City harvest invitation!!
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I understand how your feel and your yr think. Maybe not totally but I have the rough idea of what your thinking is. Different church got different purpose and mission. Something you don't like does not mean that something they do are wrong. Think about it, why do some of the churches are dying and instead of having people saved. The thing CHC does is totally different from other churches. One of the reason you say/critise them is because you don't understand what they are doing. You just base on what you see and what you get thoery. E.g Why do they worship like worship the devil or whatever. They aer worshipping a real God and mainly why other churches keep falling and falling is because they cannot feel the pressence. If you like a girl or a boy, would you tell yourself i love a bit or half., whether a bit of half, ITDOES NOT MATTER. The truth is you don't love her.. I take another example. Those who go singing or KTV always, do you sing half-dead as if you are dying or you sing with your heart and soul. What would you choose???
One more thing to say: Some of the thing is just based on what you see is what you get theory.E.g Understanding your parent . Don't tell you know everything. You can never understand them FULLY. When you say you know everything, actually you know nothing. -
1. some of the churches are dying and have people saved?Originally posted by dO|pH|n3 a.k.a JaMiE:I understand how your feel and your yr think. Maybe not totally but I have the rough idea of what your thinking is. Different church got different purpose and mission. Something you don't like does not mean that something they do are wrong. Think about it, why do some of the churches are dying and instead of having people saved. The thing CHC does is totally different from other churches. One of the reason you say/critise them is because you don't understand what they are doing. You just base on what you see and what you get thoery. E.g Why do they worship like worship the devil or whatever. They aer worshipping a real God and mainly why other churches keep falling and falling is because they cannot feel the pressence. If you like a girl or a boy, would you tell yourself i love a bit or half., whether a bit of half, ITDOES NOT MATTER. The truth is you don't love her.. I take another example. Those who go singing or KTV always, do you sing half-dead as if you are dying or you sing with your heart and soul. What would you choose???
One more thing to say: Some of the thing is just based on what you see is what you get theory.E.g Understanding your parent . Don't tell you know everything. You can never understand them FULLY. When you say you know everything, actually you know nothing.
wtf?
2. what chc does is totally different?
u mean other churches teach about god and chc teaches about the devil?
3. dont understand what im doing?
i was a christian before and i so knew i was singing about god when every song we sang can be just summarised to "i love you god"
4. what i see and what i get?
seeing is believing, if you see your boyfriend sleeping with another girl, will you think he is still faithful to you?
5. If you like a girl or a boy, would you tell yourself i love a bit or half., whether a bit of half, ITDOES NOT MATTER. The truth is you don't love her?
what kinda analogy is this. If i love a girl, of course i love her, if i love her abit of course i love her abit. what do you mean it does not matter, if i love her even abit, it means i have some love for her, how can the truth be i dont love her?
6.E.g Understanding your parent . Don't tell you know everything. You can never understand them FULLY. When you say you know everything, actually you know nothing.?
this is some serious horse shiet right there. how can you not know nothing about your parents after having lived your whole life with them.
to sum it all up, i think you have some serious issues and need to spend more time thinking before u start posting -
most of the things i have heard about CHC is bad.
1)they try to recruit as much young and good looking gals, so that the guys will come to the church.
2)heard some of the songs they sing belong to miss HO
3) my friend even told me the pastor promote her album and concert.
so?it this true? only tales that I have heard, please clarify if it is untrue, very bad to also think bad of CHC.
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To sgFish: People using what nick is none of your business.. A nick is just a representative of not letting people to know your real name.. Its not concerning what religion he/she is into..Originally posted by sgFish:its kinda strange. a supposed Christian having a nick "libra_gal". Astrology is considered occult by Christians yet you still choose that nick?
To All: For goodness sake, can u people open up your stupid brains to think??? Its juz a simple invitation & u people here make it worse.. I don't care how u condemn the church or what.. But every human being has its own believe.. All of u have no rights to stop people from believing.. I had read through whatever things all of u had said.. I could say that there isn't any logic.. All are nonsense.. All of u please think before u wanna say something and thinking doesn't means u only think of the faults.. U have to weigh the pros & cons..
