City Harvest is all about BGR?
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One of their 'teaching' is you got to have a christian bf/gf. Difference in religion may cause the relationship to suffer and eventually break off. Once, they break off he/she will have more time in church to serve God. If not, they'll tell him/her to bring his/her bf/gf to church. 'Brainwashing machines.'Originally posted by kpsboard:Well. i had a friend who was a free thinker, which his steady is from a church. Her gf change church to CHC and 1 day after she went in, she broke up with my friend, saying that god say that she and him will have no future as my friend was a free thinker i supposed.
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so ma fan as well dun go to dat kinda trendy church again. its killin lifes. and so many complaints of cant do,this or that. arghhh!!!
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and there's a saying which goes..Originally posted by klishcia:One of their 'teaching' is you got to have a christian bf/gf. Difference in religion may cause the relationship to suffer and eventually break off. Once, they break off he/she will have more time in church to serve God. If not, they'll tell him/her to bring his/her bf/gf to church. 'Brainwashing machines.'
"Love transcends all borders..."
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I went there twice
the holy songs they sang seem like love songs.
wanna go there again.maybe these songs are useful when catching girls
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Be careful not to be 'brainwash'. I was a victim..Originally posted by lovespecter:I went there twice
the holy songs they sang seem like love songs.
wanna go there again.maybe these songs are useful when catching girls 
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brainwash; brainwashin; brainwashed.
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This is one of chc's teachings..''if u are a christian u can't look for partner who isn't a christian..unless u bring him or her to church and get him so called''saved" meaning received christ..hahahs..interesting isn't it..then the entire of kong's family and the ppl of chc ministry will get more income...!! how "clever" they are! "refer to chc invitation then u'll noe y i include e ppl "serving" in the ministry"
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When they move away, i think the coffee shop owner will cry ....
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hahahs..perhaps..but other ppl may feel much happier..as they will got more vacant seats now during sat and sunday...unlike last time where city harvesters "choop" all the seats in the coffee shop..making the whole area crampy and stuffy..for some ppl..they can sit at the kopitiam for hours..just to 'lim' one cup of kopi ..really inconsiderate la..ppl want empty seats so much..and there they are..sitting there and chit chatting away merrily..
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Even then, it's better to have a crowd than no crowd at all. At least in business sense. That aside, I just want to repeat something else.Originally posted by the wise one:hahahs..perhaps..but other ppl may feel much happier..as they will got more vacant seats now during sat and sunday...unlike last time where city harvesters "choop" all the seats in the coffee shop..making the whole area crampy and stuffy..for some ppl..they can sit at the kopitiam for hours..just to 'lim' one cup of kopi ..really inconsiderate la..ppl want empty seats so much..and there they are..sitting there and chit chatting away merrily..
As much as I dislike how CHC operates as a church or how I think it has failed as a church, I really have not seen for myself how the church has directly taken steps to promote the sales of Sun Ho's albums. I've seen no mention of Sun Ho's albums or concerts in the newsletters nor heard anything during the services.
What I've seen is church members who are over zealous in supporting one of their church members, people who don't see a difference in supporting Sun Ho the artiste and CHC the church. Not that I feel the money is really being put to good use either way, just to clarify a point. As for church members being "persuaded" to buy the album, I see it more as peer pressure especially among the students to buy. Everyone's buying so I have to buy too.
The buying is where I feel CHC might have failed as a church, that some people are all into the hype rather than actual worship. Sun Ho, the big church, the elaborate worship and the whole hip and happening CHC idea. -
well, i can confidently say that i'm there to worship God. not there for a hype or a party, but i'm in serious business with God.Originally posted by SumOne:Even then, it's better to have a crowd than no crowd at all. At least in business sense. That aside, I just want to repeat something else.
As much as I dislike how CHC operates as a church or how I think it has failed as a church, I really have not seen for myself how the church has directly taken steps to promote the sales of Sun Ho's albums. I've seen no mention of Sun Ho's albums or concerts in the newsletters nor heard anything during the services.
What I've seen is church members who are over zealous in supporting one of their church members, people who don't see a difference in supporting Sun Ho the artiste and CHC the church. Not that I feel the money is really being put to good use either way, just to clarify a point. As for church members being "persuaded" to buy the album, I see it more as peer pressure especially among the students to buy. Everyone's buying so I have to buy too.
