So many posts on abortions!!!
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oh what i meant was that he doesn't live in a topic on sgforums but his own life.
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My post within this thread isnt about advising anybody... its as much about expressing my sadness and my personal point of view about what had happened to these unfortunate people. If you think that a counsellor should have no point of view about what is happening or be affect sometimes by wha they hear, err guess again.
counselling aside, no human being, even a trained counsellor is immuned from reacting. there is this thing called transferrence. Like I said, the post I made in this particular thread is a comment on the state of things and not targetted at any particular person in trouble. please do not miss read my post
If I had come across as agressive, I'm sorry.
My views remain. Each is entitled to their views. everyone has a choice. A lot of things in life are permissible but not all things are beneficial. A lot of things in life should be encouraged but a lot should also be avoided like the plague. Its a choice. I am merely stating my position and what I had seen in friends who had gone thorugh this terrible ordeal including people whom I had the opprotunity to counselled.
Errr about showing off my credentials/contacts??? eRrrrrr what on earth are you on about?? If you read it again in context... you will realise that I am stating an observed fact! and not throwing my supposed credentials about. Why shouldl I need to... my post speaks for themselves. And I am comfortable enough with myself that I see no need whatsoever to seek approval or so call show off especially in a forum full of people whom I have never seen let alone know!
In any event, I do not wish to start a flaming thing here. Whatever it is, whether we agree or not that is that.
The issue here is about the many many posts about abortion. I have stated how sad I feel and that a change in mindset is necessary in many people so that they can avoid this PREVENTABLE suffering. -
THere should be a sticky on links to abortion threads.
Wonder if it works.
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Err sorry but what is a sticky?Originally posted by Parka: THere should be a sticky on links to abortion threads.
Wonder if it works. -
it means to "stick" this topic on top of the forum. This can only be done by moderators of the forum.Originally posted by supercharger:Err sorry but what is a sticky? -
Since you have changed the topic out of the blue, do u want me to reply to your new topic?Originally posted by Suicine:life is never out of point. be a vegetarian today. -
i think the only consideration we should have is the irreversible physical damage done to the girl's body undergoing abortion. the death of an unborn baby is not an issue at all. personally, i've always felt the worth of someone's life is proportional to the impact it has created on someone else. therefore, an unborn baby even if it's mine, yet to be nurtured, having no life experience and no influence on anybody is as good as non-existant. in any critical event, i'd rather the mother's life be saved over the unborn baby's. no second thoughts at all. babies can be made anytime. a life partner is much harder to replace
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if you are so concerned about the suffering of an unborn tadpole, why are you not a vegetarian (are you?)? support closing down of farms la!
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Erm, can stop with the vegetarian thing. The more you keep talking about it, the more it really seems that you're off point. Quite honestly, if you do not understand the sensitivity of human life, then there's nothing to talk about. Either you see it or you don't. In this case, you don't. So let's leave it at that and enough with the vegetarian thing.Originally posted by Suicine:if you are so concerned about the suffering of an unborn tadpole, why are you not a vegetarian (are you?)? support closing down of farms la! -
As for your views about pregnancy, I do not deny they are true. I am just saying don't ignore the other parties involved and that everybody suffers in such a situation.Originally posted by supercharger:My post within this thread isnt about advising anybody... its as much about expressing my sadness and my personal point of view about what had happened to these unfortunate people. If you think that a counsellor should have no point of view about what is happening or be affect sometimes by wha they hear, err guess again.
counselling aside, no human being, even a trained counsellor is immuned from reacting. there is this thing called transferrence. Like I said, the post I made in this particular thread is a comment on the state of things and not targetted at any particular person in trouble. please do not miss read my post
If I had come across as agressive, I'm sorry.
My views remain. Each is entitled to their views. everyone has a choice. A lot of things in life are permissible but not all things are beneficial. A lot of things in life should be encouraged but a lot should also be avoided like the plague. Its a choice. I am merely stating my position and what I had seen in friends who had gone thorugh this terrible ordeal including people whom I had the opprotunity to counselled.
