Using religion for sex
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Just to share some thoughts. I've got Christian friends. I even went to church a few times, to see what it's like.
I think they're pretty fun people. They also have a sense of purpose in life - which is more than I can say for most of the Singaporeans I know.
And they have faith. Faith can be defined as belief without material evidence. However, I don't believe that anyone should mock faith - it takes a lot of courage for faith to exist, for you to believe in something others feel do not exist at all. Of course, it also depends on what is being claimed - no one should have faith in the claim that I have a pink dragon under my bed.
They want me to be a Christian, not because anyone told them to - but because they genuinely care, and believe that it would bring a better life for me. I appreciated that very much - it's not often that a friend would worry about not just your life - but your afterlife too!
They wonder why I would not agree.
I explained. I was bothered by the fact that non-Christians would go to Hell, even if they lived the life of a saint. My mother is a good and honest person, who worked long and hard to bring me up the best she could. I don't believe she deserves to go to Hell for merely not believing something.
There must be millions who have never heard of Christianity - if they all went to Hell, you can't blame me for being bothered.
I'm not sure how I would spend eternity in Heaven either. I'm really not sure. Most of the time, I'm not even sure what to have for lunch.
Of course, I could be missing something and I could be totally, way wrong. I could burn in Hell really hard for saying all this. But I shall voice what I feel to be my legitimate concerns, anyway. -
Originally posted by summerain22:
How can u make a decision when u dont even know Him? You can't have any feelings abt someone u dont know. That's the point.
NOPE. I can BET you're quite wrong on this one. People CAN have feelings for someone they don't know. Sometimes when you THINK that you know that person, that person might not turn out to be who you THINK he / she is.... Do you KNOW that person? It CAN be that you DON'T know that person... And yup... You STILL CAN have feelings for him / her.... There're many more examples I can give to you... But forgive me, I'm a lazy devil....
That is why Christians are always trying to introduce Him to their friends, so that they too can share it with us. If they dont, then fair enough, it is their choice. All we want is to give everyone a chance to choose.
Hmm... And can they CHOOSE not to know him?
I know telling you this can be quite redundant and it probably won't be a good example anyway... But have you ever been asked (or seen people being asked) to try out a food...? No matter how you say "don't want"... The person would just continue... TRY lah... TRY lah.... In the end, you / he / she did.... They split out the food the moment they had it in their mouth...?
I want to let you know a truth for now. I don't hold anything much against Christians. Just as much as you want people to open up their thoughts to GOD. You have to open up your thoughts to theirs too... No matter how GOOD you THINK a food might taste... It might not taste the same when it comes into another person's mouth.... Hope you'll take no offence...?
What do u mean everyhting else has no meaning? Are u saying that christians lead meaningless lives? If u do, then u are so wrong.
Nope. I didn't mean that. Christians probably are very much capable of leading a meaning and happy life... 2 VERY SIMPLE reasons being that...
1. They're on EARTH.
2. Meaning is defined by a person himself / herself. If you find 'meaning' in something, you probably WOULD.
I was so empty before i became a christian. I was like so many other people in this world, lost. Now, i know the meaning of life. And what true happiness means. I have found happiness beyond any measure.
Nope. Let me correct you on something though you can choose not to agree with me? True happiness is not equivalent to 'meaning of life'.
And like you, the ONCE 'very lost and empty' soul. There're OTHERS who have found 'true happiness' or 'meaning in life' by becoming 'other things'... Not necessarily a Christian. And I'm not doubting the ability for one to find 'true happiness' or 'meaning of life' by becoming a Christian. It's just how you defines it? Not to equilibrate the two, but even a person who decides to give up on everything and take drugs till the day he / she dies can find 'true happiness'.... As far as he / she is concerned?
What do u mean by we lost our freedom? What freedom? You're implying that Christians have no freedom? That is so wrong. We are not FORCED to live any kind of life, nor restricted.
That's because you're still living on Earth?
You can do whatever u please, but we CHOOSE to live a life for God. Its hard to explain.
Don't have to explain... Hmm... Newtonian thinking? Though it has been shown NOT to be of the ABSOLUTE, but its existence.... Not to be belittled....
But we have this wonderful PERSONAL relationship with him, and when u have found that kind of love.. i dont know.. but i juz wanna get this straight. We have not lost freedom in any way!! What kind of freedom are u talking abt? Freedom to do drugs? Drink?
God never forces anyone to do anything. If u wanna do it, u can. You will always have the freedom to choose. Calm down... You've not lost your freedom and ability to SIN.... Christians are just HUMANS.... Remember the beginning of our conversation...? I said Christians are ONLY humans... That's why you can't blame them for making the 'mistakes'.... That's why not yet a 'reflection of god'.... And part of his family....