The buying is where I feel CHC might have failed as a church, that some people are all into the hype rather than actual worship. Sun Ho, the big church, the elaborate worship and the whole hip and happening CHC idea.
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As a church, it has missed it's function and focus. I agree.Originally posted by SumOne:Even then, it's better to have a crowd than no crowd at all. At least in business sense. That aside, I just want to repeat something else.
As much as I dislike how CHC operates as a church or how I think it has failed as a church, I really have not seen for myself how the church has directly taken steps to promote the sales of Sun Ho's albums. I've seen no mention of Sun Ho's albums or concerts in the newsletters nor heard anything during the services.
What I've seen is church members who are over zealous in supporting one of their church members, people who don't see a difference in supporting Sun Ho the artiste and CHC the church. Not that I feel the money is really being put to good use either way, just to clarify a point. As for church members being "persuaded" to buy the album, I see it more as peer pressure especially among the students to buy. Everyone's buying so I have to buy too.
The buying is where I feel CHC might have failed as a church, that some people are all into the hype rather than actual worship. Sun Ho, the big church, the elaborate worship and the whole hip and happening CHC idea.
That's why they admit that they are organisation.
Their MO is obviously coporate style.
Cheers
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That's good to hear. Hope you continue to grow and may you play a part in guiding the misguided, even those within your own house. CHC needs sincere followers like yourself to quiet the tongues of CHC opposers like us. Do the lord proud.Originally posted by The Emperor:well, i can confidently say that i'm there to worship God. not there for a hype or a party, but i'm in serious business with God.
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so i suppose u dont go to national stadium when there is a service?Originally posted by The Emperor:well, i can confidently say that i'm there to worship God. not there for a hype or a party, but i'm in serious business with God.
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Author: All Members of CHC
Out now at the nearest book shop around you. -
SumOne, if you are in the church in year 2002, you'll see how the other pastors promote her albums. They'll encourage every member to buy. Her first album is sold in church, they got 'bundle sale' 5cd cost $70+. They 'encourage' everyone to buy 5cd and give to friends/family (thats how the 'free cd' thing come about). Even now, though less promotion in church but they'll keep updating members how well her song is doing in billboard. I joined her fan club, they got an outing and i wasn't informed. So, where did the ppl come from?Originally posted by SumOne:What I've seen is church members who are over zealous in supporting one of their church members, people who don't see a difference in supporting Sun Ho the artiste and CHC the church. Not that I feel the money is really being put to good use either way, just to clarify a point. As for church members being "persuaded" to buy the album, I see it more as peer pressure especially among the students to buy. Everyone's buying so I have to buy too.
The buying is where I feel CHC might have failed as a church, that some people are all into the hype rather than actual worship. Sun Ho, the big church, the elaborate worship and the whole hip and happening CHC idea.
The super bad thing that happen to me that year was, i was in bible school. I know what's going on and what happened.
{Did some editing, scared later kena sue. Those who 'quote' pls change also. Just delete the 2 sentences. Thanks.}
Its like an 'automatic' thing for the members to buy her album, support her concert/appearance etc. When she start out she's already 30 and this year will be 35. For the pop scene now, she's considered lucky.
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CHC aside, dunno whether enyone of you every encountered this not.. but here goes...
When I was in my year two poly, i was invited to attend a church function somewhere around somerset yputh park there... forgot the name le about 4 yrs ago liao... initially i was just giving face to my friend cos we been friend for long time liao mah.. then introduce me to some of her friends lor.. then just so happened that one of her friends also study in the same poly as me.. i just 'ying xiu ying xiu ' lor... who knows he go and take my number from my friend sia... who is not even in the same poly as me...
at first it was okie, he just asked me to join him for dinner and stuff every time.. then i went along lor.. as the time flew by, he started asking me what my religion was.. to which i replied, 'i'm registered as a buddhist in my IC'. then he invited me to go along with him to church again, to which i decline politely bah...
then after a few more times, i just felt like bashing him up. the very last time he tried to convince me actually made me feel very disgusted with him. He asked 'why are you a buddhist?'. I just said, 'maybe cos i've been following my parents and that i'm comfortable with my religion lor'.
then he said 'you should have more free will in yourself and shouldnt follow blindly with your parents like that, do you think you are happy being a buddhist?'
i was like 'wtf? whether or not i happy at least i wasnt forced into it.'
he ended the evening with these last words 'I think buddhist is the worshipping of devils.'