Errr about showing off my credentials/contacts??? eRrrrrr what on earth are you on about?? If you read it again in context... you will realise that I am stating an observed fact! and not throwing my supposed credentials about. Why shouldl I need to... my post speaks for themselves. And I am comfortable enough with myself that I see no need whatsoever to seek approval or so call show off especially in a forum full of people whom I have never seen let alone know!
In any event, I do not wish to start a flaming thing here. Whatever it is, whether we agree or not that is that.
[b]The issue here is about the many many posts about abortion. I have stated how sad I feel and that a change in mindset is necessary in many people so that they can avoid this PREVENTABLE suffering.
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Just to add, the nature of your posts in this thread really differs from the tone you use in others. Hence leads me to that impression. In other threads you seem more level headed. Perhaps you're 'letting off steam', I don't know.
As to the remark about you showing off, I believe your own post below could have been better rephrased to convey your message. Perhaps the seemingly aggressive nature of your earlier posts seemed to add to that perspective.
[quote] I have been counselling people for the last 15 years on a part time basis and I have the training.
As you said, a change of mindset in both the guys and the girls involved is necessary. It takes two hands to clap. Remember, the girl was willing. So both have a part to play. -
I honestly want to learn how a human life is more sacred than that of an animal's, other than for religious reasons. and intelligence.Originally posted by SumOne:Erm, can stop with the vegetarian thing. The more you keep talking about it, the more it really seems that you're off point. Quite honestly, if you do not understand the sensitivity of human life, then there's nothing to talk about. Either you see it or you don't. In this case, you don't. So let's leave it at that and enough with the vegetarian thing. -
Suicine, did i say that? My point is always on the suffering of the unborn baby and the parents.Originally posted by Suicine:if you are so concerned about the suffering of an unborn tadpole, why are you not a vegetarian (are you?)? support closing down of farms la! -
the tadpole refers to the unborn baby. its figurative.Originally posted by SnowFlag:Suicine, did i say that? My point is always on the suffering of the unborn baby and the parents. -
First, you should make honest your intention for asking out-of-topic question.Originally posted by Suicine:I honestly want to learn how a human life is more sacred than that of an animal's, other than for religious reasons. and intelligence. -
Well, call it changing times
With the media hyping up sex as being hip and an expression of love, its not surprising so many youngsters get into unwanted pregnancies.
Besides the accidents like condom tearing etc, maybe we should have a post on birth control. The problem is that so many hot blooded teenagers just want to have fun without knowing the different methods of birth control or protection from STDs.
I bet the majority of them don't even know what is the Morning After pill.
Anyways, instead of pointing fingers, always remember that it takes 2 to make a baby.
I'm more towards pro-choice then anti-abortion. However, that doesn't mean that I think any girl who gets an unwanted pregnancy should abort. I just believe that everyone has the right to choose. However, they have to face the consequence of their choice on their own. -
He doesn't see why people are making such an issue over an unborn baby. To him afterall the baby is unwanted and needs to be gotten off. And to kill the baby is no different from killing an animal to eat, to fulfill one's desires and all.Originally posted by SnowFlag:First, you should make honest your intention for asking out-of-topic question.
There's no point explaining to him how different a human life is from that of an animal. It's one of those things that either you see it or you don't.
But Suicine, let me ask you, let's say you're in a farm or somewhere where there are animals/poultry/livestock. Then, a fire breaks out and both humans and animals are trapped. The fire's too big, and spreading too fast. You can save only either the people or the animals, which would you save?
Adding to that, if let's say the animals/livestock belonged to you, whereas the people are just strangers whom you don't know. Who or which would you save first? -
I agree with you, sex and virginity is no longer viewed with as much seriousness as it was in the past. Actually, birth control is actually common and young people know it's there as well. However, they are too unaware of the consequences of not using. Till it happens to them.Originally posted by elindra:Well, call it changing times
With the media hyping up sex as being hip and an expression of love, its not surprising so many youngsters get into unwanted pregnancies.