It pisse$ me off when ppl think that christians are prudes, who dont know how to have fun. We do!!
I never say you don't? You DO.... You're humans too... TOO HUMAN.... -
NOPE. I can BET you're quite wrong on this one. People CAN have feelings for someone they don't know. Sometimes when you THINK that you know that person, that person might not turn out to be who you THINK he / she is.... Do you KNOW that person? It CAN be that you DON'T know that person... And yup... You STILL CAN have feelings for him / her.... There're many more examples I can give to you... But forgive me, I'm a lazy devil....
Err.. sorry, but I totally did not get a word u just said. Except for the part where u think u know someone, but u might not.Hmm... And can they CHOOSE not to know him? I know telling you this can be quite redundant and it probably won't be a good example anyway... But have you ever been asked (or seen people being asked) to try out a food...? No matter how you say "don't want"... The person would just continue... TRY lah... TRY lah.... In the end, you / he / she did.... They split out the food the moment they had it in their mouth...?
Of course they can choose!! I mean, say after bringing some friends to church a few times and they decide that they still dont wanna be Christian. That's fine. In the end, they CAN choose. No one's gonna point a gun to their head and force them to convert.
Or perhaps u mean that we force people to get to know Him? We dont force anyone. If u're really persistent abt something, would anything really change ur mind?
And, if u dont try, u never know. Abt the food thing, well, at least u now know what it tastes like, even if u dont like it. At the most, just dont eat it again. Or, the same type of food can be cooked differently. Perhaps u just didnt like that style of cooking? Just like how different churches are different, although they are all Christian churches?I want to let you know a truth for now. I don't hold anything much against Christians. Just as much as you want people to open up their thoughts to GOD. You have to open up your thoughts to theirs too... No matter how GOOD you THINK a food might taste... It might not taste the same when it comes into another person's mouth.... Hope you'll take no offence...?
Yeahhh.. but exactly, u never know till u try!! When u eat something reallyyyy delicious, wouldnt u say to ur friends, "You've gotta try this!!" We just wanna share our experience. If they dont want to, we respect their choice.Nope. I didn't mean that. Christians probably are very much capable of leading a meaning and happy life... 2 VERY SIMPLE reasons being that...
1. They're on EARTH.
2. Meaning is defined by a person himself / herself. If you find 'meaning' in something, you probably WOULD.
Totally dont get u again. What do u mean its because they're on earth? Meaning that as long as u're on earth, u'll lead a meaningful life?Nope. Let me correct you on something though you can choose not to agree with me? True happiness is not equivalent to 'meaning of life'.
I did not imply that.That's because you're still living on Earth?
What is with the whole 'living on earth' thing?! Pls enlighten me.Calm down... You've not lost your freedom and ability to SIN.... Christians are just HUMANS.... Remember the beginning of our conversation...? I said Christians are ONLY humans... That's why you can't blame them for making the 'mistakes'.... That's why not yet a 'reflection of god'.... And part of his family....
Erm, i agree with wat u said, except for the last part. All Christians are part of God's family.
Oh, and as a side note, I dont need to calm down cos Im not worked up. =) And I know u dont have anything against Christians. -
After reading the above posts, I can't help but wonder why in this cosmopolitian place, with so many religions around, there are still such narrow-minded people around?
No offense to anyone, but why is it that Christians, and non-Christians alike cannot view religions from a different perspective other than their own(religious wise)?
Have we ever think back, to the time where most religions begun >2000 thousand years ago. Ever wondered why when both Islam and Christianity both advocates that there is only one GOD, but yet the inability of these two religions to coexist together has been the cause of much hatred, even to this very day? Islam has its voice in the Prophet Mohammed, while for Christianity, Jesus Christ. So much similarity yet so different.
It makes me think, what IF, GOD had wanted to reach out to people people through different approach. We won't know, will we ever...
I am neither a Christian nor a Muslim, so I can't say I am right in my references to either one or both religions. i apologise for any insensitivities caused inadvertently. I just hope people would view other religions differently, "OUT of the BOX" so as to speak.
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i agree with everything u've said. i for one, don't really agree with stuff like street evanglism and stuff like that, why? cause i know i won't be anxious, i won't care, i cannot honestly say i care for every tom dick and harry in this planet. but i am, very concerned about the life, and afterlife of my friends, thats where my passion lies, to do so otherwise, i am just living a lie, just to do what the church wants.Originally posted by Icefalcon:Just to share some thoughts. I've got Christian friends. I even went to church a few times, to see what it's like.
