Martial Arts
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Ya that works but I can hardly carry a sword around with me all the time right?Originally posted by the.raven:learn sword fighting
Anyway gentlerock, is it true that Muay Thai has no ranking system? I didn't see any..I'm getting really interested in it now.. -
Hiya again.....Originally posted by PeRsEuS:Ya that works but I can hardly carry a sword around with me all the time right?
Anyway gentlerock, is it true that Muay Thai has no ranking system? I didn't see any..I'm getting really interested in it now..
Erm.....the answer is yes and no.
Where there are animals or humans, there will always be some sort of hierarchy (is that how you spell it?). Like me....always right at the bottom of any ladder.
I've never seen any actual ranking system in Thailand, but I've never seen any real ranking system (no belts, no colour system, no grading/testing, etc). The only test they have is in the ring. However, it is Thai culture that younger ones respect the older ones.....and that is quite obvious. The older ones are the trainers too, which may help in reinforcing respect from the younger ones.
However, Thai boxers do wear head gear (like a big hoop) into the ring, which is removed just before the fight. They also wear arm bands on their upper arms. These are coloured and are supposed to show ranks (student, fighter, master, etc.). But I noticed that the Thais don't give two hoots about this. Never heard anyone talking about these coloured staff at all in Thailand. In Thailand, everyone trains together at the same time....its freestyle and very messy, with everyone cramped in a space, all doing their own thing.
The only time I've heard of these coloured bands is in overseas muaythai schools (eg. in USA), some run by Thais. And on websites (I guess ranking does attract people, and thus money).
At BXG, they have divided classes into 3 categories for some very good reasons:
(1) Basic - for max. concentration for beginners. Teaches you how to strike, block, move, etc....boring! Like doing karate kata.
(2) Intermediate (they call is FITT or something) - this is where basic techniques are put into applications, including some sparring.
(3) Advanced - Free for all....the instructor himself is a member of this class. There are no instructors and they just work on bags, pads, run, spar, etc. This is like training in Thailand.
I've never taken classes at BXG, so I could be a bit wrong...but the general picture as given above should be right. So any BXG members, please feel free to correct me.
Maybe a better person to ask would be bo liao.....I think he was a muaythai instructor before.
For your info, Samadhi_Fire has trained in some gyms in Thailand too (please correct me if I'm wrong about the coloured head and arm bands in Thailand).
Well, strike when the iron is hot. BXG is quite a friendly place.....ask for an appointment and look around. Visit the gym and see how they train for yourself before making any decision. Best is to go on Tuesdays at about 8+ pm (thats when basic and intermediate classes run concurrently).
Lastly, please don't misunderstand that just because one trains in muaythai here, he can be of professional Thai fighter's standard. Its quite impossible because Thais train very differently from us (they start training at 6-8 years old and retired at 25.....and they train 6-8 hours EVERY SINGLE DAY during those years....its 2 million times worse than NS here).
Please remember I'm a noobie nad hobbyist.....so my views may be sort of frog-in-well syndrome type. -
Sorry, I should make myself clear and summarise.....
There is no strongly observed ranking system in Muaythai. However, where humans exist, there will always be some form of hierarchy....just whether its obvious or not and this greatly varies from gym to gym.
Comparing between different Asian martial arts.....muaythai has the least obvious ranking system. Other Asian arts, as you know, have their members separated into belt colours, etc.
My advice is not to go to any muaythai or boxing gym which makes you bow to them or call them grandmaster, sir, etc. Its all rubbish and erodes creativity and freedom. -
Heh Heh.....its entertainment night!
For those who think that TKD is better than Muaythai, please click here:
http://esse.melli.net/~samu/mastercup.mpg (approx. 12 mb, but fast
download)
For those who think that Muaythai is better than TKD, please click here:
http://www.raynerslanetkd.com/video/others/TkdVsThai.wmv (approx. 4 mb)
AS I SAID....ITS THE PERSON, NOT THE ART!!
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aiyoh best is to familiarise yourself with all the martial arts, den create po zao for every single one of them. After that you can write a new secret manual where you will hide it in some secret location in singapore.
In years to come, you will find people fighting over your manual to be tian xia di yi. -
get hook with kendo, it focus on speed and techique... is quite cool with a wooden sword and fight like a samurai...
and by the way... kendo is training you to be a samurai... if you like japanese sword fighting, try learn it. but the cost is expensive so prepared yr savings first... -
they got a ranking system lah...but not in those lik colour belts.its more of a ...er..well..er...the teacher say u good then u good lor.. tats wat happen when i was in thailand...they they grade u in the flower system..or some got ask u wear diff colour of shorts..Originally posted by PeRsEuS:Ya that works but I can hardly carry a sword around with me all the time right?
