army life sux!
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Wuming, I disagree with you too.Originally posted by wuming78:i don't see how saying what i said contributes to what you thought to be "saving my ass".
who am i saving my ass from? why do i want to save my ass? how would what i said save my ass (if it needs saving in the first place)?
yes im a regular, and im proud to be one. and i can easily find jobs in the civilian world, and i hold a masters degree in engineering. so what of your misconceptions?
like i said, i understand some people just cant help hating ns and everything about it. you are entitled to your opinions. but please do not denigrate the people who chose to serve the organisation and contribute to the military defense of the nation.
Other than a pathetic HDB flat, my family and I have nothing. No cars, no condos, no bungalows, etc. I don't see for the measy S$200K flat (that depreciate every year! All HDB flats are only leased to you for 99 years!), why my brother should partake in a war. It is more like the propaganda of "defending Singapore" is more towards defending the free hold or 999 years properties of the rich. And also think, if many of the rich kids hold seng nang positions in army, would they fight a real war side by side with you? -
Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Wuming, I disagree with you too.
Other than a pathetic HDB flat, my family and I have nothing. No cars, no condos, no bungalows, etc. I don't see for the measy S$200K flat (that depreciate every year! All HDB flats are only leased to you for 99 years!), why my brother should partake in a war. It is more like the propaganda of "defending Singapore" is more towards defending the free hold or 999 years properties of the rich. And also think, if many of the rich kids hold seng nang positions in army, would they fight a real war side by side with you?
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Wuming was advocating for the defense of the country.Originally posted by GargoyleR: sorry, catch no ball
I was advocating defend what?
- Defend my pathethic $200 K HDB flat using the life of my brother? Do you know that a you don't really own your flat? Your flat is only borrowed from the government (HDB).
- So what are our males really defending? They are really defending the free hold or 999 years properties of the rich!
- As every guys in ns or after ns will know, most of the rich kids are just white horse, who worked as clerks in army while the average male (e.g. my brother) chiong in jungle and risk having his rover overturning on him! So if the rich kids are doing easy jobs in army, do you think they will be there to protect Singapore in a real war?? -
in case ur not informed and i was too till recently, the reduction in NS didn't not affect the loss of allowance, infact the government increased allowance to allow difference of allowance to be paid over a 2 yr period instead, pls correct me if i am wrong here..Originally posted by Cindyfeh:So for my brothers and other males who had served half a year more, what compensation do they get? 6 months can mean lots of salary money! -
i understand your point, then what happenes if your brother doesn't protect you and the womenfolk like u get raped ? then who will save you ?Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Wuming was advocating for the defense of the country.
I was advocating defend what?
- Defend my pathethic $200 K HDB flat using the life of my brother? Do you know that a you don't really own your flat? Your flat is only borrowed from the government (HDB).
- So what are our males really defending? They are really defending the free hold or 999 years properties of the rich!
- As every guys in ns or after ns will know, most of the rich kids are just white horse, who worked as clerks in army while the average male (e.g. my brother) chiong in jungle and risk having his rover overturning on him! So if the rich kids are doing easy jobs in army, do you think they will be there to protect Singapore in a real war??
the white horse in white shinning armour is a clerk, so i think he can use his pencil to poke the enemy right ?
and not most of the rich kids are white horse in clerks, i have several rich kids in combat vocations and they don't brag abt their status. -
Glad to find someone who shares the same sentiments as me!
I thought all sgporeans are garung... Phew!!Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Wuming was advocating for the defense of the country.
I was advocating defend what?
- Defend my pathethic $200 K HDB flat using the life of my brother? Do you know that a you don't really own your flat? Your flat is only borrowed from the government (HDB).
- So what are our males really defending? They are really defending the free hold or 999 years properties of the rich!
- As every guys in ns or after ns will know, most of the rich kids are just white horse, who worked as clerks in army while the average male (e.g. my brother) chiong in jungle and risk having his rover overturning on him! So if the rich kids are doing easy jobs in army, do you think they will be there to protect Singapore in a real war?? -
I don't understand.Originally posted by one-niner:in case ur not informed and i was too till recently, the reduction in NS didn't not affect the loss of allowance, infact the government increased allowance to allow difference of allowance to be paid over a 2 yr period instead, pls correct me if i am wrong here..
But let me guess, so you mean the government is going to refund my brother 6 x $2000 = $12000 of salary he could earn? -
Dun think gov't will be so nice......