I think they're pretty fun people. They also have a sense of purpose in life - which is more than I can say for most of the Singaporeans I know.
And they have faith. Faith can be defined as belief without material evidence. However, I don't believe that anyone should mock faith - it takes a lot of courage for faith to exist, for you to believe in something others feel do not exist at all. Of course, it also depends on what is being claimed - no one should have faith in the claim that I have a pink dragon under my bed.
They want me to be a Christian, not because anyone told them to - but because they genuinely care, and believe that it would bring a better life for me. I appreciated that very much - it's not often that a friend would worry about not just your life - but your afterlife too!
They wonder why I would not agree.
I explained. I was bothered by the fact that non-Christians would go to Hell, even if they lived the life of a saint. My mother is a good and honest person, who worked long and hard to bring me up the best she could. I don't believe she deserves to go to Hell for merely not believing something.
There must be millions who have never heard of Christianity - if they all went to Hell, you can't blame me for being bothered.
I'm not sure how I would spend eternity in Heaven either. I'm really not sure. Most of the time, I'm not even sure what to have for lunch.
Of course, I could be missing something and I could be totally, way wrong. I could burn in Hell really hard for saying all this. But I shall voice what I feel to be my legitimate concerns, anyway.My mother is a good and honest person, who worked long and hard to bring me up the best she could. I don't believe she deserves to go to Hell for merely not believing something
i'm sure God is a just God, and a fair one. but does our eternal judgement, lies on good deeds? it is not so.. salvation does not lie in deeds, its not what we do that counts, its what was already done 2000 years ago that counts. the death of the Lamb, the only one thing that saves us. but what is promised in the bible is this, you and your household will be saved. i am willing to testify to that, i believe in it with all my heart, and it happened to my household, they are saved.
you can read my testimony in here.
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Originally posted by warspite:
Hahaha.. sorry, I just find it hilarious how in ur whole post, your tone is serious and formal, with proper english, and at the end, u suddenly add a "Dont flame me lah!!"
After reading the above posts, I can't help but wonder why in this cosmopolitian place, with so many religions around, there are still such narrow-minded people around?
No offense to anyone, but why is it that Christians, and non-Christians alike cannot view religions from a different perspective other than their own(religious wise)?
Have we ever think back, to the time where most religions begun >2000 thousand years ago. Ever wondered why when both Islam and Christianity both advocates that there is only one GOD, but yet the inability of these two religions to coexist together has been the cause of much hatred, even to this very day? Islam has its voice in the Prophet Mohammed, while for Christianity, Jesus Christ. So much similarity yet so different.
It makes me think, what [b]IF, GOD had wanted to reach out to people people through different approach. We won't know, will we ever...
I am neither a Christian nor a Muslim, so I can't say I am right in my references to either one or both religions. i apologise for any insensitivities caused inadvertently. I just hope people would view other religions differently, "OUT of the BOX" so as to speak.
Don't flame me lah!!!!!!!![/b]
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I am always wary of making christian friends cause you just have to doubt their sincerity.....most christian friends I had are ok but some only make friends with you just to make you join church.....I hated that...after you say you willing make friends and go out with them...and when they ask you join church and u said no..they stop being your friend and stop asking you out and the response was like "to hell with you"....thats some friend I make..I dont need such friends.....there was zero sincerity.....maybe christians should learn how to make friends without the 'joining church thing' hanging over the head...the feeling sucks.....sometimes they condemn other religions so much you feel like punching them...my catholic frd had to suffer constant abuse from this christian frd about God and all....i must say the catholics are more praiseworthy......I believe in God but not in the christian church movement....its too egoistic,too flashy,too cultish and too fake.......They are so proud and defensive about everything they do that it sucks.....if I wanna be a christian,i will only join for religious reasons like I believe in God or I need God etc and not for non-religious reasons like making friends,meeting girls,I am lonely,I am loss etc......come on....I hate the part of christians preying on people's lonliness or helplessness and making them christians when theya re most vulnerable....I will give christians 100 marks if they willing to help people when they most vulnerable and making friends when people most lonely
without asking the lonely and helpless to be christians after all the help given...thats like a business deal....like a deal devils make with people...they need to exchange something for something....Christians dont force?.....I dont know whether whats the right word....but they are sure persistent....calling your house all the time,approaching you on the streets,asking you join them for this and that with a condition "but must be a christian later". Some christians are hell of a aggressive and warlike but why they exist cause their damn churches and pastors encourage them and feed them with extreme and xenophobic ideas like "World domination for christians"....the wonder christians only have christian friends....cause they are so exclusive......so stuck up.....The idea of going to hell if you dont believe in Him is a good one...thousand of years ago.....this kind of clause will be useful to hoodwink and threathen poor,uneducated and superstitious folks to join the church or the pastor followers but maybe no longer in the modern world....people are not so easily threathen anymore or dumb enough to believe.....you add another clause like "No matter how evil you are in real life,as long as you believe in God,you got salvation"..that certainly add more people to the following...those evil but old and dying or guilty who believe their past deeds can just wash away like that...ask those waiting for revenge to believe in that.... and they will give u a middle finger -
I'm quite
how "some" christians force their religion onto people.
