The truth about City Harvest Church
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Are they anti gay
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True true ! agree totally !Originally posted by NuLife:Lik wat fmyk said... i feel some christian activities
r really cult lik.... brainwash people only... well
those who r willing to b brainwashed....or acted lik
they r more 'western' n high class...
I feel spore society r really littered w too many
such western culture worshippers....
Heres a true life joke my mum once told me..:
her fren's daughter who was a convert was praying
during dinner n thank god for givng her food n shelter...
n her mum retorted: 'its ur MUM me who gave u food and shelter'!!!
haaa
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Christians over the years have always been misunderstood,way back during Christianity's first days there were people thinking Christians were cannibals.
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I only believe in science n human evolution..... Nv believe in god, tho hv fren who ask me to go CHC many times....
btw, if u know european history, some wars are caused by christian and Islam.... eg.. the crusades..... -
I admit Christians are not perfect,The crusades are a pretty questionable part of Christian history. In a way,it can be said that the crusaders were plundering and murdering in the name of Christianity. Our own faults i don't deny.
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Religious wars have happened in the past and now in the present and will always happen in the future until religion is divorced from greed, power and politics. Religion is a powerful tool aimed at achieving a greater good but we will always have individuals who strive for achievement of their personal and financial good.
Christianity was used by the Catholic Church in the past to manipulate politics in europe and to control countries. It was the sins of the people ( like Cardinal Richeliu) who made use of christianity to control others and gain powers. The spanish Inquisition instilled absolute obedience in the layfolk and nobility alike.
Northern Ireland is an excellent example of people (Protestants Vs Catholics) using religion as an excuse to start a war.
Islam is not that far off . The crusades - the persecution of the jews and christians etc. Osama bin Laden using holy war as an excuse to kill innocent people to enforce his wishes. He should have bombed the white house instead of World Trade Center. Saddam used the tag "holy war" when he urged the middle eastern countries to help him drive americans off kuwaiti soil.
It is not religion's fault things turn out the way it did but rather the fault of the individuals who were willing to sacrifice people for power. -
city harvest? is that like a hydrofonic farm
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Yes it is. Coz people are treating it that way, since they can't be bothered to make informed decisions.Originally posted by HENG@:its like.... its like....... shopping for clothes!
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Originally posted by fymk:
It is the fault of gullible people who blindly follow and do what they are told to do. Unquestionably. and justified by their 'faith'.
It is not religion's fault things turn out the way it did but rather the fault of the individuals who were willing to sacrifice people for power.
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Being led by a bad person doesn't mean that they are totally free from fault. For they had a choice. -
Then the sheep have made one helluva bad choice. Then again they are just like sheep - gullible to the wolf under the sheep's clothing.Originally posted by ronnie_2600:It is the fault of gullible people who blindly follow and do what they are told to do. Unquestionably. and justified by their 'faith'.
Being led by a bad person doesn't mean that they are totally free from fault. For they had a choice. -
Frankly the religion itself does not deviate from the crusades or inquisition. The religion do speak of wars tat wipe out the entire native tribes before they found the promised land. These wars r supported and encouraged by god. Tat is why if the people take up violence using the name of religion, they r not really deviating themselves from the religion either. As for inquisition, the religion do take pride in blind obedience. If u dare to question or do not show obedience, u will get to be punished greatly... (moses golden cow, tower of babel, noah ark)
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Christian comfrim got problems. How come ppl everytime keep discussing bad things abt christians.
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I heard that Ho Yeow Sun buys her own albums to distribute it to CHC members for free... -_-"
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If you are confused about whether CHC is good or not, I recommend that you join BSF International (http://www.bsfinternational.org/) for 6 mths, then decide for yourself. I think you won't regret it if you join BSF!
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Dear all,
Thank you for your further comments.
I managed to catch Ren Ci's fundrasing advertisements on TV today and discovered that one of the sponsor is City Harvest Community Services Association (CHCSA)! If you want to catch the part of listing of the CHCSA, you have to pay great attention when the advertisement announce the sponsors. The picture of CHCSA flashed by very quickly, less than 1 second.
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then i must have ended up with the Goth clothes. Satanism is the way to go.Originally posted by ronnie_2600:Yes it is. Coz people are treating it that way, since they can't be bothered to make informed decisions.