To Coffeeortea: U don't believe in Christianity.. Its your problem.. Could u just keep your stupid self out of this place as u backstabbing the churches in Singapore.. Through what u have written in the posts.. U don't have a simple RESPECT in u.. U don't believe is ok, but at least show some RESPECT to the churches & the believers by not backstabbing them.. Every religion has its own believe & its own rights or way.. But u here just know how to see what others are doing, have u learn anything from them??? U just based on what they are doing & criticised them.. Have u ever wonder, if u post something here inviting people whom u don't even know & they started criticising the invitation or the venue of the event & everything they could think of to criticise.. I am quite utterly dissapointed with u having this type of thinking of not Respecting what people had done.. They are trying to get people save but u are here condenming.. I don't care what Sun Ho had done.. But I could say is that, every human being has their own rights of what they wanna do or believe.. And u are not someone who is leaglly right to condemn nor stop people from believing.. RESPECT everything just like how u respect your parents.. If u don't know how to RESPECT, it means U don't RESPECT your parents.. This is a very simple logic.. -
Hey CHC don't really recruit members.. People who went there are on their free will.. She don't promote her album nor concert in church.. Nothing u have heard is true.. If u really want to know the truth, don't ask people here.. Go to the church to find out the truth.. As by seeing & asking at the church will allow u to understand better.. People who see but don't ask will always condemn it..Originally posted by heavenlyfire:most of the things i have heard about CHC is bad.
1)they try to recruit as much young and good looking gals, so that the guys will come to the church.
2)heard some of the songs they sing belong to miss HO
3) my friend even told me the pastor promote her album and concert.
so?it this true? only tales that I have heard, please clarify if it is untrue, very bad to also think bad of CHC.
I have always been religion harmony.
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Originally posted by ren3e:
ho ho ho here comes the queen.. the one that is always right.. i see someone who is too ashamed to use his/her account to post this as it might reflect badly on him/herself.. hmm.. lets clarify a few things.
To sgFish: People using what nick is none of your business.. A nick is just a representative of not letting people to know your real name.. Its not concerning what religion he/she is into..
To All: For goodness sake, can u people open up your stupid brains to think??? Its juz a simple invitation & u people here make it worse.. I don't care how u condemn the church or what.. But every human being has its own believe.. All of u have no rights to stop people from believing.. I had read through whatever things all of u had said.. I could say that there isn't any logic.. All are nonsense.. All of u please think before u wanna say something and thinking doesn't means u only think of the faults.. U have to weigh the pros & cons..
To Coffeeortea: U don't believe in Christianity.. Its your problem.. Could u just keep your stupid self out of this place as u backstabbing the churches in Singapore.. Through what u have written in the posts.. U don't have a simple [b]RESPECT in u.. U don't believe is ok, but at least show some RESPECT to the churches & the believers by not backstabbing them.. Every religion has its own believe & its own rights or way.. But u here just know how to see what others are doing, have u learn anything from them??? U just based on what they are doing & criticised them.. Have u ever wonder, if u post something here inviting people whom u don't even know & they started criticising the invitation or the venue of the event & everything they could think of to criticise.. I am quite utterly dissapointed with u having this type of thinking of not Respecting what people had done.. They are trying to get people save but u are here condenming.. I don't care what Sun Ho had done.. But I could say is that, every human being has their own rights of what they wanna do or believe.. And u are not someone who is leaglly right to condemn nor stop people from believing.. RESPECT everything just like how u respect your parents.. If u don't know how to RESPECT, it means U don't RESPECT your parents.. This is a very simple logic..[/b]
yes, i dont believe in christianity, that is my problem. how have i backstabbed other churches? i attended 4 different churches before and i speak the truth about all 4 that i have attended. i dont have respect in me? ha.. ha.. what about the people who at the bus-stops who keep probing others to join churches.. and to believe in christianity? is that having respect in themselves? of course you base things on what you see, unless you are trying to say they do something but mean another? you go to bed with another man/woman but in your heart you are trying to give others a message that you love your spouse? did i say that christianity is bad.. we should not be christians.. no one should go to church? i have simply laid down what i have seen, what i have went through, and what i have not liked. that is my opinion. i am just sharing my experiences with everyone here. keep in mind that respect is earned. i have the right to respect what i want and not respect what i want. please call the cops to arrest me now if it is against the law to not respect. what kind of logic is, "if you dont know how to respect, it means you dont respect your parents". how is not knowing something linked to your parents? i definitely know how to respect. it is just like how i know how to kill someone, but i dont kill someone. -
also, please dont say i do not weigh the pros and cons, you may find it hard to believe but i do read the bible. that is because the "events" that took place in the bible have values for all to learn. Ultimately, if you narrow down every religion, it is to help nurture and mould any individual into a better person. the goals are definitely the same, but its the path that is different.