Besides the accidents like condom tearing etc, maybe we should have a post on birth control. The problem is that so many hot blooded teenagers just want to have fun without knowing the different methods of birth control or protection from STDs.
I bet the majority of them don't even know what is the Morning After pill.
Anyways, instead of pointing fingers, always remember that it takes 2 to make a baby.
I'm more towards pro-choice then anti-abortion. However, that doesn't mean that I think any girl who gets an unwanted pregnancy should abort. I just believe that everyone has the right to choose. However, they have to face the consequence of their choice on their own. -
Err since when have you been appointed to police whether it is acceptable for people say what they say in this forum and how they say it?
Whatever it is that I say I stand by them and I do not need you to approve or disapprove.
As to how I word my sentences, they are how I had word them, fortunately or unfortunately. if you think that I am showing off, so be it. Is it of anything to you that I should choose to (so call accordingly to you) show off (you keep insinuating that I am)? Do you have a problem with people who happen to state a fact about themselves?? So what if I am? what if I am not?
Take my words as they are, read the content for what it is. Dont read more or less in to them. My words are all there take it in context. If you cannot read in context that is your problem. Stop nick picking other people's words and threads.
Like I said, this thread is not about advising anyone.
In any event, have I in anyway ignored the pain and suffering of the guy in the equatioin??? And yet you seem to keep saying that I am??
Havent many of us been singing the same song that both are responsible and both suffers the consequences? so what are you on about? Are you unhappy bec I happened to have mentioned my experience gained over more than 15 years??? Is that a problem to you??? Did I mentioned them in pride? to show off? if not why do you keep harping on it? Even if I did do it to show off as you seem to insinuate, errr what is it to you? are you my guardian? My parents? my teacher? who are you to me??
I do not need you to grade my post or my words. everyone can see the quality or lack thereof of my postings and contributions.
So Please let this go and just focus on the issue and not me. It has nothing to do with me. -
In anyevent, Sumone, I think enough have been said about how i write and how "aggressive" I had in YOUR EYES. I had written the earlier posts entirely out of a grieving heart for these people.
I think you have said enough so lets move on. If we agree on the issues, great. If we dont, we agree to disagree.
But do we have to agree on how the issue is presented or whether you like the way I write even though the facts and discussions are clear?
come on, let it go. We agree that it takes 2 to clap and both suffer greatly. I have not belittled the guys plight but I would like to point out that the girls' situatioin is even worse than the guy - do you dare to disagree with me on this one?
So please dont say "see see my post got you to clarify" or something else - i think its clear enough for the world to see as it is.
So lets just leave me out of this discussion. I do not want anymore discussion about this. If you have nothing constructive to say about the issue on abortion but only words about me and my english then please stop posting.
Please let us agree not to let such a sensitive thread dealing with such suffering become anything else other than a place for people to give their views about the recent happenings and what they think and perhaps how they can change their mindset or advise the people most vulnerable! Agreed? -
it makes us think.Originally posted by SnowFlag:First, you should make honest your intention for asking out-of-topic question. -
of course i would save the humans, because they have a higher intelligence. the animals being kept in a farm are just gonna get eaten if they survive anyway.Originally posted by SumOne:He doesn't see why people are making such an issue over an unborn baby. To him afterall the baby is unwanted and needs to be gotten off. And to kill the baby is no different from killing an animal to eat, to fulfill one's desires and all.
There's no point explaining to him how different a human life is from that of an animal. It's one of those things that either you see it or you don't.
But Suicine, let me ask you, let's say you're in a farm or somewhere where there are animals/poultry/livestock. Then, a fire breaks out and both humans and animals are trapped. The fire's too big, and spreading too fast. You can save only either the people or the animals, which would you save?
Adding to that, if let's say the animals/livestock belonged to you, whereas the people are just strangers whom you don't know. Who or which would you save first?
what about if the animals belonged to me. then that would have to wait until i become a farmer for me to answer you. -
The things said about your wording is an opinion, you can disagree, leave it at that.Originally posted by supercharger:Err since when have you been appointed to police whether it is acceptable for people say what they say in this forum and how they say it?
