WHERE IS GOD ??
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YUPOriginally posted by renorenal:If God really shows his existence, I think even before we see HIM, we all melt liau... all the natural disasters present, if HE were the cause, it is not even worth a command of a blink of an eye... Imagine if HE were to blow on Earth... but God so loves us, HE will not do that, HE wants us to accept HIM, but yet HE gave us freewill...
So Fugue, we all can go on telling you about this, but in the end, it is your freewill to believe whether where God is... -
Hopefully your friend will receive Jesus into his life and so the gift of eternal life.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:haha, thats what my friend said oso. when he was telling us his OCS experience.
he said he found that human v self centered wan, only will turn to god when they're in trouble, and thats what he's doing. really turning to god haha.
i've another friend, who always told me he will never believe in god, because he thought that people who rely on god was weak. cannot depend on themselves.
now he's visiting a church and really open to it. hope he receives soon.
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One of my friend even put in his msn display name: God is not here today.
Maybe he is disappointed with God. Actually there is these good books to read, by Yancey Phillip (sp?) --> Disappointment with God and Where is God when it hurts. -
I was told to put all Quotes to questions. I was teach not to accept blindly of any rules.Originally posted by OH-FF:I'm asking that to look for God's "perfect" creation, look into yourself, and also what you know is true.
The truth is Faith. And there are such things that exists that defines ourselves not anger , but there are things that cannot be proven until the end. Things like love, destiny, life.
Just to point out some Facts.
Under the religion of Muslim, was said child are born when Man & women comes together. Now was proved not the correct, "Test Tube Babies".
The word "Faith" have very deep root. I think it should be better said as "Faith with eyes wide open & mind clear." -
i can bet with all u christians with my life that god doesnt exist. if he really does, tell him to take my life. thx alot.
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when everyone is happy..no problems...rich...do they remember god? most probably no....ppl only remember god when this kinda things happen...Originally posted by Mr Fugue:when all those disasters/castastrophes happen, where is god, how can he just let people die/suffer??
or maybe there isn't any god to begin with, like what Bush said.
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It would be sad for Humanity when one day , you cannot marry and have babies with someone whose DNA is "incompatible" on your biological identity card.Originally posted by surfer188:I was told to put all Quotes to questions. I was teach not to accept blindly of any rules.
Just to point out some Facts.
Under the religion of Muslim, was said child are born when Man & women comes together. Now was proved not the correct, "Test Tube Babies".
The word "Faith" have very deep root. I think it should be better said as "Faith with eyes wide open & mind clear." -
why would God want your life anywayOriginally posted by skyfoo:i can bet with all u christians with my life that god doesnt exist. if he really does, tell him to take my life. thx alot.
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it is said in the bible that we shldnt test GodOriginally posted by skyfoo:i can bet with all u christians with my life that god doesnt exist. if he really does, tell him to take my life. thx alot. -
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
can tell me the title n author of that book?very keen on reading it. thnx
aiya... if u believe, you will believe... if you die die won't believe, appear in front of you oso you won't believe, take pictures oso ppl won't believe. i said this many times liao.
but don't worry... you all will see Jesus all at one shot, just like you wished for. but that's pretty much the end liao.
sh!t happens. that's life.. christian don't mean their life is a bed of roses you know.. see the sh!t you non-believers give us? zzz,
but seriously though... sometimes christians' lives are harder than non-believers, some good people choose to be missionaries in 3rd world countries, even though they are scholars etc, can get good jobs etc. really respect man..
bible never tell us our lives here are gonna be sweet, but god promise that he will always protect us, provide for us, deliver us.
[b]i've got this book, you all should read, its about this china man who is a preacher in china. keena alot of problem, keena caught, got his legs broken, go thru torture etc. like japanese occupation.
but on the other hand, he experience so many miracles, how he was able to reach out to the lost in prison, experience divine intervention, walk out of prison miraclously etc.
so some ppl see the hardship he endure, but others marvel at the experiences he has with god.
