Kill or be Killed (an Abortion Story)
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So u are encouraging abortion? Since u are stil with ur gf, i wonder how did u become such an unfeeling man? Lets see how are u going to deal with ur gf feelings. Mayb not now, but in the future, the baby will sure come and haunt ur gf..... and of cos u!! Now lets see u take responsibility for tt???Originally posted by Hoplite:those anti abortionists are so predictable and boring.
yes you respect my point of view. thank you.
not everyone does.
why do i post it? seems like lately there has been a large spate of teen pregnancies and i wanna lend my support to all those out there facing it.
need an abortion? just DO it. The longer you wait the more difficult it is.
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i think it's not right to abort a life...
BUT
that's my opinion... he and his girl have the right to do what they think is right and live with the consequences...
if he and his girl are willing to shoulder them, anyone who tries to force their morality on them are just bigots, plain and simple... and they are no better than the nutcase pro-lifer who gun down doctors... just different shades.. -
Originally posted by Hoplite:boo hoo! like i am SOOO scared!
THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN TO YOUR FIRST CHILD YOU FUCKING TWAT NEXT TIME YOU CAN SHOW HIS SIBLINGS WHAT HAPPEN TO THEIR BROTHER THE LEAST YOU CAN DO IS DUMP THE GIRL AND LET HER GIVE BIRTH -
that's guilt, not a ghost.Originally posted by shaunlaw:So u are encouraging abortion? Since u are stil with ur gf, i wonder how did u become such an unfeeling man? Lets see how are u going to deal with ur gf feelings. Mayb not now, but in the future, the baby will sure come and haunt ur gf..... and of cos u!! Now lets see u take responsibility for tt???
i would gladly have gone for the abortion myself, unfortunately that's not possible. i'm not unfeeling, i am just being logical.
i am making this post to encourage others in a situation like my own to come forward and make the intelligent decision and not listen to bigots like yourself. -
oh that is so very mature, twat.Originally posted by i am twat:THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN TO YOUR FIRST CHILD YOU FUCKING TWAT NEXT TIME YOU CAN SHOW HIS SIBLINGS WHAT HAPPEN TO THEIR BROTHER THE LEAST YOU CAN DO IS DUMP THE GIRL AND LET HER GIVE BIRTH
dumping the girl in such a situation is what some one as irresponsible as yourself would do i suppose. the problem is mine and hers, so we will work together to solve it.
we might get married sometime in the future, but it will be at a time when we are both ready. not now.
how about i save the aborted fetus and serve it to you for dinner?
it is supposedly really good for your health.
http://www.abortiontv.com/AbortedBabiesSoldAsHealthFood.htm -
thank you Bear,
i made this post with the hope that we could be mature about this and discuss this logically and not resort into name calling and cursing and various strange superstitions.
unfortunately, many of the members here do not possess that level of maturity. having said that, let the games begin!
I wish to make a proposal which is long overdue. For twenty-three years we have recognized the right of women to do with their bodies and their fetuses as they see fit. For twenty-three years we have provided regular ammunition to the so-called "Right to Life" anti-abortion movement for their hysterical and completely superstitious campaign to ban abortion. We have provided their sensational campaign ammunition by treating aborted fetuses as though they were indeed dead babies -- we have disposed of them furtively in burial sites and through incineration -- wasted incredibly valuable substances in the process.
Now at last scientists are waking up to the fact that we have an valuable natural resource here, going to waste -- namely fetal tissue and fetal organs which have great value for curative purposes. But my proposal goes beyond the suggestions of research doctors who see the day when "fetus farming" will not only benefit the population, both young and old, but also profit mothers who otherwise have little to show for their efforts after an abortion. My proposal involves a method for using nearly all the tissue of all the fetuses being aborted.
My proposal is not without precedent. In fact, as far back as the eighteenth century a little known author published a pamphlet entitled, "A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Children of the Poor People in Ireland from being a Burden to their Parents or Country; and for making them beneficial to their Publick". The title and its contents approaches many of the same ideals I would like to put forth. Since the society of the time was not enlightened enough to act on the proposals suggested, no rights or patents of any kind were ever taken out. I therefore have design and process patents pending on most of the particulars outlined below and any use of them without permission of this writer will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law which protects against such barbarism.