I gone through several similar response from some christian group that I met before. If you aren't christian or classified as heretics or pagan devotees, then you are not good enough to go join them. Even worse, if the ger you like is in these type of groups, then all your chances of wooing the ger is flushed down the drain into the abyss. These group will brainwash their members to believe that anyone that isn't their religion is pagan or heretics and not worth the time to be together for life. [That's when "they" take advantage on the gers in their groups.]
Some group of christian are good in heart and their believes that everyone is equal whether what religion they are in. -
Actually there is little difference between a christian and a non-christian.
Just that the christian is aware of the actual situtation, condition of his life and need for grace. -
there was a christian author who wrote that. Hmmm....can't recall.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Actually there is little difference between a christian and a non-christian.
Just that the christian is aware of the actual situtation, condition of his life and need for grace.
Theres actually a big difference. But only on what ground you want to discuss upon. -
Is lyk... Yes we christians do lyk to reach out to the people.. but we dun force them to come to church lo.. we encourage them lo... and for ur info.. me hav alot of non-christians frenz.. and our relationship are still veri good lo... so doesn mean u don come to church we dun "fren" u.... is lyk we still accept those who are non-christians... of the world population onli 30% are christians.... we don isolate ourselves n say "wah we are the holy 1 we dun mix ard with u".. Is lyk... u noe a cure for cancer, wont u tell every1 u noe... tat cure... n try to help them... wat are we doing is similar lo....to us we believe God bless us eternal life.... but we wont force those that dun believe.. but we will try our best to explain to them and let them feel the grace n love given by God (by bringing them to church where the presence of God is the strongest).. AND EVEN if they still dun believe in it, we wont say u dun believe in it... get lost.... no we don do tat lo.. if not i think all my non christians fren will leave me le lor...Originally posted by shazam:I am always wary of making christian friends cause you just have to doubt their sincerity.....most christian friends I had are ok but some only make friends with you just to make you join church.....I hated that...after you say you willing make friends and go out with them...and when they ask you join church and u said no..they stop being your friend and stop asking you out and the response was like "to hell with you"....thats some friend I make..I dont need such friends.....there was zero sincerity.....maybe christians should learn how to make friends without the 'joining church thing' hanging over the head...the feeling sucks.....sometimes they condemn other religions so much you feel like punching them...my catholic frd had to suffer constant abuse from this christian frd about God and all....i must say the catholics are more praiseworthy......I believe in God but not in the christian church movement....its too egoistic,too flashy,too cultish and too fake.......They are so proud and defensive about everything they do that it sucks.....if I wanna be a christian,i will only join for religious reasons like I believe in God or I need God etc and not for non-religious reasons like making friends,meeting girls,I am lonely,I am loss etc......come on....I hate the part of christians preying on people's lonliness or helplessness and making them christians when theya re most vulnerable....I will give christians 100 marks if they willing to help people when they most vulnerable and making friends when people most lonely
without asking the lonely and helpless to be christians after all the help given...thats like a business deal....like a deal devils make with people...they need to exchange something for something....Christians dont force?.....I dont know whether whats the right word....but they are sure persistent....calling your house all the time,approaching you on the streets,asking you join them for this and that with a condition "but must be a christian later". Some christians are hell of a aggressive and warlike but why they exist cause their damn churches and pastors encourage them and feed them with extreme and xenophobic ideas like "World domination for christians"....the wonder christians only have christian friends....cause they are so exclusive......so stuck up.....The idea of going to hell if you dont believe in Him is a good one...thousand of years ago.....this kind of clause will be useful to hoodwink and threathen poor,uneducated and superstitious folks to join the church or the pastor followers but maybe no longer in the modern world....people are not so easily threathen anymore or dumb enough to believe.....you add another clause like "No matter how evil you are in real life,as long as you believe in God,you got salvation"..that certainly add more people to the following...those evil but old and dying or guilty who believe their past deeds can just wash away like that...ask those waiting for revenge to believe in that.... and they will give u a middle finger -
As long as someone or something which exist around you is significant enough for you to bother to THINK about them, you'll PROBABLY have 'feelings' for them. Despite the fact of if you really know them. Not too difficult to happen.Originally posted by summerain22:Err.. sorry, but I totally did not get a word u just said. Except for the part where u think u know someone, but u might not.