Anyway gentlerock, is it true that Muay Thai has no ranking system? I didn't see any..I'm getting really interested in it now..
in sg, u may not learn the most "cheap" way(as in jian)..cos most are the points system..abit lik tkd..
thai boxing an example; sg teach " knee the ribscage". but when i go thailand, they teach "knee the balls" ...see the diff?of cos there are for competition rules u must follow,but i go the thailand is for street fight one.i also kanna "ter kan" by thais there..ask me keep things..lolx...in the end, gotta use ground fighting to submid tat guy, but kanna scole by the instructor there, which i dun really understand..lolx..cos is to learn thai box, not to use other stuff.
tkd in sg teach u to do stright kicks, back thrusts,round house kick..but in japan(heard from friend-i dunno-) they teach u to kick in such a manner tat if u are the enemy would not expect the kick to come..i also kanna it b4 at singapore TKD fed by a black blet dunno wat country ppl.its lik his ball of his feet jus suddenly appear infront of my face,(when i close up want to elbow his face) then i was there on te ground cursing..lolx..
(i can only think its some how his leg move sideway up to his centre line to aim my face..something lik tat)
Its al bout the person,not the arts lah..its more of a personnel endurance/staminer/see got guts or not and whether the person got train really hard or not.. -
if you want to.. take muay thai then, im in taekwondo.. and im a second dan black belt.. i find it USELESS for street fights.. seriously.. only the unarmed combat stuff is useful.. other than the proper side kick/turning kick and back thrust.. the rest pf the kicks are all ceremonial
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gentlerock,
eh.. no idea about the headbands and stuff man. afaik, they're supposed to be blessed so got some religious meaning. the gym i was at was at some ulu part of thailand so all very poor. that means - they all share the same headband!
haha as for a couple of the ang mohs at the camp, what i got was that they wore the bands and the ankle guards cause they looked good.
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PeRsEuS,
There're pretty much alot of martial arts you can pick up for self-defence, in fact too much. Haha but ultimately, training method is important. Like bo liao pointed out, there are good TKD people out there and as coffeeortea countered, there are also bad TKD people out there.
It all depends on how that particular school trains. Muay Thai schools generally have sound training methods, same for Kyokushin Karate and Judo Schools. All these have sparring against resisting opponents incorporated into their training. Some schools like TKD and other Karate schools have that too but have an overemphasis on point/touch sparring which might work to their detriment.
So ultimately, make sure that the school that you pick has realistic sparring and training methods, i.e. strong basics and realistic form of sparring against resisting opponents. These will give you a good assurance for your self-defence abilities. -
Hapkido is a good MA to learn. To what I understand, most of the world special forces are trained in this form of MA. I saw this skill in demo. Dam good!
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Well, complement your TKD kicks with western boxing and you'll be fine. This is something like what Benny "The Jet" Urquidez did (karate + boxing). http://www.bennythejet.comOriginally posted by coffeeortea:if you want to.. take muay thai then, im in taekwondo.. and im a second dan black belt.. i find it USELESS for street fights.. seriously.. only the unarmed combat stuff is useful.. other than the proper side kick/turning kick and back thrust.. the rest pf the kicks are all ceremonial
I've always thought that TDK kicks were damned tricky. Like rubber, don't know where its coming up from. I'm most afraid of the jumping back thrust, especially when I'm rushing in to attack. Benny "The Jet" used this kick to knock out some Japanese fighters from the camp of Toshio Fujiwara even! -
Yeah, as I thought....haha. I've never seen any colour system or grading or whatever in Thailand too. I think only overseas schools use it lah....to make it more mystical.Originally posted by samadhi_fire:gentlerock,
eh.. no idea about the headbands and stuff man. afaik, they're supposed to be blessed so got some religious meaning. the gym i was at was at some ulu part of thailand so all very poor. that means - they all share the same headband!
haha as for a couple of the ang mohs at the camp, what i got was that they wore the bands and the ankle guards cause they looked good.
Ask the Thais about colour, they will tell you "huh? alai?". Even the shorts they wear are all torn and tattered....how to afford nice coloured arm band and stuff? -
EEEEEE. i had tkd grading today. =D
haha. see all the little kids with green/blue and black belts running about...
and then you see a bunch of seventeen year old white belts walking in. LOL. O_o -
So which belt are u now?Originally posted by Crystal_Dumpling:EEEEEE. i had tkd grading today. =D
haha. see all the little kids with green/blue and black belts running about...
and then you see a bunch of seventeen year old white belts walking in. LOL. O_o
Kids below 16 do not get the black belt.. instead, they get that ridiculous looking half-red half-black 'Poom' belt... and they can get promoted up to Poom 3, which is actually the equivalant of Dan 3. -
i'm among the seventeen year old white beltsOriginally posted by cornyfish2000:So which belt are u now?
Kids below 16 do not get the black belt.. instead, they get that ridiculous looking half-red half-black 'Poom' belt... and they can get promoted up to Poom 3, which is actually the equivalant of Dan 3.
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Oh ok.. Hope u enjoy your time learning taekwondo!Originally posted by Crystal_Dumpling:i'm among the seventeen year old white belts
o_O you lost me there.