Then how about refunding the economic loss I suffered during the 2 half years of not working in civilian world??Originally posted by Cindyfeh:I don't understand.
But let me guess, so you mean the government is going to refund my brother 6 x $2000 = $12000 of salary he could earn? -
Thanks for the concern one-niner. On the first hint of war, we will sell our flat, even for $20 K is ok. Then use all the money to get out ASAP! The choice is of course ours. You and your family can stay and protect the properties of the rich. Perhaps they will reward you with some $1 medals or something.Originally posted by one-niner:i understand your point, then what happenes if your brother doesn't protect you and the womenfolk like u get raped ? then who will save you ? the white horse in white shinning armour is a clerk, so i think he can use his pencil to poke the enemy right ?
and not most of the rich kids are white horse in clerks, i have several rich kids in combat vocations and they don't brag abt their status.
To me, I prefer to want my brother to live.
You might advocate that our fore fathers, including mine and yours have spent blood and sweat building Singapore. And thus the act of running away can be counted as disloyalty to the forefathers. I don;t think so. I think my ancestors will rather us protecting the blood line than wasting our lives. If our forefathers are really so loyal, they wouldn't "run away" from poverty in their old homeland to singapore. They should have stayed on to support their old homeland! -
Be like me..declare that your a gay...
then after getting your university degree...
escape from singapore...
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If i were a malaysian CDF, i would be very smart...
just need to ..make a fatwa...illegal to kill muslims...
then those muslims in singapore would have to follow it..because it is a higher decree...
Remember always, in religions ....it over-writes what your country tells you to do..
Last time, it was also that a powerful fatwa was issued to kill the zionist army thats why malaysia, indonesia and 99% of all middle eastern country followed the fatwa..and almost crushed Israel...
From a logical point of view, there's no point fighting..Would you kill someone
who has same colour and same race and religion..
and if u kill the yellow skinned..not only u get to rape them...you get to rule over them and get your very own special rights over in this island..
On a lighter note, if the malaysian CDF does it...i think singapore chances of winning is very slim...
Counter arguments anymore??
IMHO, either way goes, we still lose out. -
You're REALLI GAY>?!
Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Be like me..declare that your a gay...
then after getting your university degree...
escape from singapore...
=D -
IMHO, NS just do it la..Originally posted by fugue:You're REALLI GAY>?!
just get ready your china dual citizenship.../hongkong dual citizenship..
in case shlt happens...
and what i mentioned happens...
ive read alot of history books regarding israel and what the arab did to them..
and what they did to the arabs...
IMHO, when you do evil deed to someone..pple will remember it for live..
when u do good deed...they will forget...
So don't expect indonesians to forever regard us as friends.
and 1 more thing..
In malaysia ..the society has been split along racial lines..
very sad..also...
The world shouldn't split into racial lines..
cause when it splits unto like this...
people will more often see this colour as this and this...
So its inevitable...that clashes like the above mentioned 1 will occur..
To all singapore NSF, just be careful who you put with the rifle and who u put in charge of the food...
1 terrorist who was working in an US army camp...placed poison into the food..
shortly after September 11... -
I already DID it~! *ORD liao!!*
Most of the time, you're full of crap, didn't know you're quite knowledgeable...
AHEM!! That wasn't to praise you, I was merely commenting.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:
IMHO, NS just do it la..
just get ready your china dual citizenship.../hongkong dual citizenship..
in case shlt happens...
and what i mentioned happens...
ive read alot of history books regarding israel and what the arab did to them..
and what they did to the arabs...
IMHO, when you do evil deed to someone..pple will remember it for live..
when u do good deed...they will forget...
So don't expect indonesians to forever regard us as friends.
and 1 more thing..
In malaysia ..the society has been split along racial lines..
very sad..also...
The world shouldn't split into racial lines..
cause when it splits unto like this...
people will more often see this colour as this and this...
So its inevitable...that clashes like the above mentioned 1 will occur..
[b]To all singapore NSF, just be careful who you put with the rifle and who u put in charge of the food...
1 terrorist who was working in an US army camp...placed poison into the food..
shortly after September 11...[/b] -
anyway..your posting is opposite of God...
God is all about forgiveness and love..
Allah is all about love and peace also...
Countries with majorities believing in God..
Israel..