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hey dude, get it straight..the inquisition, the crusades and the spanish armada were all started by catholics..it had nothing to do with us protestants..we got millions of us slaughtered by them catholics during the inquisition in spain, portugal, france, germany and elsewhere. and before u try to accuse us of violence and stuff..get your facts straight..places that were destroyed like babylon, sodom and gomora were decadent evil places where evil and homosexuality was rampant..wotcha gonna do? just stand by and watch it turn into some diabolical place and murder all the innocent people?Originally posted by stupidissmart:Frankly the religion itself does not deviate from the crusades or inquisition. The religion do speak of wars tat wipe out the entire native tribes before they found the promised land. These wars r supported and encouraged by god. Tat is why if the people take up violence using the name of religion, they r not really deviating themselves from the religion either. As for inquisition, the religion do take pride in blind obedience. If u dare to question or do not show obedience, u will get to be punished greatly... (moses golden cow, tower of babel, noah ark) -
somehow i can't equate homosexuality with being evil.Originally posted by vito_corleone:hey dude, get it straight..the inquisition, the crusades and the spanish armada were all started by catholics..it had nothing to do with us protestants..we got millions of us slaughtered by them catholics during the inquisition in spain, portugal, france, germany and elsewhere. and before u try to accuse us of violence and stuff..get your facts straight..places that were destroyed like babylon, sodom and gomora were decadent evil places where evil and homosexuality was rampant..wotcha gonna do? just stand by and watch it turn into some diabolical place and murder all the innocent people? -
hey dude, get it straight..the inquisition, the crusades and the spanish armada were all started by catholics..it had nothing to do with us protestants..we got millions of us slaughtered by them catholics during the inquisition in spain, portugal, france, germany and elsewhere. and before u try to accuse us of violence and stuff..get your facts straight..places that were destroyed like babylon, sodom and gomora were decadent evil places where evil and homosexuality was rampant..wotcha gonna do? just stand by and watch it turn into some diabolical place and murder all the innocent people?
Hey dude, read tat I said it is "religion". Did I say it is protestants ?? Is catholic a religion ? Then scully the next one who came in tell me buddhism is not involved in the witch hunting or crusades. BTW isn't protestants formed from catholic ?
How about the Midianites who is fighting for their soveriegnity ? The men were killed, girls made slaves and posessions plundered. U say tat babylon, sodom etc r places of great evil. So they ought to be destroyed ? Then isn't tat supporting religion to destroy other factors like Turkish or witch hunting etc because they thought they r "evil" too ? Isn't tat promoting violence ? Is tat the way to solve problems ? -
war is never the way to solve problems. its ironic. King Asoka waged a bloody war and then repented and became a devout buddhist. The devout Christian Kings of the crusade waged a bloody war in the name of God.
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wadever.
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if we partner CHC to sell Premier Memberships, i wonder how will it turn out
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What is done in the name of Christianity can't be considered Christianity. The men who fought the crusades were in direct conflict with what our religion says.
Matt 5:9,Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the sons of God.
Matt 5:44,But I tell you:Love your enemies and pray for those that persecute you,
The acts of individuals who chose to use the name of Christianity to commit acts such as the crusades cannot be used to represent main-stream Christianity. Even Jesus Christ himself warned about such individuals. The masterminds of the crusades etc etc were acting against what is stated in the Bible. -
You know how powerful the church was in those days,its a known fact,the crusaders werent exactly pure in intention to liberate the holy land, some wanted riches,some wanted fame,some wanted adventure. Again, human decsions propelled by non-religious reasons can't be blamed on the religion.Originally posted by ronnie_2600:It is the fault of gullible people who blindly follow and do what they are told to do. Unquestionably. and justified by their 'faith'.
Being led by a bad person doesn't mean that they are totally free from fault. For they had a choice. -
buddism was never violent nor drawn into conflict because buddism wasn't founded as a religeon..it was founded as a philosophy...it was only after they mixed it up with hinduism and taoism did buddism evolve into a religeon. anyways..if those places arent evil enough for you..those weren't peaceful homos..they practically gay raped every visitor and fathers slept with their own daughters..just freakin think for a second..if you created something and somebody else came to defile and detsory your creation..by common sense you would natually get rid of it...if you were God, would you want the people u created to worship some demonic idols? of course not. witch hunting? you have no idea how evil witch practices used to be..they were the ones who started the original halloween..they didn't trick or treat for sweets..they trick or treated for little children to be sacrificed at pagaan rituals...and as for the crusades and ther turks? i believed it was allowed to happen because the orthodox byzantines strayed from the original faith..they were the ones who first persecuted the real christians..then constantine came along and came up with his own pagaan version of christianity..they deserved to be punished. that is not promoting violence..it is promoting the fact that justice has to be done to ensure peace and stability and order..not debauchery and brutality. if you don't believe what i stated..i dare you to reseach around and prove me wrong.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Hey dude, read tat I said it is "religion". Did I say it is protestants ?? Is catholic a religion ? Then scully the next one who came in tell me buddhism is not involved in the witch hunting or crusades. BTW isn't protestants formed from catholic ?
How about the Midianites who is fighting for their soveriegnity ? The men were killed, girls made slaves and posessions plundered. U say tat babylon, sodom etc r places of great evil. So they ought to be destroyed ? Then isn't tat supporting religion to destroy other factors like Turkish or witch hunting etc because they thought they r "evil" too ? Isn't tat promoting violence ? Is tat the way to solve problems ?