Assuming the smooth progression of the humane and democratic currents which have brought our nation so far in the last decades, I do not doubt but what we will soon be using organs and tissue from the unborn not only to cure Alzheimer's and other degenerative diseases, but to extend life for helpless babies which might otherwise die cruel deaths. As doctors have already pointed out, healthy organs are likely to be available soon from fetuses born with severe malformities and terminated after birth. Although the extremists argue this would be ethically unacceptable,
it is obviously a quibble to distinguish between a baby born at thirty-six weeks and a fetus unborn at thirty-six weeks. It is clearly legal to terminate the latter, and so it will no doubt become legal to terminate the former. Nobel prize winner Crick is on record with the proposal that we not treat babies as humans until each proves to have sufficiently high intelligence. Since he is now in charge of the Human Genome Project, there is little doubt that he will implement that policy at the first opportunity. Soon, it is to expected, not only will organs be available from sub-human post-fetuses ( I prefer this term for its lack of sentimental associations) terminated soon after birth, but even organs from mentally or physically handicapped matured-fetuses will also be available.
On the one hand all this sounds like great riches for healers pledged to save lives, but from another standpoint it still indicates potential for great waste. The disposal of unwanted tissues has always been a problem for hospitals and clinics. In the early days of abortion, particularly, anti-abortion radicals got a great deal of press coverage over a few incidents where the disposal of fetal materials was not carried out efficiently or discreetly. Times have changed somewhat, it is true, and now many citizens realize that abortion is not something to be ashamed of, nor its products necessarily something to be secretly disposed of. European cosmetic manufacturers, for instance, and even some American firms are using fetal collagen in their hair-enrichening shampoos and skin-enrichening face creams. Be this as it may, an incredible mass of fetal tissue is harvested by the hospitals and clinics of our nation and something ought to be done to properly utilize, not only those parts which are coming to be thought of as valuable, but the whole of the aborted fetus.
I believe I am the first scientist in our times to propose the utilization of fetal tissues for food. The nutritional value of the fetus is obvious to anyone. It is human protien, though of course, the fetus isn't human. Nevertheless, the amino acids, the protiens which compose the fetus are the very ones the human body can best use. How sad that our government has spent money perfecting ideal foods for such things as the space program when a tube of concentrated fetal protien would do the job so much better. Research has led me to propose we open canning factories in conjunction with abortion units carrying out four thousand or more abortions per year. (Central facilities could then be opened for the raw materials from those doing fewer than four thousand abortions).
The optimum method of preparation would be simply canning. The fetal tissue including placental material* would be received only if transshipped within four hours of its removal. The tissue would be washed and canned then cooked under high pressure in ways the meat-canning industry has already perfected with other sorts of meat.** In the event that market research should indicate some reluctance on the part of the consumer to consume the meat in its whole state, further processing approaches would be used, such as the puree process, or sausage-making. Even fresh products -- some of the choicer cuts or burger might be sold if refrigeration and packaging were found economically feasible. The whole products would contain very little bone, of course, and canning would soften any cartilages. Perhaps with a gradual introduction, whole fetus meat, which would be cheaper to produce would become acceptable to the public. I remember as a boy being startled at first to see whole sardines and kippers, bones and all, in the cans my mother brought home from the super market. Gradually, however, I came to enjoy them.
I feel confident that my proposal, although it will require government subsidy at the research and initial stages, will eventually prove economically profitable. It is possible that the final outcome might include cheaper abortions -- or even profits for the women involved!