Just in case you're kinda lost with this, this is in reference to :
How can u make a decision when u dont even know Him? You can't have any feelings abt someone u dont know. That's the point. That is why Christians are always trying to introduce Him to their friends, so that they too can share it with us. If they dont, then fair enough, it is their choice. All we want is to give everyone a chance to choose.
Of course they can choose!! I mean, say after bringing some friends to church a few times and they decide that they still dont wanna be Christian. That's fine. In the end, they CAN choose. No one's gonna point a gun to their head and force them to convert.
Or perhaps u mean that we force people to get to know Him? We dont force anyone. If u're really persistent abt something, would anything really change ur mind?
And, if u dont try, u never know. Abt the food thing, well, at least u now know what it tastes like, even if u dont like it. At the most, just dont eat it again. Or, the same type of food can be cooked differently. Perhaps u just didnt like that style of cooking? Just like how different churches are different, although they are all Christian churches?
Yeahhh.. but exactly, u never know till u try!! When u eat something reallyyyy delicious, wouldnt u say to ur friends, "You've gotta try this!!" We just wanna share our experience. If they dont want to, we respect their choice.
No offence. Not quite like what is happening now. I mean... Ok. Maybe situation SEEMS much better now. But would a Christian TRY attending a temple, praying to god idols with joss sticks...? Hmm... You never try you'll never know...? And like the Christian believe it, if you pray without FAITH... It WON'T work... 
Totally dont get u again. What do u mean its because they're on earth? Meaning that as long as u're on earth, u'll lead a meaningful life?
Nope. As long as you're on Earth it's POSSIBLE for you to find MEANING in life. You can find 'meaning' in heavens too. Even HELL maybe...? Well... To some...?
Nope. Let me correct you on something though you can choose not to agree with me? True happiness is not equivalent to 'meaning of life'.
I did not imply that.
My apology on that.
What is with the whole 'living on earth' thing?! Pls enlighten me.
Earth is a place where the so called 'good' and 'evil' meets. And these values are just very subjective ones. Heavens and HELL, GOD & devils... Sorry, can't tell you much... Anyway, I'm also in the midst of 'exploration'...
Erm, i agree with wat u said, except for the last part. All Christians are part of God's family.
Christians can withdraw from GOD. Become something else. Are they still considered as part of God's family then? How about those who MIGHT become a Christian in the future but not yet one? Are they part of God's family yet?
I know you would be able to give me part of the 'answer' to what i've asked. But I can also refute to them. (if you are to put them up)
Oh, and as a side note, I dont need to calm down cos Im not worked up. =) And I know u dont have anything against Christians.
Because I told you so?
Anyway... THANKS for making me feel that I'm actually SO FREE...>
I'm enjoying this little conversation with you... But sorry if there're many things I can't really speak of.... You can think of me as a lunatic or its like kinds.... I won't mind at all... <> ~WAHAHahahaha.... -
WRONG!!! THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT CHRISTIANS CHOSE THE WRONG RELIGION!!! BELIEVE IN ALLAH AND YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN!!!Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Actually there is little difference between a christian and a non-christian.
Just that the christian is aware of the actual situtation, condition of his life and need for grace. -
No true christian would ever make u feel that u arent worthy of them. I just wanna get that straight. That's wrong, because before we were christians, we too were just like everyone else who needs saving. Whoever makes u feel that way is wrong and is ruining the image of what christians should be like.Originally posted by weird70s:I'm quite how "some" christians force their religion onto people.
I gone through several similar response from some christian group that I met before. If you aren't christian or classified as heretics or pagan devotees, then you are not good enough to go join them. Even worse, if the ger you like is in these type of groups, then all your chances of wooing the ger is flushed down the drain into the abyss. These group will brainwash their members to believe that anyone that isn't their religion is pagan or heretics and not worth the time to be together for life. [That's when "they" take advantage on the gers in their groups.]
Some group of christian are good in heart and their believes that everyone is equal whether what religion they are in.
