The NSF who died of infection
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so what bacteria is it, did they find out.
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Famous quote:
"I give my son to let u all handle him for 2 years to change him into a man , not to change him into a dead body!" -
How's life at India army?Originally posted by Harris_JeyaRaj:i can tell u dudes....The NSF MOs are ok....but they are under tremendous stress of the unit RSM and CO...Sometimes they need to act that way to deter chao keng from getting their way thru..Sometimes they get carried away too...
But there are too many incidents involving MOs....the next people who are famous in a unit after RSM CSM ect are MOs! -
They can make people life's easier, why they don't just do so?Originally posted by bismarck:
With NGF and new submarines , i don't understand why SAF have to struggle so hard , even up til now.
Not to be slack of what , but they can also make their own life easier.
I rather enjoy my life rather then to be worried and constantly in paranoia that the enemy is going to attack tomorrow. -
how can a civilian doctor use threats of charge against a military personnel?
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I thoought u were long dead////how did u come back alive?Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Famous quote:
"I give my son to let u all handle him for 2 years to change him into a man , not to change him into a dead body!" -
Even if the doctor is not at wrong in his diagnosis, his treatment of the patient alone should earn him some sanctions. I think he should be suspended fom practising for a couple of months to teach him a lesson in patient care.
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maybe if we create enough of a stink here, the power-that-be will be force to do something concrete. you know, similar to what happened concerning the POW training death of Sgt Hu.
don't know about the details of that previous incident but i think this is like criminal negligence. and coming from health care professionals, it's just many times worse. they should really be made to pay for the cover up and the way they treat the family. -
ya, and maybe let him/them 'care' for someone else again, eh?Originally posted by lwflee:Even if the doctor is not at wrong in his diagnosis, his treatment of the patient alone should earn him some sanctions. I think he should be suspended fom practising for a couple of months to teach him a lesson in patient care.
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I think strict measures should be in place for Doctors who practise to ensure they know their stuff well. What is the problem with the educated in sg now?Originally posted by fett:maybe if we create enough of a stink here, the power-that-be will be force to do something concrete. you know, similar to what happened concerning the POW training death of Sgt Hu.
don't know about the details of that previous incident but i think this is like crimial negligence. and coming from health care professionals, it's just many times worse. they should really be made to pay for the cover up and the way they treat the family.
Study degree, spend lots of money getting a lifeless piece of paper, secure a well paying job and just slack? What happens to work commitment, passion, and integrity ?
There may be foreigners reading our forums. What is the impressions they get? that we are slackers?
Doctors in other countries are making medical breaktrhus and new discoveries for the benefit of mankind and its survival. what have we here? deaths due to medical negligence? -
A 2nd case is just waiting to be happened.
Wonder who's the next unlucky victim. Definitely not me though. -
how many victims we already had so far?Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:A 2nd case is just waiting to be happened.
Wonder who's the next unlucky victim. Definitely not me though. -
1 after 1, after 1 ,after 1 , after 1...Originally posted by Harris_JeyaRaj:how many victims we already had so far? -
SAF should established a stronger "Health , Welfare and Safety Panel"...
should identify the causes and prevent mishaps from happening.
Going by these cases, its no wonder why the general public have lost faith in the SAF... Haven't go to war already have casualty ..
The dunking could have been prevented, what happened to the diver could have been prevented, what happened to this NSF corporal could have been prevented, what happened to the WO could have been prevented , navy ship collision could have been prevented..Fighter jet crash could have been prevented.. -
What if the case were a genuine one?
Of course the doctor wouldn't empathise with the person who lost his family member , inside the doctor's eyes...he's just a "probable" slacker who is probably trying to slack.
One day, should have a day whereby recruits become officers and officers become recruits to let them have a taste of their own medicine. -
Wait a minute. There is really no concrete basis to suggest that the doctor involved did not know his medicine. Contrary to what would apparently be a widely held Singaporean belief, medicine is not black and white; the 'shaken baby syndrome' cases is just one example where medical opinion is split. Doctors have to make judgements to the best of their ability, based on the information available to them at the time, and those judgement calls may not always be correct. It is said that hindsight is always 20/20. Unfortunately, Doctors do not have the ability to predict the future. To punish them for honest mistakes would be unjust, unfair and detrimental to healthcare in Singapore.Originally posted by Harris_JeyaRaj:I think strict measures should be in place for Doctors who practise to ensure they know their stuff well. What is the problem with the educated in sg now?
Study degree, spend lots of money getting a lifeless piece of paper, secure a well paying job and just slack? What happens to work commitment, passion, and integrity ?
There may be foreigners reading our forums. What is the impressions they get? that we are slackers?
Doctors in other countries are making medical breaktrhus and new discoveries for the benefit of mankind and its survival. what have we here? deaths due to medical negligence?