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How come always ask us to go and see for ourselves if we don believe? are u guys using reverse phsychology to get us to go to CHC?
oh and by the way, can i womonize the pretty girls that i see there? go u guys welcome sinners like rapist and robbers? do i have to pay entrance fee? -
ok. i give you the benefit of doubt. and I don think, christians will remained devoted if really such things is done.Originally posted by ren3e:Hey CHC don't really recruit members.. People who went there are on their free will.. She don't promote her album nor concert in church.. Nothing u have heard is true.. If u really want to know the truth, don't ask people here.. Go to the church to find out the truth.. As by seeing & asking at the church will allow u to understand better.. People who see but don't ask will always condemn it..
Anyway thanks for clarifying, and please don lose your calm over such ppl, there is no need to bring yourself down to their level. this is forum, ppl express their view freely.
most importantly, by losing your cool, won you be letting down what is being taught in such place? -
Originally posted by ren3e:To sgFish: People using what nick is none of your business.. A nick is just a representative of not letting people to know your real name.. Its not concerning what religion he/she is into..
well, under normal circumstances, the nick we get for ourselves is influenced by what is closest to us. I'd be extremely strange for me, as a Christian to call myself Buddha.... Of course, it is entirely possible that a nick is chosen out of random, but I think that such a chance is rather remote.
You know for someone (apparently a Christian as well as an apparently newbie) you are exceptionally crude and insulting in your opening note. You need to exercise a certain level of control in you language.Originally posted by ren3e:To All: For goodness sake, can u people open up your stupid brains to think??? Its juz a simple invitation & u people here make it worse.. I don't care how u condemn the church or what.. But every human being has its own believe.. All of u have no rights to stop people from believing.. I had read through whatever things all of u had said.. I could say that there isn't any logic.. All are nonsense.. All of u please think before u wanna say something and thinking doesn't means u only think of the faults.. U have to weigh the pros & cons..Originally posted by ren3e:
You need to know that we ALL form opinions, some right and others wrong. CHC has a long history of controversy among the forumites. Note too that not many churches get dissed that way CHC is. So please don't make the claim that people do NOT RESPECT CHURCHES. The truth is: people DO NOT RESPECT CHC BECAUSE OF HO YEOW SUN (and possibly Kong Hee).
To Coffeeortea: U don't believe in Christianity.. Its your problem.. Could u just keep your stupid self out of this place as u backstabbing the churches in Singapore.. Through what u have written in the posts.. U don't have a simple [b]RESPECT in u.. U don't believe is ok, but at least show some RESPECT to the churches & the believers by not backstabbing them.. Every religion has its own believe & its own rights or way.. But u here just know how to see what others are doing, have u learn anything from them??? U just based on what they are doing & criticised them.. Have u ever wonder, if u post something here inviting people whom u don't even know & they started criticising the invitation or the venue of the event & everything they could think of to criticise.. I am quite utterly dissapointed with u having this type of thinking of not Respecting what people had done.. They are trying to get people save but u are here condenming.. I don't care what Sun Ho had done.. But I could say is that, every human being has their own rights of what they wanna do or believe.. And u are not someone who is leaglly right to condemn nor stop people from believing.. RESPECT everything just like how u respect your parents.. If u don't know how to RESPECT, it means U don't RESPECT your parents.. This is a very simple logic..[/b]
Just because I do not respect an individual or organisation does not mean that I do not respect another individual or another organisation. Please get your facts right before shooting yourself in the foot, assuming you are as logical as you say you are, 'cos your entire note is DISREPECTFUL. So can I now conclude that you are disrepectful to your parents as well?