Oh, and pls choose ur words carefully, no one 'brainwashes' us into thinking that non-christians are not worth our time to marry. The bible does say that a christians should have christian spouses. however, it also says that if your husband is not a christian, it is no reason to leave him, and that is a good thing, because one day he will turn to God as well. So, there are christians who marry non-christians. -
Originally posted by Evil Clown:WRONG!!! THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT CHRISTIANS CHOSE THE WRONG RELIGION!!! BELIEVE IN ALLAH AND YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN!!!
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Oh, maybe I wasnt specific, but when I meant 'know' I meant it in a deeper way. Like, to know who God is and who Jesus is, what He did for us and how much He loves us.
And personally, I have done the whole 'temple and joss sticks' thing. You see, when u go to a temple, u're praying to a statue. And u can just sit there with ur joss sticks and at the end of it, u still feel dead inside. To me, it's just a statue, who cant reply me or do anything. (Dont wanna offend anyone, but that's just my PERSONAL experience of it.) But christianity is not a really a religion. Its abt having a relationship with God.. it's so much more than that.
Of course, I do realise that maybe some people still prefer the whole statue thing.Nope. As long as you're on Earth it's POSSIBLE for you to find MEANING in life. You can find 'meaning' in heavens too. Even HELL maybe...?
Well... To some...?
Did i say meaning IN life? Yes, many ppl w/o God find meaning in life. But what abt the meaning OF life?
Btw, what kind of a person would find meaning in being burnt and tortured for all eternity?Earth is a place where the so called 'good' and 'evil' meets. And these values are just very subjective ones. Heavens and HELL, GOD & devils... Sorry, can't tell you much...
Anyway, I'm also in the midst of 'exploration'...
Yeah.. it's just a battle of gd and evil..Christians can withdraw from GOD. Become something else. Are they still considered as part of God's family then? How about those who MIGHT become a Christian in the future but not yet one? Are they part of God's family yet?
Erm, I think those who aren't christian yet arent part of this family yet.Anyway... THANKS for making me feel that I'm actually SO FREE...
Hmm.. do i detect a hint of sarcasm?>
I'm enjoying this little conversation with you... But sorry if there're many things I can't really speak of.... You can think of me as a lunatic or its like kinds.... I won't mind at all... <> ~WAHAHahahaha.... -
yea.. this part i agree.. some churches even make bgr look like sin, or a bad thing. which it isn't. of course they give rubbish like "oh, we just DISCOURAGE, but their actions speak otherwise, and action always speaks louder than words.Originally posted by weird70s:I'm quite how "some" christians force their religion onto people.
I gone through several similar response from some christian group that I met before. If you aren't christian or classified as heretics or pagan devotees, then you are not good enough to go join them. Even worse, if the ger you like is in these type of groups, then all your chances of wooing the ger is flushed down the drain into the abyss. These group will brainwash their members to believe that anyone that isn't their religion is pagan or heretics and not worth the time to be together for life. [That's when "they" take advantage on the gers in their groups.]
Some group of christian are good in heart and their believes that everyone is equal whether what religion they are in.
the bible quote they love to use is"do not be yoked with non-believers"
its true in the sense where we should know the limit to certain activities non believers do (cuz christians got a lifestyle to live which is different) the principles non believers practice which we cannot follow., but to take that verse out of context and overblow the situation would be like what wierd70 said. tts why i left that church, after my family received christ, we are now in bethesda community. =)
but i understand that some church do that, its for the protection of the church, undeniably, some non believers are not really healthy examples for living *gaze into bar and see for yourself the happening people down there* ppl such as these would prey on girls in church i quote wierd70Even worse, if the ger you like is in these type of groups, then all your chances of wooing the ger is flushed down the drain into the abyss.
then fall in love la, then bring her to bed, screw upside down, which is a total disobedience to what our God has told us believers. i cannot blame the church for being protective, but i blame the church for bringing the protection too far.
take everything anyone tells u with a pinch of salt, and always rever back to the bible for context, afterall, pastors, and humans are all well.. human, and humans make mistakes. but God never.
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Just want to share something here.I have a friend whose girlfren recently convert to a christian.So here comes the problem,my friend isn't a christian,so now his girlfren wants him to get converted but my fren simply refused.In the end, they broke off,of course its the girl who suggested it.I was so disgusted when i heard this, i mean i had no prejudice against the christians but don u feel there a lot of things out there thats more important than the religion itself,does it matters that much to be a christrian.How could someone judge people by his religion and not by who he really is? I believe that as long as a person is of good character,it doesn't matter to me what his religion is.Of course maybe most of the christians are not like what i have said so maybe i am just so suay to have met some of the black sheep lor.