Also, i think that our doctors are largely speaking NOT slacking "after getting their papers". Quoted below is an excerpt from a study conducted on the sleeping patterns of Singapore doctors:
One last thing: The incident took place at NUH. Why is the SAF being bashed?
Sleeping habits of new housemen
Since beginning work, the house officers reported that
they were sleeping 1.0 h (± 2.0) on previous nights of call
and 6.0 h (± 1.0) on non-call nights. The difference between
the sleep obtained on call nights and non-call nights was
significant (p=0.00). Fourteen (36.8%) of the 38 housemen
reported not having had any sleep at all on previous calls.
Twenty seven (71.1%) of the 38 housemen felt they were
not getting enough sleep since they became housemen.
Assessment on the night of call
Thirty four of the 38 h officers managed to get sleep during
the night on call, while 4 had no sleep at all. For those who
managed to sleep, the total and uninterrupted sleep time
measured only 2.0 h (± 1.6) and 1.0 h (± 1.5), respectively.
The housemen who slept were interrupted out of sleep with
a median of 5.0 (± 5.0) times.
Night duty and mood
Thirty four of the 38 house officers studied found night
duty to adversely affect their mood. Of the 34 participants,
all felt more tired, 24 felt more ill tempered, 13 felt more
depressed and 14 disoriented, while 9 reported night duty
to have made them more anxious
(K. Puvanendran, Jayant Venkatramani, Amit Jain and Mohamad Farid, Sleep Deprivation in Junior Doctors - House Officers in Singapore, http://www.niih.go.jp/en/indu_hel/2005/pdf/43-1-19.pdf, November 2004) -
Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:
i don't think you have enough facts to say all these incidents could have been prevented.
The dunking could have been prevented, what happened to the diver could have been prevented, what happened to this NSF corporal could have been prevented, what happened to the WO could have been prevented , navy ship collision could have been prevented..Fighter jet crash could have been prevented..[/b]
remember, a few days before the death of the WO, another young, (apparently) healthy PE teacher died in similar circumstances. so do you suggest that PE teachers don't run? -
what is "probable" slacker?....how can a doctor think a patient is lying without even knowing what is wrong with him?....He had a rare infection..If i was the doctor i would probably seen it already....Wtf are the doctors doing?Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:What if the case were a genuine one?
Of course the doctor wouldn't empathise with the person who lost his family member , inside the doctor's eyes...he's just a "probable" slacker who is probably trying to slack.
One day, should have a day whereby recruits become officers and officers become recruits to let them have a taste of their own medicine.
What if it was a new strain of Sars outbreak or something similar?...WTF were they thought to do? to quarantine right?.....if i was a doc , i would have probably quarantined the patient if didnt know what was happening to him and wait for an expert examination.... -
Things like this would occur naturally , but the sufficient measures only comes into place , when during a crisis response role.Originally posted by fett:i don't think you have enough facts to say all these incidents could have been prevented.
remember, a few days before the death of the WO, another young, (apparently) healthy PE teacher died in similar circumstances. so do you suggest that PE teachers don't run? -
If a PE teacher dies, no one may notice but someone in SAF dies...there is someone to be answerable....Blame the rank system and the paranoia of humans,...obviously people will have the impressio the person died due to either 1) Tough training and 2) Ineffeicney of managementOriginally posted by fett:i don't think you have enough facts to say all these incidents could have been prevented.
remember, a few days before the death of the WO, another young, (apparently) healthy PE teacher died in similar circumstances. so do you suggest that PE teachers don't run? -
Some doctors can't be bothered . Some are just lazy , Some just wanna ignore , Some can't handle their job and responsibility.Originally posted by Harris_JeyaRaj:what is "probable" slacker?....how can a doctor think a patient is lying without even knowing what is wrong with him?....He had a rare infection..If i was the doctor i would probably seen it already....Wtf are the doctors doing?
What if it was a new strain of Sars outbreak or something similar?...WTF were they thought to do? to quarantine right?.....if i was a doc , i would have probably quarantined the patient if didnt know what was happening to him and wait for an expert examination....
Time to watch out for the finger pointing session
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and we pay taxes to breed this sh^t?.....Let them pint fingers at each other noses or even A@@ses.i dont care...but i feel sorry for the NSF who died....Watever it is , he wont be alive again...Originally posted by SMAPLionHeart:Some doctors can't be bothered . Some are just lazy , Some just wanna ignore , Some can't handle their job and responsibility.
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The key crux of the matter is , be it crisis , or even heart attacks or drownings ....do happen . What really matters then , is not pushing the blame about , is about how SAF can really learn from what happens and take considerable effort , to ensure a good crisis response so that the similar event does not happen again.
I do not wish to see any more deaths in the SAF in the future .
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There's always an optionOriginally posted by Harris_JeyaRaj:and we pay taxes to breed this sh^t?.....Let them pint fingers at each other noses or even A@@ses.i dont care...but i feel sorry for the NSF who died....Watever it is , he wont be alive again...
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