After long thought, I have hit upon a trademark and name. The trademark would include a healthy-looking painting of a fetal face (After abortion the real thing is seldom as lovely as the ideal) resembling the cheerful ones seen on baby food and equipment advertisements. The only difference would be two small black X's painted in place of the eyes. The trade name I propose, in honor of Jonathan Swift, who must be credited with the original conception, is "Modest Meats". Our slogan might be "Modest Meats -- What the modern man eats". -
alas my friend before you spokeOriginally posted by AzRaeL:at last! someone who thinks.
i think that they should make the pill more widely and easily available.
there was a condom but the condom broke. -
The misconception that abortion causes infertility comes from the days before abortion was legal. Back then, the problematic "back alley" conditions under which the procedure was performed did, at times, lead to infertility (and even death). Now, however, having an abortion is an extremely safe procedure. In some countries, abortion is used as a form of birth control, and women continue to get pregnant after as many as 20 abortions.
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hoplite, i'm catholic...
although i will not do nor condone what you have decided to do, it is still your choice and your right to do it...
and i'll be damned if i keep silent about anyone who tries to force their morality on anyone else...
as for your "fetus-eating" i don't think so... -
ah! it never changes, always the same faces. Ha ha ha!
always the antiabortionists screaming bloody murder. I wonder if there is another tune they can sing.
anyway dude, here's a link you might find useful
http://www.prochoiceconnection.com/ -
hahhah Hoplite has a really dark sense of humor.Originally posted by the Bear:hoplite, i'm catholic...
although i will not do nor condone what you have decided to do, it is still your choice and your right to do it...
and i'll be damned if i keep silent about anyone who tries to force their morality on anyone else...
as for your "fetus-eating" i don't think so...
i LIKE!!!!!
You're pretty open minded for a catholic.
i'm usually in it for the fun of the arguments.
I hate it when someone comes here trying to offer help for others in the same situation and the regular bunch pops in and does the regular...dead baby posts.
Anyway, Hoplite, good luck with your ordeal and get on the fucking pill!
another good link http://www.prochoice.org -
20 ABORTIONS!!!! holy cow!!!Originally posted by Hoplite:The misconception that abortion causes infertility comes from the days before abortion was legal. Back then, the problematic "back alley" conditions under which the procedure was performed did, at times, lead to infertility (and even death). Now, however, having an abortion is an extremely safe procedure. In some countries, abortion is used as a form of birth control, and women continue to get pregnant after as many as 20 abortions.
dont some people EVER learn? -
there is only one tune they can sing
but that tune is poignant enough
let's hope they don't sing any other tune
fact of the matter is that life is precious. one moment u reccomend that they experiment on aborted fetus, another moment they'll start experimenting on under-priveledged people who have no power to object.
and i personally believe that life starts even before the baby is delivered. scientific fact that babies can actually 'see' and 'hear' while still in the womb. that's why its so common to see guys talking to their wives' bellies when they're pregnant.
in no way can i say that abortion is the right thing to do. but we can't always afford to do the right thing. therefore, please stop hurling ur disgusting pictures here. we all know what its about, but what has to be done has to be done. -
simple isn't it?
just because people think they are right, it does not give them the right to cram it down my throat...
if they don't want others interfering with their lives, they bloody jolly well NOT interfere with other people's...
in the Good Book, they call these people Pharisees and hypocrites...Originally posted by AzRaeL:
hahhah Hoplite has a really dark sense of humor.
i LIKE!!!!!
You're pretty open minded for a catholic.
i'm usually in it for the fun of the arguments.
I hate it when someone comes here trying to offer help for others in the same situation and the regular bunch pops in and does the regular...dead baby posts.
Anyway, Hoplite, good luck with your ordeal and get on the fu[b]cking pill!
another good link http://www.prochoice.org[/b] -
wanna know something very ironic?Originally posted by the Bear:simple isn't it?
just because people think they are right, it does not give them the right to cram it down my throat...
if they don't want others interfering with their lives, they bloody jolly well NOT interfere with other people's...
in the Good Book, they call these people Pharisees and hypocrites...
my dad is a Pastor *LOL* -
THAT's a big misconception. its safe now, but mishaps do still happen. and not every woman's body is designed to cope with the stress of the sudden loss of the life being formed in it. i know people (actually just 1 person) who became infertile after a hospital abortion.Originally posted by Hoplite:The misconception that abortion causes infertility comes from the days before abortion was legal. Back then, the problematic "back alley" conditions under which the procedure was performed did, at times, lead to infertility (and even death). Now, however, having an abortion is an extremely safe procedure. In some countries, abortion is used as a form of birth control, and women continue to get pregnant after as many as 20 abortions.