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hmm ok, let me put it this way. say if the girl loves music and music was her life, and the guy doesn like music, u tink that they can live together in peace??Originally posted by Simpl3guy:Just want to share something here.I have a friend whose girlfren recently convert to a christian.So here comes the problem,my friend isn't a christian,so now his girlfren wants him to get converted but my fren simply refused.In the end, they broke off,of course its the girl who suggested it.I was so disgusted when i heard this, i mean i had no prejudice against the christians but don u feel there a lot of things out there thats more important than the religion itself,does it matters that much to be a christrian.How could someone judge people by his religion and not by who he really is? I believe that as long as a person is of good character,it doesn't matter to me what his religion is.Of course maybe most of the christians are not like what i have said so maybe i am just so suay to have met some of the black sheep lor.
there will be no conflict? its the same case here. when someone comes into christ, most of her time will be spent in church, with christian friends. lifestyle will change, not for worse, for the better. but the guy would not understand it, like why everyweek she has to goto church and stuff. for me? i spend at least 3 days a week doing church work, and meeting church friends. if the girl does the same thing, which is a good thing, not a bad thing, will the guy understand? or will he initiate the breakup? think abt it.
and if he was the one initiating the breakup, would u be singing a different tune? agreeing with him for his decision? or will u be just and fair?
but don't get me wrong, there is NOTHING wrong in having a relationship with a non believer. but marraigewise, cannot *thus the verse do not be yoked,, blah blah.* and every relationship we pursue, we try to aim for long term into marraige, not just walk walk, hold hand, u screw me i screw u*which is wrong*, 3 mths later, bye bye..
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hmm ok, let me put it this way. say if the girl loves music and music was her life, and the guy doesn like music, u tink that they can live together in peace??
I think people wif different religions can still get together.Why not? People wif different races get together,people wif different hobbies get together and so on.It is not very possible to have everything the same wif each other. What if u have the same hobbies same this same that but different religions?Of course u also cant have too many differences lah. But if a relationship ends becos of some differences,it just makes me wonder is there really love involved in it.Even if someone spends more than 3 days per week wif church frens, it is just a very small problem if u really love each other.What about people who work until very late everyday,what about people who stay in camp everyday?And i don mean being in a relationship means srewing around and holding hands then bye bye.I personally know of one old couple where the husband is a buddhist and the wife is a catholic and they are still very loving.Even if i have a christian girlfren i would still accompany her to church,going to church doesn't mean believing or want to be a christian,sometimes i accompany her do this and she accompany me do that and i think most people in relationships do all all these, it is just about compromising.Of course if the relationship hasn't begin, everybody can choose wat kind of partner he or she wants cos it is their choice but to end a relationship becos of some differences is a different matter.Last of all,if it is my fren who initiate the breakup i wont agree wif him.If he couldnt understand that his girlfren has to go to church and initiate the breakup,i would think its his fault.In their argument, i think my fren would already have tried to tell her that religion should not be a problem in their relationship though saying is one thing and doing is another.But the problem is his girlfren didnt even gave him the chance to try.All in her mind was "if u don join christinity,we have to breakup".
there will be no conflict? its the same case here. when someone comes into christ, most of her time will be spent in church, with christian friends. lifestyle will change, not for worse, for the better. but the guy would not understand it, like why everyweek she has to goto church and stuff. for me? i spend at least 3 days a week doing church work, and meeting church friends. if the girl does the same thing, which is a good thing, not a bad thing, will the guy understand? or will he initiate the breakup? think abt it.
and if he was the one initiating the breakup, would u be singing a different tune? agreeing with him for his decision? or will u be just and fair?
but don't get me wrong, there is NOTHING wrong in having a relationship with a non believer. but marraigewise, cannot *thus the verse do not be yoked,, blah blah.* and every relationship we pursue, we try to aim for long term into marraige, not just walk walk, hold hand, u screw me i screw u*which is wrong*, 3 mths later, bye bye..
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Well if the people around the church accepts who you are, it is alright.
I met this frend of mine from a Buddist temple that had a very bad experience with a christian group, which was one of the biggest group. She got gb on the first night of the cell group studies by the pastor and several others after she thought she got hypontised and drugged. She found no evidence was found that she was drugged of any kind. 3 months later, she found herself pregnant and the church she join shunned her as a slut cause even her husband thought she was bonking around in church. Eventually, she divorce, left the church, aborted the child, and now studying Buddism. She blamed Christianity for causing her happy marriage to collapse, Jesus to be a "fake", and so many other issues.
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Whoa...note the sarcasm!Originally posted by Evil Clown:WRONG!!! THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT CHRISTIANS CHOSE THE WRONG RELIGION!!! BELIEVE IN ALLAH AND YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN!!! -
Well, I wun feel so bad if I were you. It helps to understand the mindset of siao-on christians like myself.