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Actually, all these disasters have already been mentioned in the BIBLE. You can read Matthew 24. It talks about the signs of end age and the coming of Christ.
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So if God protects us? What about those that commit suicide?
So what are we living in this world for? For Christians, i believed they live in service of God. But what about those that doesn't believe in God (free-twinkle). Do we have a purpose in life? Where does life begins and where does it ends? -
Heard of Nostradamus and his Centuries?Originally posted by dunkcan:Actually, all these disasters have already been mentioned in the BIBLE. You can read Matthew 24. It talks about the signs of end age and the coming of Christ. -
To prove your point... hahaah I'm sure you guys have heard of the joke anywayz particularly to skyfoo...Originally posted by sgFish:why would God want your life anyway
There was this professor who never believed in God and told the class that if God is here, why won't HE show himself and why won't HE do something miraculous? If there is really a God, he told his class, then HE can take his life right now in 10 seconds or make a mircale...
10 seconds passed by...
See, HE still havent, and I am very much alive, so there is NO GOD!! We don't see HIM!!
Having faith is bullsh.it, coz he is not scientifically proven, and still, afterall I cant see HIM...
A girl from the end of the class raised her hand to ask a question.
The professor allowed the girl to do so...
And she asked, professor, do you believe that you have a brain in your head?
Professor: YES why not
Girl: have you seen it beforE?
Professor: No
Girl: Then how do you know its there?
Professor: I know coz I believe its there
Girl: Are you sure sir? Do you have faith it is there?
Professor: Yes I do! Why do you ask silly questions
Girl: Well sir, you mentioned that without seeing it, you can't prove it that it is there and furthermore you don't believe in faith, hence I believe sir, that you don't have a brain...
Professor: Wat the........ (speechless) -
I'm all confused.
First, God created two "Perfect" humans - Adam & Eve. Then they fell pray to temptation. So, they are inperfect afterall.
Then the bible predicted all the endings. Someone mentioned we can read it in Mattew.
Can't help be think that this is a game God is playing. Create "perfect" humans then tell you what's going to happen in the end. No wonder someone also mentioned Christians suffer more.
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Again, let me remind u that the renoreal's post is a concept in psychology, in certain countries like australia, psychologists are not allowed to use their expertise in aid of religion
duh..
If u guys are interested, go look for shredded brain forum
my friend deadpoet posted this once -
actually, the bible says that humans are not created perfect. Angels are created perfect but men are created "a little lower than angels". you see, God created angels first, and made them perfect. so much so that when they commit a wrong, there is no room for redemption. they become fallen angels. and they cannot come to the likeness of God himself.Originally posted by Archirodon:I'm all confused.
First, God created two "Perfect" humans - Adam & Eve. Then they fell pray to temptation. So, they are inperfect afterall.
Then the bible predicted all the endings. Someone mentioned we can read it in Mattew.
Can't help be think that this is a game God is playing. Create "perfect" humans then tell you what's going to happen in the end. No wonder someone also mentioned Christians suffer more.
God thus created men, in hope of helping him grow to his perfection, to be on equal standing with him ultimately. men have room for mistakes, thats why he has room for growth.
but unfortunately, some men do not seek to grow in the Lord. they want God to do everything for them, and when God doesnt, they say he doesnt love them....
oh boy... -
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+5Originally posted by starblue:actually, the bible says that humans are not created perfect. Angels are created perfect but men are created "a little lower than angels". you see, God created angels first, and made them perfect. so much so that when they commit a wrong, there is no room for redemption. they become fallen angels. and they cannot come to the likeness of God himself.
God thus created men, in hope of helping him grow to his perfection, to be on equal standing with him ultimately. men have room for mistakes, thats why he has room for growth.
but unfortunately, some men do not seek to grow in the Lord. they want God to do everything for them, and when God doesnt, they say he doesnt love them....
oh boy... -
First of all .. is perfect a theological term?Originally posted by starblue:actually, the bible says that humans are not created perfect. Angels are created perfect but men are created "a little lower than angels". you see, God created angels first, and made them perfect. so much so that when they commit a wrong, there is no room for redemption. they become fallen angels. and they cannot come to the likeness of God himself.
