the Taiwan issues.
It wasnt on a level between two sovereignty or two equal parties.
Reminds me of the time Malaysia said we are their little brother and we should listen to them. -
But Japan refused to learn from Germany and accept its guilt for its role in WWII .Originally posted by laurence82:Actually, the prediction China will become a possible regional bully is actually being realised.
Look at how they handle the dispute with Japan, and how they handle the Taiwan issues.
It wasnt on a level between two sovereignty or two equal parties.
Reminds me of the time Malaysia said we are their little brother and we should listen to them. -
This is one very good example of history being distorted by the victors.And karma revisited them in the form of the Japanese textbook whitewashing.Originally posted by laurence82:Back after the World War, there wasnt a single dominating government. The communist were fighting the Kuomintangs.
After which communist established themselves in mainland China, and Kuomintang in Taiwan. If the communists claim Taiwan as their own because they are now the so called legal ruler of China in Beijing, the Kuomintang also can call themselves the legitimate government of all China because a) they were the next government after the Qing Government, b) the communists takeover was a subversion.
The KMT is the sole legitimate ruler of China.The only reason why they gave up the claim is due to the unteneble position of not being able to enforce their claim to China, and a shift in attitudes towards developing Taiwan as a state in her own right.
Surely no one will want Estonia and Latvia to be returned to Russia?The only difference here is the time frame of seperation.Taiwan has been separate long enough, let's face it, it takes a greater statesman to think ahead for the long-term prosperity and peaceful future for NorthEast Asia than anyone found in the CCP right now.
Take a step back, let the status quo remain, give Taiwan her independance, secure a lasting and true partnership with her, as she would be more willing to trust and work with you no.Stabilize the region,in the form of two strong and less belligerent Chinese states.
Those who wish a reunification, even on adverse terms, are myopic and do not care about peace and stability. -
Japan is guilty in that sense, but that doesn't give China the right to throw her weight around in any other matters.Letting your protesters burn Japanese shops as a form of foreign policy is unbecoming of a giant.Originally posted by iveco:But Japan refused to learn from Germany and accept its guilt for its role in WWII .
These protesters will one day seek to protest against something else, but she will clamp down on them, because it is unendorsed and unpatriotic in her eyes.Sound familiar? -
Actually, sumtimes i wonder if they are really apologetic.Originally posted by iveco:But Japan refused to learn from Germany and accept its guilt for its role in WWII .
At one time, they apologise. At the other time, they do some other funny stuff.
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Even if not adverse terms, doesnt means it will be all well and peaceful.Originally posted by LazerLordz:This is one very good example of history being distorted by the victors.And karma revisited them in the form of the Japanese textbook whitewashing.
The KMT is the sole legitimate ruler of China.The only reason why they gave up the claim is due to the unteneble position of not being able to enforce their claim to China, and a shift in attitudes towards developing Taiwan as a state in her own right.
Surely no one will want Estonia and Latvia to be returned to Russia?The only difference here is the time frame of seperation.Taiwan has been separate long enough, let's face it, it takes a greater statesman to think ahead for the long-term prosperity and peaceful future for NorthEast Asia than anyone found in the CCP right now.
Take a step back, let the status quo remain, give Taiwan her independance, secure a lasting and true partnership with her, as she would be more willing to trust and work with you no.Stabilize the region,in the form of two strong and less belligerent Chinese states.
Those who wish a reunification, even on adverse terms, are myopic and do not care about peace and stability.
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At least HKers can still take to the streets and protest if they want liberal democracy. Can we even do that?Originally posted by laurence82:Even if not adverse terms, doesnt means it will be all well and peaceful.
And i am sad for the Hong Kongers.
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But results? Like us, they prolly wont get it.Originally posted by iveco:At least HKers can still take to the streets and protest if they want liberal democracy. Can we even do that? -
this bar forum right.. no? pai seh.
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They can take to the streets in protest if they feel the leadership is farked up because they have no equivalent of the draconian ISA that we have. HK spent more years ruled from London, so their society is more open than ours.Originally posted by laurence82:But results? Like us, they prolly wont get it.
A side note, it was a mistake on our part to join MYsia back in 1963 just to get the Queen off our backs. I wouldn't mind if SG became independent of British rule last night with CSJ as our inaugural PM because it would mean our standards of human rights are already quite high and this liberal tradition will be set to carry on into the future. -
Of course its a mistake (i hope so anyway). Point is, its still scary to fight alongside them.Originally posted by iveco:That was an error on the part of the US forces. I doubt they even wanted to shoot down aircraft belonging to friendly forces. -
If CSJ is our PM, i die fast enough due to lack of healthcare. No time to worry for democracy...Originally posted by iveco:They can take to the streets in protest if they feel the leadership is farked up because they have no equivalent of the draconian ISA that we have. HK spent more years ruled from London, so their society is more open than ours.
A side note, it was a mistake on our part to join MYsia back in 1963 just to get the Queen off our backs. I wouldn't mind if SG became independent of British rule last night with CSJ as our inaugural PM because it would mean our standards of human rights are already quite high and this liberal tradition will be set to carry on into the future. -
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Ya...i really really hate Lee Kwan Yew for removing our right to appeal to the UK's privy council. Those judges dun take shit from the government. I was really proud of them when they effectively told Tony Blair to stuff his terrorism laws and that the greatest threat to britiain was not terrorism. Rather, it is the institution of draconian laws in response to terrorism.Originally posted by iveco:They can take to the streets in protest if they feel the leadership is farked up because they have no equivalent of the draconian ISA that we have. HK spent more years ruled from London, so their society is more open than ours.
A side note, it was a mistake on our part to join MYsia back in 1963 just to get the Queen off our backs. I wouldn't mind if SG became independent of British rule last night with CSJ as our inaugural PM because it would mean our standards of human rights are already quite high and this liberal tradition will be set to carry on into the future.
Sigh...