Please note too that my observation of Ho Yeow Sun's dressing in one of this week's Straits Time is extremely ridiculous. If that is not an attention seeker, I don't know (without resorting to profane words) what she is? -
I think the Miss HO part played a very big role in CHC reputation, in my religion, we cant recruit those who are famous or those who are into politics. Imagine the outroar that would cause? and the consequences?Originally posted by Chin Eng:You need to know that we ALL form opinions, some right and others wrong. CHC has a long history of controversy among the forumites. Note too that not many churches get dissed that way CHC is. So please don't make the claim that people do NOT RESPECT CHURCHES. The truth is: people DO NOT RESPECT CHC BECAUSE OF HO YEOW SUN (and possibly Kong Hee).
Just because I do not respect an individual or organisation does not mean that I do not respect another individual or another organisation. Please get your facts right before shooting yourself in the foot, assuming you are as logical as you say you are, 'cos your entire note is DISREPECTFUL. So can I now conclude that you are disrepectful to your parents as well?
Please note too that my observation of Ho Yeow Sun's dressing in one of this week's Straits Time is extremely ridiculous. If that is not an attention seeker, I don't know (without resorting to profane words) what she is?
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I think the Miss HO part played a very big role in CHC reputation, in my religion, we cant recruit those who are famous or those who are into politics. Imagine the outroar that would cause? and the consequences?
Neber ever mix religion with politics or you will get a real war outbreak sooner or later. From the time I am born till this day observation. Sad but true
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After all this discussion, do I still get a free CD if I go?
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aren't politicians people too? can't they do anything for what they believe in?Originally posted by heavenlyfire:I think the Miss HO part played a very big role in CHC reputation, in my religion, we cant recruit those who are famous or those who are into politics. Imagine the outroar that would cause? and the consequences?
point agree.
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Originally posted by sohguanh:
unfortunately, that is inevitable.. not only politics, education, corporate.. wadever. a newspaper reported about teachers in U.S refusing to teach evolution because the christian based community reject such a notion completely, even though the subject is mandatory. the schools are afriad, so at the most they slightly touch the subject and move on.
[b]I think the Miss HO part played a very big role in CHC reputation, in my religion, we cant recruit those who are famous or those who are into politics. Imagine the outroar that would cause? and the consequences?
Neber ever mix religion with politics or you will get a real war outbreak sooner or later. From the time I am born till this day observation. Sad but true [/b]
a secular society, is not always as secular as it should be. -
for wad, the cd sucks.Originally posted by charlize:After all this discussion, do I still get a free CD if I go? -
Read my earlier posts.Originally posted by Ito_^:for wad, the cd sucks.
I want those cds. -
he.. besides the insults, is right about flaming someone just because of an "invitation".Originally posted by Chin Eng:You know for someone (apparently a Christian as well as an apparently newbie) you are exceptionally crude and insulting in your opening note. You need to exercise a certain level of control in you language.
its crude from both sides, to end up flaming each other.. opinions are fine, some i don't like it, some i agree, but its bad when it turn into insults. to him, opinions that are insulting his church equates insulting him..
to me, i dun understand why chc pisses people off till the point where the mere mention of its name can initiate a whole bunch of people flaming.
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1. only 1/3 of the members are youths now. i don't know anyone who goes to church for gals.. yet.Originally posted by heavenlyfire:most of the things i have heard about CHC is bad.
1)they try to recruit as much young and good looking gals, so that the guys will come to the church.
2)heard some of the songs they sing belong to miss HO
3) my friend even told me the pastor promote her album and concert.
so?it this true? only tales that I have heard, please clarify if it is untrue, very bad to also think bad of CHC.
I have always been religion harmony.
2. she wrote some of the songs, but only praise and worship songs are sung. several others are written by inhouse musicians, so i gather they are training for future contempory christian pop stars? its a norm in u.s, aussie, to have worship songs that are similar to pop songs.. its a whole genre on its own.
3. this is true, but i don't like her pop songs so.. don't care. -
its only one song..Originally posted by charlize:Read my earlier posts.
I want those cds. budden again, i dun like her songs so its worthless to me. -
No, I want THOSE cds.Originally posted by Ito_^:its only one song.. budden again, i dun like her songs so its worthless to me. -
go ask the receiptionist lo.Originally posted by charlize:No, I want THOSE cds. -
y no 1 ans my questions? will the church accept sinners?
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or is it that they just want goody goody people?
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yes. do i look THAT innocent?Originally posted by dzylim:y no 1 ans my questions? will the church accept sinners?