I stopped my meal, gave him the longer middle fingers, which err my middle finger could extend that day and greeted him off with an 'FU!'
I never heard from him since.. but it's really one of my most terrified experiences ever... I was being respesctful and friendly, and just because i dont make friends by judging what religion they believe in, he took it as an opening to convince me... i tot he would give up when i refused so many times, but still he's like a huge rock, not bulging man..
i think it's a minority for people like him to behave, but i believe these people are doing the wrond thing. I still remembered people standing buy my poly's overheard bridge asking people to join them for church hahaha.... -
lols got a uncle long ago.holding a bible in his hand.
stop me to have a chat with him.
asking me whether i believe in christianity or am i one of dem.
saying he last time buddhist step in a wrong religion.
saying that christianity is the real thing.
trying to convince mi to go visit the church and b part of it. -
[quote]lols got a uncle long ago.holding a bible in his hand.
stop me to have a chat with him.
asking me whether i believe in christianity or am i one of dem.
saying he last time buddhist step in a wrong religion.
saying that christianity is the real thing.
trying to convince mi to go visit the church and b part of it. Laughing
Well, u can very well tell ur uncle straight in his face that u hav been 'brainwashed'. Thou i normally stand on the fence, but for CHC cases, i just can't. I feel that their 'preaching' is a totally bias education to the believers, and getting them to 'donate' $$$ on 'construction' & 'maintenance' fees...
I feel that when they say 'a christian can only be with a christian', they r only tryin to cover up their motives. It seems to me tat the ppl managin CHC are tryin to put a 'barrier' around their believers, so tat dey wun be influenced by deir boy/girl-frenz to leave their 'system of education'.
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these people are full of bs -.-
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Forcing people to join religions is not in the Bible. Embezzling money isn't. Required donations isn't. Hard-sell tactics ain't.
It seems that the Christianity here had evolved from what seems to be a good religion into one so much different from how it is painted in the Bible.
The "Christians" who always try and persuade their friends to go Church and convert them so that they can get something in return should wake up their idea. They won't be saved, hell no, but they will go to Hell. They only care about the open opportunities to earn more money. What for go to Church then, if you are not loyal to your religion?
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If that's really true, then it's just another area where City Harvest has failed as a church. Really sad.Originally posted by klishcia:SumOne, if you are in the church in year 2002, you'll see how the other pastors promote her albums. They'll encourage every member to buy. Her first album is sold in church, they got 'bundle sale' 5cd cost $70+. They 'encourage' everyone to buy 5cd and give to friends/family (thats how the 'free cd' thing come about). Even now, though less promotion in church but they'll keep updating members how well her song is doing in billboard. I joined her fan club, they got an outing and i wasn't informed. So, where did the ppl come from?
The super bad thing that happen to me that year was, i was in bible school. I know what's going on and what happened. Its like an 'automatic' thing for the members to buy her album, support her concert/appearance etc. When she start out she's already 30 and this year will be 35. For the pop scene now, she's considered lucky. -
They say no money, cannot go to heaven.Originally posted by launtpc:Forcing people to join religions is not in the Bible. Embezzling money isn't. Required donations isn't. Hard-sell tactics ain't.
It seems that the Christianity here had evolved from what seems to be a good religion into one so much different from how it is painted in the Bible.
The "Christians" who always try and persuade their friends to go Church and convert them so that they can get something in return should wake up their idea. They won't be saved, hell no, but they will go to Hell. They only care about the open opportunities to earn more money. What for go to Church then, if you are not loyal to your religion?
I am not a Christian, but fed up of those persuading me.
So how? -
I rather suffer with the masses then.
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went to another church last sunday..it was totally different from chc..
practises and everything..during the offering time..they just passed the holy bucket around and ..ppl juz gave out of their own will......and moreover their church was so peaceful and calm..i could focus on god more in that church..
unlike chc..