Whatever it is that I say I stand by them and I do not need you to approve or disapprove.
As to how I word my sentences, they are how I had word them, fortunately or unfortunately. if you think that I am showing off, so be it. Is it of anything to you that I should choose to (so call accordingly to you) show off (you keep insinuating that I am)? Do you have a problem with people who happen to state a fact about themselves?? So what if I am? what if I am not?
Do I keep saying that you ignore the pain and suffering of the guy? I'm just trying to bring the issue back to abortion and unwanted pregnancy. Thought you wanted to move on too?
Take my words as they are, read the content for what it is. Dont read more or less in to them. My words are all there take it in context. If you cannot read in context that is your problem. Stop nick picking other people's words and threads.
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Actually, I had no issue anymore, since you clarified the thing. So I took it as that. Like you said, let's leave it at that.Like I said, this thread is not about advising anyone.
In any event, have I in anyway ignored the pain and suffering of the guy in the equatioin??? And yet you seem to keep saying that I am??
What am I on about? Rather, what I was on about. I merely explained why I(myself) would have given me the wrong impression. But I had already accepted your points as they were once you clarified. You ask me to move on then what's your post about? Move on.Havent many of us been singing the same song that both are responsible and both suffers the consequences? so what are you on about? Are you unhappy bec I happened to have mentioned my experience gained over more than 15 years??? Is that a problem to you??? Did I mentioned them in pride? to show off? if not why do you keep harping on it? Even if I did do it to show off as you seem to insinuate, errr what is it to you? are you my guardian? My parents? my teacher? who are you to me??[quote]I do not need you to grade my post or my words. everyone can see the quality or lack thereof of my postings and contributions.I had stopped, I'm just replying to your post now.
So Please let this go and just focus on the issue and not me. It has nothing to do with me. -
Originally posted by supercharger:
I was already done with that issue. I've also said what I want about the main topic itself (repeated myself infact).
In anyevent, Sumone, I think enough have been said about how i write and how "aggressive" I had in YOUR EYES. I had written the earlier posts entirely out of a grieving heart for these people.
I think you have said enough so lets move on. If we agree on the issues, great. If we dont, we agree to disagree.
But do we have to agree on how the issue is presented or whether you like the way I write even though the facts and discussions are clear?
come on, let it go. We agree that it takes 2 to clap and both suffer greatly. I have not belittled the guys plight but I would like to point out that the girls' situatioin is even worse than the guy - do you dare to disagree with me on this one?
So please dont say "see see my post got you to clarify" or something else - i think its clear enough for the world to see as it is.
So lets just leave me out of this discussion. I do not want anymore discussion about this. If you have nothing constructive to say about the issue on abortion but only words about me and my english then please stop posting.
[b]Please let us agree not to let such a sensitive thread dealing with such suffering become anything else other than a place for people to give their views about the recent happenings and what they think and perhaps how they can change their mindset or advise the people most vulnerable! Agreed?[/b]
Nobody's a winner in the case of an abortion. Everybody loses out. If you don't want a pregnancy to deal with, then use protection or don't do it at all. The risks and consequences aren't worth it. -
No right or wrong answer here, just wanted to understand your mindset a little more. But given to others, saving the people would rather just be the humane thing to do, and not so much about whether the animals will get eaten or not (horses don't get eaten do they?).Originally posted by Suicine:of course i would save the humans, because they have a higher intelligence. the animals being kept in a farm are just gonna get eaten if they survive anyway.what about if the animals belonged to me. then that would have to wait until i become a farmer for me to answer you.
The question about the animals being yours is because I wanted to see if you would think differently when the animals were of importance to you(your income and livelihood, since you're a farmer). -
Tsk Tsk... this is what happens when a thread is invaded by irrelevant posters nick picking bits
The things said about your wording is an opinion, you can disagree, leave it at that.
just as you are entitled to your opinon about me and my post so am I entitled to my opinion about your post. RIGHT?
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