and my chinese tutor is the most ke lian one. she had an abortion before. and now that she's married and trying to have kids, her first pregnancy ended in miscarriage after 7 months. the grief was totally indescribable. u should have heard her digging up all that old stuff to lament about and all the guilt that resurfaced after all these years and how she kept crying that it wasn't worth it and that she's a bad mom and she wished she could change what happened before. -
i have seen far more lives ruined by unwanted kids.
my best friend wanted to be a lawyer but now she's stuck as a clerk in a law firm because she had to quit school to take care of her kid.
her life revolves around working and taking care of her son. She said this:
i used to be against abortions...just ask me again what i think of abortions. Oh boy i would!!!!! -
liar liar pants on fireOriginally posted by Hoplite:alas my friend before you spoke
there was a condom but the condom broke.
condoms don't break -
maybe he used one manufactured in 1984 or something?Originally posted by AzRaeL:liar liar pants on fire
condoms don't break -
after read through all the replies, it seem that there are ppl disagree n agree on abortion.... well, in my view, it's own decision to decide what to do with it...abort or give birth. hmm.. why care abt others opinon n why ask ard?
eg: if someone claim that abortion get u the bad name of being irresponsible, munderer etc. then u bring the innocent child to world but if u cant support him/her, cannot givehim/her a good life, arent is his/her turn to say dad/mum are failed parent?
if you get abortion, of course there are many things u had to face. the guilt, effects after abortion etc...
so its ur life, ur own decision, ur responsibility... there no point to ask opinon from others. -
How are u be logical and feeling at the same time?Originally posted by Hoplite:that's guilt, not a ghost.
i would gladly have gone for the abortion myself, unfortunately that's not possible. i'm not unfeeling, i am just being logical.
i am making this post to encourage others in a situation like my own to come forward and make the intelligent decision and not listen to bigots like yourself. -
Amazing, simply amazing, Hoplite's "logic".
If I were to follow his line of kill or be killed reasoning, let's say some day I accidently ran him down with my car... and even though I can get him to hospital on time, because this would mean that I will have to foot his bill, and worse, might kenna ban from driving... kill or to be killed... If nobody has seen anything and I can get away for it without being caught, it is hence justifiable to drive away leaving him with his legs and back broken, lungs punctured and drowning in his own frothy blood on the middle of the road...who knows? To be run over by another car... great loss. Since he lives by this logic, I think he should, you know... not mind if he dies by it as well.
So we all know who we can hit and run and not feel bad about it ok? Cool.
Why not? Being logical wat.
Kill or to be killed wat. Utterly inane and weak reasoning... as if it was the baby's fault that he/she came into their lives... no. If their futures are to be ruined, the parents only have themselves to blame. -
hey hoplite at first i tot u were in this forum to spill out ur sorrow ... but i realised that u r here to preach abt abort.. first of u understand hokkien i need to tell u this Kanina BU eh pua Chee bye..... u r one fu.ckin as.shole who is a coward to face the music and went to abort a life ...and to cover ur guilt u appear to be gung-ho and bravo.. if im not wrong theres a sour in ur heart but u dun dare to admit.. hey Hoplite the hopless life, if u have to fuc.king guts to face the consequences then pls dun fuc.k.. u maybe gd in talking ur gf in abortin a life but is there a inner peace inside her i dun think so... for a murderer to sleep in peace difficult lah.. ok dun act hero and say u love her so much tats y u ask her to abort the baby... as i always said ur actions does not justify or prove tat u love her.. DONT GIVE LOVE A BAD NAME
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If I'm hoplite's child, I rather die then to have him as a father. So maybe he did the right thing...
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so, if your father is now a wifebeating child abuser, you'll go commit suicide?Originally posted by Moosmooer:If I'm hoplite's child, I rather die then to have him as a father. So maybe he did the right thing...