Oh i was trying to say that there is a minimum age limit of 16 years for a trainee to attain the Full Black Belt (in which the whole belt is black in colour). Any brown-belt-with-black-tip trainee below the age of 16 who passes the Grading will not be able to get the Full Black Belt.. instead, he is awarded the Junior Black Belt (aka the Poom belt) -> the belt has 2 colours.. the top half of the belt is black, the bottom half is red. The Junior Black Belt is essentially the same as the Full Black Belt in terms of the Patterns and stuff learnt. And just like there are several grades of Full Black Belt (known as Dans, reflected as golden/yellow bars ironed on the front of the belt), there are also 3 grades of Junior Black Belt (Poom 1, 2 and 3), each equivalant to their respective Dans.
Junior black belters automatically get converted to their respective grades (Dans) of Full Black Belt once the trainee reaches the age of 16.
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Wanna know more abt tkd?U can watch this clip from this website http://www.blennus.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=29
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Wahaha so i'm trained in the arts of both muay thai and bjj.I feel damn confident whenever i walk out of the house.Self confidence indeed.And oh yea the gracie family is still the all time great,imagine the undefeated royler gracie.But yea sadly nowadays u need more than just a single art.Preferably both a stand up and ground combat.
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Gd for you...but i prefer rickson gracie...hehe, or Mikro CroCop..Originally posted by stellazio:Wahaha so i'm trained in the arts of both muay thai and bjj.I feel damn confident whenever i walk out of the house.Self confidence indeed.And oh yea the gracie family is still the all time great,imagine the undefeated royler gracie.But yea sadly nowadays u need more than just a single art.Preferably both a stand up and ground combat.
Learn "Chuan Kong Da Mo Yi" Tian Chan Jiao"Wan Fo Chao Zhong"See Xin Da Fa" can liao, no one can get near you. -
Well but vitor belfort will be one of my favourite fighters,and wanderlei silva is also freaking good.Apparently after the gracie's made grappling formidable,all the other fighter started picking it up and incorporate it together with their stand up combat.I heart vitor belfort was even trained by one of the gracies.Hmm
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Hello Perseus....
I was informed by the gym staff that yesterday, someone dropped by the gym and said that Gentlerock recommended him to go there. hahaha.....not all of them know who Gentlerock is lah.
Anyway, if it was you....welcome to the club.
Some of the gym staff are members of this forum too....and I just found out tonight! I knew them all the while, but never knew they were in sgForums too, till this evening. And there are others who are not members here, but they do read this forum once in a while (thanks to my big mouth ).
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I'm sorta a yellow in muay thai,considering that i should no longer be in the white category as i have been there close to 8 months and i sparred with my brown belt tkd fren,haha needless to say he couldn't even land any of his wonderfully artistic kicks on me,i just totally owned him and we are of the same size.even their fighting stance seems so wrong to me especially the way they punch?doesn't seem to be able to do alot of damage from the way they execute it,
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Stellazio, u r kinda of right.The standard of singapore taekwondo is getting from bad to worse.I have seem alot of tkd coaches who r not teaching the students the proper techniques.Many of them just taught them the patterns inorder to pass the grading.They nv realli ensure the standard of their kicking or techniques.Most just wanted to earn some money from coaching instead of the real passion.I can say many of the black belts cant even do a simple kick.Well, i cant say this martial art is better than another one.Y?Cos it depends on how much u learn, your experience in sparring and, how u r being trained.Here, i have two clips on tkd vs muay thai.One is tkd won over muay thai and another is muay thai over tkd.So, we cant realli judge the martial arts gd or not, just by judging one person standard.Originally posted by stellazio:I'm sorta a yellow in muay thai,considering that i should no longer be in the white category as i have been there close to 8 months and i sparred with my brown belt tkd fren,haha needless to say he couldn't even land any of his wonderfully artistic kicks on me,i just totally owned him and we are of the same size.even their fighting stance seems so wrong to me especially the way they punch?doesn't seem to be able to do alot of damage from the way they execute it,
http://www.raynerslanetkd.com/video/others/TkdVsThai.wmv
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oh! okayOriginally posted by cornyfish2000:Oh ok.. Hope u enjoy your time learning taekwondo!
Oh i was trying to say that there is a minimum age limit of 16 years for a trainee to attain the Full Black Belt (in which the whole belt is black in colour). Any brown-belt-with-black-tip trainee below the age of 16 who passes the Grading will not be able to get the Full Black Belt.. instead, he is awarded the Junior Black Belt (aka the Poom belt) -> the belt has 2 colours.. the top half of the belt is black, the bottom half is red. The Junior Black Belt is essentially the same as the Full Black Belt in terms of the Patterns and stuff learnt. And just like there are several grades of Full Black Belt (known as Dans, reflected as golden/yellow bars ironed on the front of the belt), there are also 3 grades of Junior Black Belt (Poom 1, 2 and 3), each equivalant to their respective Dans.
Junior black belters automatically get converted to their respective grades (Dans) of Full Black Belt once the trainee reaches the age of 16.
Hope this clarifies stuff abit.. 
haha. POOM! what a funny name....
my senior was telling me that's why some parents quickly send their kids when young, so that can have a Junior Black Belt, just convert....
eh, is it if girls are really attacked on the streets, just don't care everything and kick the balls?