Middle East
U.S.A
Malaysia
Germany
Indonesia
Australia..
Australia has nudist beaches..Israel has a force which prowls around middle east mistaking terrorists as civilians.. U.S.A killed 100,000 Iraqis....
Malaysia doesn't offer equal rights to minorities..
Germany persecuted 6 million jews...Indonesia has poor human rights record
in aceh and east timor..and 1998 , thousands of chinese were killed..
1 more thing, God said that there must be love all around human beings..
I don't see UMNO giving love to all the fellow countrymates like Chinese..and Indians..
Ironically..LKY is a atheist and he gives alot of love to his fellow country-mates..
no , its no longer where is the LOVE..
its WHERE IS THE GOD????????
GOD WHERE ARE YOU? -
No, God is about living what he planned for you and serving your punishment when you deserved it........like the tidal wave must be God's way of punishing them!!!
There's a God afterall~!Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:anyway..your posting is opposite of God...
God is all about forgiveness and love.. -
any plans to rebutt me?Originally posted by fugue:No, God is about living what he planned for you and serving your punishment when you deserved it........like the tidal wave must be God's way of punishing them!!!
There's a God afterall~! -
What for?? You've already xia suayed yourself!!Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:any plans to rebutt me?
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what reasons do i have to lie to you?Originally posted by fugue:R U sure or not?
You have degree and can "easily find jobs", still want to sign on? First time, I hear people say "easy find jobs"...hahahaha!!!
Bluff who? U must be jobless for a few months, then sign on one!!
perhaps you would like to review your own mindsets about regulars, or at least to be more open-minded about ideas and facts that challenge your pre-conceptions. -
from NS to religion again ..*sigh* .....Originally posted by wuming78:what reasons do i have to lie to you?
perhaps you would like to review your own mindsets about regulars, or at least to be more open-minded about ideas and facts that challenge your pre-conceptions. -
that, is for your brother to decide.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:To me, I prefer to want my brother to live.
You might advocate that our fore fathers, including mine and yours have spent blood and sweat building Singapore. And thus the act of running away can be counted as disloyalty to the forefathers. I don;t think so. I think my ancestors will rather us protecting the blood line than wasting our lives. If our forefathers are really so loyal, they wouldn't "run away" from poverty in their old homeland to singapore. They should have stayed on to support their old homeland!
anyway what i stated was a fact: national service is for the defense of the country (any country with ns, not only singapore). whether the country is worth defending or not is besides the point and really up to the individual - and clearly you do not think it is. well, you are entitled to your own opinion.
also, a country, a nation, is more than the physical piece of land you live on. im sure you agree that many other things make up a nation. if its simply everything tangible to you, it really wouldnt matter where you are living would it? -
err.. i didnt say anything abt religion leh.Originally posted by one-niner:from NS to religion again ..*sigh* ..... -
No need, you regulars need to review yourself and stop being jealous of people having jobs in civilian world and thus making lives difficult for them in NS!!
Who ask your hand so itchy go and sign on??Originally posted by wuming78:what reasons do i have to lie to you?
perhaps you would like to review your own mindsets about regulars, or at least to be more open-minded about ideas and facts that challenge your pre-conceptions. -
U hope! It make us dumb. N some of those high rank regular officers tot they r big fcuk in the army n wanna abuse their rank n authority on NSF. They r big fcuk coz they r in the army with govt protection, go outside n work surely die.Originally posted by MunnaBhai_MBBS:Discipline....No Ns means our youth will have no dicipline like in other countries.....And they wont take things for granted...Like sg gals.. -
Yes its for my brother to decide, but from what I heard from him and his ns friends, none of them are too keen to defend Singapore. They had bad experiences with scholars and white horses in the army.Originally posted by wuming78:that, is for your brother to decide.
anyway what i stated was a fact: national service is for the defense of the country (any country with ns, not only singapore). whether the country is worth defending or not is besides the point and really up to the individual - and clearly you do not think it is. well, you are entitled to your own opinion.
also, a country, a nation, is more than the physical piece of land you live on. im sure you agree that many other things make up a nation. if its simply everything tangible to you, it really wouldnt matter where you are living would it?
I agree with you that a nation not only includes the tangibles but also erm, I can only think of 1 intangible: relationships (friends and relatives) that exist in a nation. I can only do my part in asking them to run when any war is coming. I don't see any point in fighting wars and killing people over tangibles items.