You see, they do their very best to place their relationship with God above all else, friends, family and of course, even their romantic relationship, bringing everything into submission. Sounds shocking but even a christian's devotion towards God is supposed to be more then that to their spouse.
Henceforth, the more siao-on ones will not engage in a relationship that's not pleasing to God's eyes. It's more then just a matter of differences, though they present obvious challanges. But also a matter of their piorities. The area of getting a boyfriend/girlfriend is also put into submission to God. -
firstly.. try to hv some spacing and paragraphs.. its easier to read.Originally posted by Simpl3guy:I think people wif different religions can still get together.Why not? People wif different races get together,people wif different hobbies get together and so on.It is not very possible to have everything the same wif each other. What if u have the same hobbies same this same that but different religions?Of course u also cant have too many differences lah. But if a relationship ends becos of some differences,it just makes me wonder is there really love involved in it.Even if someone spends more than 3 days per week wif church frens, it is just a very small problem if u really love each other.What about people who work until very late everyday,what about people who stay in camp everyday?And i don mean being in a relationship means srewing around and holding hands then bye bye.I personally know of one old couple where the husband is a buddhist and the wife is a catholic and they are still very loving.Even if i have a christian girlfren i would still accompany her to church,going to church doesn't mean believing or want to be a christian,sometimes i accompany her do this and she accompany me do that and i think most people in relationships do all all these, it is just about compromising.Of course if the relationship hasn't begin, everybody can choose wat kind of partner he or she wants cos it is their choice but to end a relationship becos of some differences is a different matter.Last of all,if it is my fren who initiate the breakup i wont agree wif him.If he couldnt understand that his girlfren has to go to church and initiate the breakup,i would think its his fault.In their argument, i think my fren would already have tried to tell her that religion should not be a problem in their relationship though saying is one thing and doing is another.But the problem is his girlfren didnt even gave him the chance to try.All in her mind was "if u don join christinity,we have to breakup".
yea i agree that maybe a breakup wasn't the best idea.. i feel things can work out, but if the guy insist that she accompanies him instead of spending time in church and stuff, i'm all for the breakup. i'm glad that u see this pointLast of all,if it is my fren who initiate the breakup i wont agree wif him.If he couldnt understand that his girlfren has to go to church and initiate the breakup,i would think its his fault.
yes.. saying and doing is 2 different things.. its easy for him to say now, but what of 3 mths later? she spends alot of time in church, cell groups, ministry, will be still be understanding? she will have friends in church too, some might be guys, and she might relate to them well cause of the same background, but you sure he won't be jealous and stop her from attending church and seeing her church friends? i don't think so, thats why. its hard for a non christian to date a christian, its already hard for a chrsitian to date a christian. i know.. trust me..
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dumbdumb!:
Thank you for your honest replies.
I'm not sure if it's a miracle or what, but I'm glad you dad is OK, all the same.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
If all those people who have never heard of Christ are going to be saved anyway, is belief, then, not necessary? My friends have taught me something about Christianity, which I have not accepted, have they damned me? If I remained ignorant about Christianity, just like many other people around the world, would I have been saved?
i'm sure God is a just God, and a fair one. but does our eternal judgement, lies on good deeds? it is not so.. salvation does not lie in deeds, its not what we do that counts, its what was already done 2000 years ago that counts. the death of the Lamb, the only one thing that saves us. but what is promised in the bible is this, you and your household will be saved. i am willing to testify to that, i believe in it with all my heart, and it happened to my household, they are saved.
Well, if you are willing to be judged by something that happened 2000 years ago, I'm afraid you judge yourself more harshly than I do myself.
I don't feel that we should be responsible for what happened in the past - we should take charge of the present and take responsibility for our own actions and wrong-doings.
In my opinion, we must be judged by our own deeds, good or bad.
Eternal judgement, and salvation, if it exists, must lie on our deeds. If we are damned anyway, why bother to practise a good life?but does our eternal judgement, lies on good deeds? it is not so.. salvation does not lie in deeds, its not what we do that counts, its what was already done 2000 years ago that counts.
If this is true, no amount of good or evil I do matters, as what counts has already happened 2000 years ago. Then what can save us? Is belief and repentance all that is necessary for salvation, regardless of deeds?
I urge all to think about this carefully with some logic. We may have different religious beliefs (I'm atheist), but logic is a skill that we all have, regardless of beliefs.
I live as my conscience and moral code dictates, and as free of hate as possible.