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Question 1!Originally posted by starblue:actually, the bible says that humans are not created perfect. Angels are created perfect but men are created "a little lower than angels". you see, God created angels first, and made them perfect. so much so that when they commit a wrong, there is no room for redemption. they become fallen angels. and they cannot come to the likeness of God himself.
God thus created men, in hope of helping him grow to his perfection, to be on equal standing with him ultimately. men have room for mistakes, thats why he has room for growth.
but unfortunately, some men do not seek to grow in the Lord. they want God to do everything for them, and when God doesnt, they say he doesnt love them....
oh boy...
Perfect meant without flaw.
How can flawless one be flawed with mistakes or wrongdoings?
Question 2!
Why does GOD need men to stand equally with him?
Is he somewhat a lonely man, needing company? -
This is like comparing Mathematics with Science.Originally posted by renorenal:To prove your point... hahaah I'm sure you guys have heard of the joke anywayz particularly to skyfoo...
There was this professor who never believed in God and told the class that if God is here, why won't HE show himself and why won't HE do something miraculous? If there is really a God, he told his class, then HE can take his life right now in 10 seconds or make a mircale...
10 seconds passed by...
See, HE still havent, and I am very much alive, so there is NO GOD!! We don't see HIM!!
Having faith is bullsh.it, coz he is not scientifically proven, and still, afterall I cant see HIM...
A girl from the end of the class raised her hand to ask a question.
The professor allowed the girl to do so...
And she asked, professor, do you believe that you have a brain in your head?
Professor: YES why not
Girl: have you seen it beforE?
Professor: No
Girl: Then how do you know its there?
Professor: I know coz I believe its there
Girl: Are you sure sir? Do you have faith it is there?
Professor: Yes I do! Why do you ask silly questions
Girl: Well sir, you mentioned that without seeing it, you can't prove it that it is there and furthermore you don't believe in faith, hence I believe sir, that you don't have a brain...
Professor: Wat the........ (speechless)
Arg 1. 1+1 = 2 is always true.
Arg 2. Distance of Earth from the Moon is relatively near the estimation but not true.
God's existance comes in Arg 2, aka belief.
Man's brain comes in Arg 1, aka fact.
Fact vs Belief, which do you buy? -
And the book was written by men.Originally posted by bluewinged:it is said in the bible that we shldnt test God
Said by the book written by men that the men were chosen by God. Did you know the men to know them when they mentioned they were chosen by God?
Man are imperfect, as the bible stated... what else can I say of the men that wrote the book..
You sure so many books compiled in a bible, written by so many men of God = accurate? -
Destiny is a lie set to cheat people on why they lived lousy lives.Originally posted by OH-FF:I'm asking that to look for God's "perfect" creation, look into yourself, and also what you know is true.
The truth is Faith. And there are such things that exists that defines ourselves not anger , but there are things that cannot be proven until the end. Things like love, destiny, life.
Love is a natural instinct build by mother earth to cherish what little we are given.
Life is given by mother earth, returned when lost.
God is a set of lies, albeit crafted wisely by wisemen, to give answers to irritating people. -
Perfect is a condition where all things are only good and good.Originally posted by surfer188:Don't be blind by anger. Anger is one of those bad quilities mention in Bible. You still can accept that God created "Perfect man that can be tempted to disobey God."
So does it means, Humans are "Perfect" but under some conditions still there is possibilities that "Perfect" humans can do non-perfect things?
I can accept that you are a "Perfect" Human but sometimes do not know how to respect & try to understand other's way of thinking & living while still showing anger that was mention in Bible??
Otherwise, it's not really that you know.
The word would have lost its meaning, killed by a book called bible and we will have children telling us perfect is not complete.